Largest Non-Nuclear Bomb in world dropped on Afghanistan

Yourself isit

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Ok but obama never ordered it's use did he ? No he didn't. I find it hilarious that trump supporters are still trying to bring all the mess ups and all trumps decisions back to obama, and Hillary Clinton.

People who criticise a war criminal like Obama don't necessarily support the war criminal Trump. Particularly Trump in April 17 who is basically the antithesis of the guy who campaigned.

Itssoeasy

bangkok wrote: »

obama ran a ****ing torture camp in Guantanamo Bay ffs holding prisoners that never went to trial!!!!

Okay. What has that got to do with what TRUMP did today or recently ? Nothing is the answer. Also bush was president when people were put in gitmo after 9/11.

jamesbere

Digital Solitude wrote: »

Largest non-nuclear bomb in the world, but classified as a small nuke apparently

Right I've looked at this a few times but it still doesn't make sense

1 mile you get knocked over
1.7 you get killed
2 miles your deaf

So the closer to the explosion you are the better off you'll be

Yourself isit

Widdershins wrote: »

Yep. As targets go that one makes sense. Riddled with murderous scum. How many would they have gone on to brutalise and kill if the bomb hadn't been dropped.

What, all of them? All the civilians in that region?

Itssoeasy

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

I must be an evil bastard as my initial reaction was "wow cool" rather than "won't anyone think of the children".

It's probably a desensitisation to the stuff happening.

Yourself isit

If there are any children killed here will we see their pictures. If not, why not?

Widdershins

Yourself isit wrote: »

What, all of them? All the civilians in that region?

Which part of my comment are you asking me about?

bangkok

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Okay. What has that got to do with what TRUMP did today or recently ? Nothing is the answer. Also bush was president when people were put in gitmo after 9/11.

it is a military operation, bombing going on the whole time, just the fact it was the biggest they used it makes the news

Depp

Billy86 wrote: »

Trump is refusing to decline if he signed off on it, ran on a campaign of "bombing the sh*t" out of the middle east, and is reported to be considering sending more troops to Iraq. There is absolutely no way he was not made aware of the first denotation of the biggest non nuclear bomb in the history of the world prior to it happening, but there is plenty of reason to believe he pushed for and/or approved it.

As its an active warzone there would have been no presidential approval necessary so the likelihood is he had no hand act nor part in its use. He probably knew about it but to jump to the conclusion he pushed for it is wrong. thos decisions are made by guys with a hell of a lot more tactical knowledge than trump. the scapegoating is ridiculous

SEPT 23 1989

Would love to see the look on their little faces when that thing appeared out if the sky

Billy86

bangkok wrote: »

obama ran a ****ing torture camp in Guantanamo Bay ffs holding prisoners that never went to trial!!!!

You mean the same one that went from 245 prisoners down to 41 under Obama despite opposition this from both his own party and the Republicans? Yeah, it's still open. Trump owns that one now - let's see if numbers go up or down.

Pkiernan

Funny how the lefties never bring up Clinton bombing of baby food factories or Obamas never ending oppression through round the clock drone strikes...
But they all want to chime in when Trump bombs a cave...

wp_rathead

Feck:

The worst part about a shockwave is that it hits you all over, thereby causing trauma on your entire body simultaneously. This alone generates an overload of the nervous system that may be too much to recover from. If that wasn't bad enough, the impact travels in waves through your body, and if powerful enough, will pulverize bones, rupture blood vessels, and even liquefy organs as it passes. All that energy has to go somewhere, so it is absorbed by tissues and bone.

padd b1975

GavRedKing wrote: »

You cant bate a bit of faux outrage.

This wasnt targeted at a city or suburb but a cave network in the mountains.

You rarely hear lefties condemning actual terrorism, only the reaction to it.

Widdershins

Yourself isit wrote: »

If there are any children killed here will we see their pictures. If not, why not?

Hopefully the US succeeded in their goal to avoid civilian casualties, unlike ISIS when they first took control of the area where the caves that were just bombed,are located. Did you see pictures of what happened when they started their murderous antics in Achin? ''Daesh guerrillas attracted global attention when they launched their violent activities in Achin for the first time in April, 2015. Martyring tribal elders, beheading people on the charge of having links with the Taliban and capturing hundreds of individuals, Daesh hogged the headlines last year.''

Billy86

Depp wrote: »

As its an active warzone there would have been no presidential approval necessary so the likelihood is he had no hand act nor part in its use. He probably knew about it but to jump to the conclusion he pushed for it is wrong.

I'm sorry but if you're trying to tell me they decided to detonate the biggest non nuclear bomb in the history of the world, that has been in existence for 14 years but never once used because it was seen to be used as a deterrent, without notifying the Commander in Chief beforehand, you need to pull the other one.

You might as well claim it's a mere coincidence that drone strikes are up by more than 400% since he took office, too.

Or that he didn't campaign on the idea of "bombing the sh*t" out of this part of the world.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Fatima Uptight Hairpin wrote: »

A lot of love for ISIS around here.

Not agreeing with collateral damage does not equate to love for ISIS Just putting that out there.

