December 2017 babies club

shesty

Anne_cordelia wrote: »

Slight exaggeration there. 5/6/7 bottles a night? That would be practically every hour.

Also worth noting that babies should be fed on demand regardless of breast or bottle and it’s not recommended to night wean before 12 months (baby may wean themselves though)

Actually not an exaggeration at all.I do know several couples who at the height of it were making up to 7 bottles of milk a night for toddlers, who were in the habit of repeatedly waking, and the only way they would go back to sleep was a full bottle. These were kids who were in the 15 mths to 2 year age bracket.
I'm not sure about the not recommended to night wean before 12 months bit....my kids certainly wake alright but that doesn't mean I automatically assume they want food, nor do I leave them screaming or crying.I would do a dream feed up to about 6 months as I said, and be happy enough then that they were ok til waking at 6am or so.If they wake in between, I just go in and out til they resettle.Hell (for me), but worked so far, they tend to resettle within an hour. But I appreciate everyone does it differently, this just happens to work for us.

Milly33

Anne_cordelia wrote: »

Eh what now? It’s not force feeding. It’s feeding on demand i.e. when the baby wants it so trust their digestive system knows what’s it’s doing.

ohh you sound very cranky.. Think tis time to leave this thread..

Pocos

lashes34 wrote: »

My girl has improved massively thanks to Lucy Wolfes book. She slept last night 2110 til 0745!

Hi lashes

How old is your LO? I got that book but kinda felt she was only dealing with babies over the 6 month mark so I haven’t read it fully!

What have you done differently that has made such a dramatic change??

donkey10

Lately Ive been finding my little boy (just gone 3 months) doing a lot of spewing. I combination feed him - one bottle at lunch and around 9pm (both 9 ounce bottles) and BF in between.

He also doesnt seem to be taking the full bottles and pushes them away.
Could he be suffering from reflux?

He was christened saturday and had his first 9 hour sleeps sat night and last night in a long time. Hes also making much louder gurgling noises since then.

Milly33

I think the spewing is just another thing.. herself was the same about 2 weeks of a big spew after her bottle, the back to almost nothing and now at 4 weeks tis this kinda watery spew.. We met another lady and her boy was 2 days older than herself and his spew was the same haha I was so excited to see it, just to know its normal.. Gave herself her first bit of baby rice yesterday she loved it must go ice cube tray shopping now for purees

justwhatithink

donkey10 wrote: »

Lately Ive been finding my little boy (just gone 3 months) doing a lot of spewing. I combination feed him - one bottle at lunch and around 9pm (both 9 ounce bottles) and BF in between.

He also doesnt seem to be taking the full bottles and pushes them away.
Could he be suffering from reflux?

He was christened saturday and had his first 9 hour sleeps sat night and last night in a long time. Hes also making much louder gurgling noises since then.

Donkey my fella was never spewy either, you would have barely needed a bib for him. Then around 2.5mths he started getting spewy, puke up a bottle here & there and then pushing away the bottle getting distressed, arching back, red faced and crying. A lot of reflux signs there so he is being treated for silent reflux (I showed a video to the GP and was very clear about how things had changed, symptoms etc). But I think they also can go through phases where they are less hungry. An Osteopath specialising in babies told me they need to learn to self regulate their feeding, sleeping etc so I’ve learned to relax about the feeding in that I don’t get so stressed now if he’s pushing the bottle away. I still try keep his volumes up and a regular ‘schedule’ but maybe give him a longer break during the bottle, work harder at winding (there’s always more with him!) or just trust he’ll take a bit more at the next feed if he takes a bit less at the last one. It’s since this started that his sleep deteriorated too though and after two great nights on the weekend we’re back to frequent waking, can’t figure out what we did differently Fri & Sat other than his day time naps were poorer so maybe he was more tired and the weather was hotter :-0. It’s a mystery, maybe I should keep him up all day anymore (joke!)!

justwhatithink

Milly33 wrote: »

I think the spewing is just another thing.. herself was the same about 2 weeks of a big spew after her bottle, the back to almost nothing and now at 4 weeks tis this kinda watery spew.. We met another lady and her boy was 2 days older than herself and his spew was the same haha I was so excited to see it, just to know its normal.. Gave herself her first bit of baby rice yesterday she loved it must go ice cube tray shopping now for purees

Milly when you say watery do you mean in colour or consistency? We’ve had a few spews that we’re mostly clear but a bit on the thick mucusy side, was a bit concerned about mucusy consistency.

Milly33

Both I suppose, for about a week (along with lots of dribbles) it was the consistency - gloopie and the colour of water. Now it is more watery and has some bits of milk in it.. I think when they start getting more salvia in their mouths that's when more things change hence the more watery texture now..