Does anybody even know if there were any civilians in the area, any figures on casualties? How effective was the attack? Or is everything here just speculation?

Yourself isit

Widdershins wrote: »

Which part of my comment are you asking me about?

The they in

How many would they have gone on to brutalise and kill if the bomb hadn't been dropped

Billy86

Pkiernan wrote: »

Funny how the lefties never bring up Clinton bombing of baby food factories or Obamas never ending oppression through round the clock drone strikes...
But they all want to chime in when Trump bombs a cave...

One of these is president, the other is not. One of these is relevant to this bombing, the other is not. That deflection chestnut stopped being useful for Trump supporters and apologists months ago, sorry.

The real question is, once the attention diverts back to his dodgy ties with Russia a week or two from now, what will the next step be?

Depp

Billy86 wrote: »

I'm sorry but if you're trying to tell me they decided to detonate the biggest non nuclear bomb in the history of the world, that has been in existence for 14 years but never once used because it was seen to be used as a deterrent, without notifying the Commander in Chief beforehand, you need to pull the other one.

You might as well claim it's a mere coincidence that drone strikes are up by more than 400% since he took office, too.

Or that he didn't campaign on the idea of "bombing the sh*t" out of this part of the world.

not saying he wasnt notified. in fact if youll read my post again i speculated he probably was notified. You're trying to push a narrative that hes flicking through catalogs deciding what to drop next and its a falsehood.

MysticMonk

padd b1975 wrote: »

You rarely hear lefties condemning actual terrorism, only the reaction to it.

Ergo what does that make them?

Pro terrorism and anti western

Widdershins

Yourself isit wrote: »

The they in

How many would they have gone on to brutalise and kill if the bomb hadn't been dropped

ISIS and the other jihadists named in the article.

Yourself isit

Widdershins wrote: »

Hopefully the US succeeded in their goal to avoid civilian casualties, unlike ISIS when they first took control of the area where the caves that were just bombed,are located. Did you see pictures of what happened when they started their murderous antics in Achin? ''Daesh guerrillas attracted global attention when they launched their violent activities in Achin for the first time in April, 2015. Martyring tribal elders, beheading people on the charge of having links with the Taliban and capturing hundreds of individuals, Daesh hogged the headlines last year.''

Yeah I don't like isis either. Although the US seem OK with them in Syria. However I don't think that bombs of this magnitude can differentiate between civilians and isis

Yourself isit

Depp wrote: »

not saying he wasnt notified. in fact if youll read my post again i speculated he probably was notified. You're trying to push a narrative that hes flicking through catalogs deciding what to drop next and its a falsehood.

Billy86s pseudo morality on American imperialism is entirely dependent on who is in office.

Yourself isit

Isn't this kind of bomb no different - except in magnitude - to barrel bombs? Effectively unguided munitions. If assad drops barrel bombs on areas riddled with Al nusra, Al Queda, or isis he's accuses of bombing his own people, the US is heroic when it does it.

Does anyone have estimates of how many people were killed? Innocent civilians.

People should now stop complaining about refugees leaving their countries. You stay and America bombs the f*ck out of your country!

MysticMonk

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Does anyone have estimates of how many people were killed? Innocent civilians.

People should now stop complaining about refugees leaving their countries. You stay and America bombs the f*ck out of your country!

Why would innocent civilians be hanging out in a Daesh cave complex?

BorneTobyWilde

It was dropped in an isis area. If you were there you were there by choice.

padd b1975

MysticMonk wrote: »

Ergo what does that make them?

Pro terrorism and anti western

Pretty much.

Russia gets a pass as well usually.

Billy86

Depp wrote: »

not saying he wasnt notified. in fact if youll read my post again i speculated he probably was notified. You're trying to push a narrative that hes flicking through catalogs deciding what to drop next and its a falsehood.

There is no falsehood that he ran on "bombing the sh*t" out of the middle east, or on the fact that drone strikes have gone up by more than 400% since he took office, these are facts. Now while I doubt he sought out the specific bomb because the guy isn't exactly educated on much of any of the aspects of his job, my reckoning is that someone high up in the army suggested it knowing how eager he is for any possible distractions in recent weeks, and he more than happily jumped on the opportunity having seen the 'success' of the Syrian attack on that front.

The bomb has been around for 14 years, yet gets set off in Trump's first 100 days which says all it needs to say. Still, it should keep the Russia talk off his back over Easter weekend, and that's all Trump cares about - Trump.

BorneTobyWilde

I'd be more worried about the animals it killed other than Isis

PREG1967

MysticMonk wrote: »

Daesh cave complex?

is that like the Aillwee cave complex, large and sprawling? surely sheep farmers would be around

MysticMonk

padd b1975 wrote: »

Pretty much.

Russia gets a pass as well usually.

The left yearns to be enslaved by communism or Islam.
Liberalism is a mental disorder, usually brought on by ignorance born of privilege

MysticMonk

PREG1967 wrote: »

is that like the Aillwee cave complex, large and sprawling? surely sheep farmers would be around

Unless it's the local Spring fair sheep farmers would be spread out over miles.


And I'm sorry to say,a few dead farmers is a small price to pay for the destruction of a Daesh operation.

Remember the people killed in Westminster? Were thier killers concerned with fair play? What about the Egyptian church bombers?


The Shepard can get ta feck as far as I'm concerned

Beyondgone

MysticMonk wrote: »

Unless it's the local Spring fair sheep farmers would be spread out over miles.


And I'm sorry to say,a few dead farmers is a small price to pay for the destruction of a Daesh operation.

Remember the people killed in Westminster? Were thier killers concerned with fair play? What about the Egyptian church bombers?


The Shepard can get ta feck as far as I'm concerned

The "shepard" probably was thinking about his evening tea tho. Incinerating him won't add anything to the sum of human achievements. It's like bombing the fcuk out of a wedding because 1 lad playing in the band is a naughty boy. I'm not a fan of indiscriminate killing. I don't hugely care what other "bigger picture" factors come into play.

If a lad from ISIS parks outside my house, checking his phone for snapchat messages and Trumpy slaps a hellfire into his Suzuki, causing me to become "collateral damage", I'm gonna be quite p1ssed off, it has to be said. I'm guessing the Shepherd probably feels the same. Or felt. Before some daft cnut with warped moral inclinations incinerated him.

Gatling

Yourself isit wrote: »

Isn't this kind of bomb no different - except in magnitude - to barrel bombs? Effectively unguided munitions. If assad drops barrel bombs on.

His own civilian population and no there not the same.

Will I Am Not

Scarlet Chubby Hillbilly wrote: »

Not agreeing with collateral damage does not equate to love for ISIS

There was collateral damage? How many innocents were killed?

jacksie66

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MysticMonk

MysticMonk wrote: »

Why would innocent civilians be hanging out in a Daesh cave complex?

But the blast had a mile radius. I don't know the area of the bomb, but are there no civilians within a mile radius of it?

If it were just ISIS, then f*ck them and I hope they died slowly.

Beyondgone

Deleted User wrote: »

But the blast had a mile radius. I don't know the area of the bomb, but are there no civilians within a mile radius of it?

If it were just ISIS, then f*ck them and I hope they died slowly.

It was a precision strike. Pin point accurate. No innocents were harmed in the making of this $300,000,000.00 event. Honest. Well honestish.

Gatling

America​ used smaller Daisy cutters in Vietnam bombs and russia dropped numerous of their version in Grozny and other Chechnya cities ,

MysticMonk

Beyondgone wrote: »

The "shepard" probably was thinking about his evening tea tho. Incinerating him won't add anything to the sum of human achievements. It's like bombing the fcuk out of a wedding because 1 lad playing in the band is a naughty boy. I'm not a fan of indiscriminate killing. I don't hugely care what other "bigger picture" factors come into play.

If a lad from ISIS parks outside my house, checking his phone for snapchat messages and Trumpy slaps a hellfire into his Suzuki, causing me to become "collateral damage", I'm gonna be quite p1ssed off, it has to be said. I'm guessing the Shepherd probably feels the same. Or felt. Before some daft cnut with warped moral inclinations incinerated him.

Can't make an omelette without breaking eggs.

As for "warped moral inclinations" you may want to read up on the Daesh manifesto.

You've a lot more to worry about than a few shepards

MysticMonk

Gatling wrote: »

America​ used smaller Daisy cutters in Vietnam bombs and russia dropped numerous of their version in Grozny and other Chechnya cities ,

They were used a lot in iraq. They were basically pallet bombs used to smash bunker complexes .

There were 6 tonne bombs dropped by both sides in ww2 so the idea of heavy ordinance to smash hard targets is not new

Systemsdarken

The only problem I have with this is Trump: I think he's quite capable of using it to feed his ego. If it was s military necessity and killed large numbers of IS...

kona

Digital Solitude wrote: »

Its considered a nuclear weapon, a small one.

Eh it's not a nuclear weapon. It doesn't have the components for a nuclear weapons.

It's a massive bomb.

Gatling

MysticMonk wrote: »

They were used a lot in iraq. They were basically pallet bombs used to smash bunker complexes .

Not really they don't use them to smash bunkers or bunker complexes due to their nature , they for the most part were used to clear large mine fields and as psychological effects

PREG1967

kona wrote: »

Eh it's not a nuclear weapon. It doesn't have the components for a nuclear weapons.

It's a massive bomb.

da bomb

MysticMonk

Gatling wrote: »

Not really they don't use them to smash bunkers or bunker complexes due to their nature ,

Ah,i suppose you'd need something with more penetrative power to get through the roof?
But i do remember hearing about these in Iraq,what is their proper role?

PREG1967

MysticMonk wrote: »

Ah,i suppose you'd need something with more penetrative power to get through the roof?
But i do remember hearing about these in Iraq,what is their proper role?

psychological

Gatling

MysticMonk wrote: »

Ah,i suppose you'd need something with more penetrative power to get through the roof?
But i do remember hearing about these in Iraq,what is their proper role?

Originally designed to clear tress for landing areas in jungles and wooded areas ,
In Iraq they were used to detonate large mine fields and anti personal ,
Also used in the Tora Bora complex in Afghanistan