Anne_cordelia

Milly33 wrote: »

ohh you sound very cranky.. Think tis time to leave this thread..

I’m sorry but what you are saying is rubbish.

Milly33

They more I think about it the more I am sure you are my hubbie on here just to make me fight with the internet . Just back from the 4 month vaccines and she was as good as gold..

donkey10

justwhatithink wrote: »

donkey10 wrote: »

Lately Ive been finding my little boy (just gone 3 months) doing a lot of spewing. I combination feed him - one bottle at lunch and around 9pm (both 9 ounce bottles) and BF in between.

He also doesnt seem to be taking the full bottles and pushes them away.
Could he be suffering from reflux?

He was christened saturday and had his first 9 hour sleeps sat night and last night in a long time. Hes also making much louder gurgling noises since then.

Donkey my fella was never spewy either, you would have barely needed a bib for him. Then around 2.5mths he started getting spewy, puke up a bottle here & there and then pushing away the bottle getting distressed, arching back, red faced and crying. A lot of reflux signs there so he is being treated for silent reflux (I showed a video to the GP and was very clear about how things had changed, symptoms etc). But I think they also can go through phases where they are less hungry. An Osteopath specialising in babies told me they need to learn to self regulate their feeding, sleeping etc so I’ve learned to relax about the feeding in that I don’t get so stressed now if he’s pushing the bottle away. I still try keep his volumes up and a regular ‘schedule’ but maybe give him a longer break during the bottle, work harder at winding (there’s always more with him!) or just trust he’ll take a bit more at the next feed if he takes a bit less at the last one. It’s since this started that his sleep deteriorated too though and after two great nights on the weekend we’re back to frequent waking, can’t figure out what we did differently Fri & Sat other than his day time naps were poorer so maybe he was more tired and the weather was hotter :-0. It’s a mystery, maybe I should keep him up all day anymore (joke!)!

Thats interesting to know. It seems to be the exact same happening here. I suppose its all about them finding themselves.
I was thinkin it was silent reflux obvioisly its not unusual to develop later. I wonder how long will that last

justwhatithink

Milly33 wrote: »

Both I suppose, for about a week (along with lots of dribbles) it was the consistency - gloopie and the colour of water. Now it is more watery and has some bits of milk in it.. I think when they start getting more salvia in their mouths that's when more things change hence the more watery texture now..

Yes sounds familiar, we’ve had the same, good to hear it’s normal, thanks. We’re flat out with the dribbles and drool and fingers in mouth and biting on everything...gonna be a long toothy year :-0

justwhatithink

donkey10 wrote: »

Thats interesting to know. It seems to be the exact same happening here. I suppose its all about them finding themselves.
I was thinkin it was silent reflux obvioisly its not unusual to develop later. I wonder how long will that last

I’m not sure. He’ll be due his next jabs in a few weeks and I’m going to review possibly taking him off the medication then. I thought it unusual to develop it later too but the PHN said it’s not (even though the first GP I saw said no way could it be reflux or could he get it so late, but my old GP reckoned it was silent reflux and prescribed the medication). Tummy time is really important supposedly to help with it, stronger core helps his digestion, pushing out wind etc.

donkey10

Milly33 wrote: »

I think the spewing is just another thing.. herself was the same about 2 weeks of a big spew after her bottle, the back to almost nothing and now at 4 weeks tis this kinda watery spew.. We met another lady and her boy was 2 days older than herself and his spew was the same haha I was so excited to see it, just to know its normal.. Gave herself her first bit of baby rice yesterday she loved it must go ice cube tray shopping now for purees

Good to know! I suppose its all such a learning process !
What age is she again? Thats great she loved it! Itl be fun trying all the foods now 😊

donkey10

justwhatithink wrote: »

donkey10 wrote: »

Thats interesting to know. It seems to be the exact same happening here. I suppose its all about them finding themselves.
I was thinkin it was silent reflux obvioisly its not unusual to develop later. I wonder how long will that last

I’m not sure. He’ll be due his next jabs in a few weeks and I’m going to review possibly taking him off the medication then. I thought it unusual to develop it later too but the PHN said it’s not (even though the first GP I saw said no way could it be reflux or could he get it so late, but my old GP reckoned it was silent reflux and prescribed the medication). Tummy time is really important supposedly to help with it, stronger core helps his digestion, pushing out wind etc.

Will have to get him doing more of the Tummy Time so!!

Milly33

It must be it is amazing when you think that it is all firsts of everything for them...

The tummy time thing sounds like a good idea too.. Herself hated it and would always scream and I was thinking that maybe it wasn't that important (kinda just let her do it when she wanted) all of a sudden then she loved it, and was holding her head up and the front and then PHN was happy too and explained how it helps them control the upper body and that and build muscles that over movements don't.. She loves it more when she is either just in her nappy or free.. Think tis easier for them to get a grip rather than having slippy clothing..

She is just gone the 4 months (2 days over it) but mad looking for the food she had some more rice this evening and loved it so going to keep just rice for two more days and then try a little apple puree with it and some carrot.. All fun times ahead...

donkey10

Milly33 wrote: »

It must be it is amazing when you think that it is all firsts of everything for them...

The tummy time thing sounds like a good idea too.. Herself hated it and would always scream and I was thinking that maybe it wasn't that important (kinda just let her do it when she wanted) all of a sudden then she loved it, and was holding her head up and the front and then PHN was happy too and explained how it helps them control the upper body and that and build muscles that over movements don't.. She loves it more when she is either just in her nappy or free.. Think tis easier for them to get a grip rather than having slippy clothing..

She is just gone the 4 months (2 days over it) but mad looking for the food she had some more rice this evening and loved it so going to keep just rice for two more days and then try a little apple puree with it and some carrot.. All fun times ahead...

How do you know when to start solids?
I had my little lads 3 months development with the PHN today. She was advising about startin to wean only at 6 months. I would be hoping to start around the 4 to 5 month mark as i probably will be heading back to work when he is 7 months so i want to have a good run at it before i go back.

Milly33

The PHN said to me the guideline was not before 4months and no later than 6months.. Then from other bits and bobs they say when they aren't as satisfied with the bottles anymore then it is time, or when they start paying more attention to you eating.. Hard again but id say if you think they are ready after the 4 month guideline then go for it.. All the bits and pieces I have read kinda say if they aren't ready then they wont take the food, so tis a bit of sure give it a go and if it works it works...

Herself has been really interested in us eating and would be drooling looking at you for the last 2-3 weeks so said feck it wed try her..

Made the first purees tonight, lovely apple tried carrot but me thinks I lost patience waiting for it to cook more and made it too runny but sure twill do for the first week..
Back to work great stuff it will be nice to get back I am sure and wont be long coming about

bee06

donkey10 wrote: »

How do you know when to start solids?
I had my little lads 3 months development with the PHN today. She was advising about startin to wean only at 6 months. I would be hoping to start around the 4 to 5 month mark as i probably will be heading back to work when he is 7 months so i want to have a good run at it before i go back.

Donkey, for BF babies the WHO guideline is 6 months. It’s 4 months at the earliest for formula fed babies because they can max out on formula (I don’t really know the ins and outs of it).

donkey10

bee06 wrote: »

donkey10 wrote: »

How do you know when to start solids?
I had my little lads 3 months development with the PHN today. She was advising about startin to wean only at 6 months. I would be hoping to start around the 4 to 5 month mark as i probably will be heading back to work when he is 7 months so i want to have a good run at it before i go back.

Donkey, for BF babies the WHO guideline is 6 months. It’s 4 months at the earliest for formula fed babies because they can max out on formula (I don’t really know the ins and outs of it).

That makes sense so why she said that ! Strange the way both are different

Pocos

I was advised the same as Bee breast fed are fine until 6 months! I’ve read on the internet (so no idea if it’s true) that recently people are giving babies food too soon and their kidneys can’t process it!! So not too try too soon but I really don’t know!

I’m EBF at the moment so I plan on waiting till at least 5.5 months if not 6 months! But if baby seems to need more ill start earlier!

Also heard food up to a year is only for fun, just to get them used to eating! All their nutrients will still mainly come from the bottle or breast!

bee06

Pocos wrote: »

I was advised the same as Bee breast fed are fine until 6 months! I’ve read on the internet (so no idea if it’s true) that recently people are giving babies food too soon and their kidneys can’t process it!! So not too try too soon but I really don’t know!

I’m EBF at the moment so I plan on waiting till at least 5.5 months if not 6 months! But if baby seems to need more ill start earlier!

Also heard food up to a year is only for fun, just to get them used to eating! All their nutrients will still mainly come from the bottle or breast!

Yeah, I heard that their digestive systems were too immature. I’ll be waiting until 6 months. I’m booking in for a weaning course in a few weeks as well to get more info.

shesty

I'd hold off til minimum 20 weeks, as much because they are not that steady at holding their heads up by then, as anything else.Definitely not before 17 weeks, their system isn't mature enough.Their nutrition is all from milk for the first year, so if there are days where they aren't mad about eating just get plenty of milk (formula/BF) in and they will be just fine.

If you can hold them off til 24 weeks then well and good, but my pair wouldn't have lasted that long :-), particularly no.2, she would have grabbed the spoon from us!!

Ice cube trays are a nice idea but you are actually better to just go straight for small tubs first off, and only fill them with a small amount, because you will have to get them within a couple of weeks or so anyway.Also you will use the pots for months whereas the ice cube trays will only do for a couple of weeks really.(unless you are a big drinker :-) )Tesco do loads of little pots that are great, or Clevamama if you want to spend a wee bit more.

Milly33

All the rules and regs again... Does it get annoying to anyone else (not in a smart way now) that we are constantly being told what to do, just interested...

Very good idea shesty, was hoping to get some glass freezer containers (safe the enviro and all that).. I think they say to freeze in the cubes and then pop into a bigger container... Gave herself the apple there and first she was like mmm but after the tis a no I think and I thought Apple would be a winner..
Bless called it too soon poor mite was unsettled all night, gave her a last dose of calpol at 12 and at around 5.30 the fever had hit. She was boiling so tired this morning.. First marks on her legs too (she didn't have these the last time)..

bee06

Milly33 wrote: »

All the rules and regs again... Does it get annoying to anyone else (not in a smart way now) that we are constantly being told what to do, just interested...

If there is scientific evidence to back up the guidelines then no. I would see it the same as seeing a bottle of Calpol with 2 months and up on it. I’m not going to give it to a 1 month old since research says it’s not the right thing to do.

justwhatithink

I love rules and regs :-0. I like to be told (or preferably shown) how to do things right and I’ll just do it. But the inconsistency in the ‘rules & regs’ or sheer spectrum of ‘experts’ and advice out there, even from one PHN to the next, is what drives me mad.
My PHNs are really ‘enthusiastic’ for me to start him on baby rice at 17 weeks (this Friday) but my gut tells me wait a while especially since he’s had the bit of reflux, I want to give his system a chance to develop a bit more. But he is watching us every time we eat, watching our hands up and down from plates to our mouths, but that might just be him being nosey.

bee06

You’re spot on about the inconsistency actually. It’s ridiculous that different PHN’s and GP’s give different advice and I can understand then why people may think that the rules and regs are just rubbish.

I do think it’s important to trust your instinct as well if you think he’s not ready. You can’t do him any harm by waiting another few weeks. Milk/formula is giving him everything he needs anyway.

On the watching while eating my little boy has been doing that since he was about 2 months. He’s a noisy little boy! In a Facebook group I’m in someone explained why that shouldn’t be used as the only sign of being ready for solids by saying babies like playing with car keys too but that doesn’t mean you’d let them drive the car. I though it was a pretty funny way to explain it!

shesty

Milly33 wrote: »

All the rules and regs again... Does it get annoying to anyone else (not in a smart way now) that we are constantly being told what to do, just interested....

No, coz what you will realise in 6+ months is that this is the ONLY part with rules and regs, and after about 12 months....you are on your own!!!!This is the easy bit!! X ml. of milk a day, naps every X hours, how to introduce solids bit by bit etc.Get to 20 mths or so, and they suddenly only sleep one 30 min nap in a day despite being catatonic with tiredness, take a bizarre refusal to food they had previously liked, and develop an irrational hatred of other people handling their toys.....there are no rules for that stuff, you are on your own figuring it out!!!!!!Working full time and trying to figure out wtf to feed a crabby 2 year old for tea every evening, that is in some way nutritious and that they might actually eat, and doesn't result in them having a total of 6 yoghurts and a load of white bread over the course of every day ..... there are no rule books for that, it's all on you :-)
Of course the other thing to remember is that I am saying things based on experience of two kids, and having made all (well, ok, a lot) of the mistakes already too.....nothing like experience as a teacher when it comes to childrearing, and yet, every child is still different.I have no clue what my (imminent) third baby will turn out like or what challenges they will bring, but I do know the first six months are in general terms more straightforward in a way than the ensuing toddler/threenager years!

Milly33

AH I agree with scientific fact ete but like that sometimes you feel you just want to go with your gut, or because this is proven to work doesn't mean it works for everyone.. But just because it worked for 3 out of 4 if you catch my drift.. And the inconstancy of it all as what you say justwhatithink...

mirrorwall14

justwhatithink wrote: »

I love rules and regs :-0. I like to be told (or preferably shown) how to do things right and I’ll just do it. But the inconsistency in the ‘rules & regs’ or sheer spectrum of ‘experts’ and advice out there, even from one PHN to the next, is what drives me mad.
My PHNs are really ‘enthusiastic’ for me to start him on baby rice at 17 weeks (this Friday) but my gut tells me wait a while especially since he’s had the bit of reflux, I want to give his system a chance to develop a bit more. But he is watching us every time we eat, watching our hands up and down from plates to our mouths, but that might just be him being nosey.

justwhatIthink, just popping in to say my first had reflux. My doctors advice was try the purées (I went with individual homemade fruit/veg) at 4 months and it would either work or make it worse. In our case it helped so we kept going and switched to large BLW when he was closer to six months