Could a terror attack happen in Ireland?

average_runner

Dubh Linn wrote: »

Here's a few case studies in perspective here:

Suicide bombers at Croke Park at a GAA match, All-Ireland finals. Would they even be able to gain entry? How many casualties and damage?

Truck down O'Connell Street or Grafton Street, could that happen or be prevented in time?




Gun attack on restaurants or bars, could that be likely and at the same time avoidable?

Truck down temple bar on a sat night

Danzy

dav3 wrote: »

I'd say Dublin. Perhaps Parnell Street, or maybe Talbot Street, or maybe even South Leinster Street, or perhaps all 3?

Outside of Dublin, I don't know, maybe Monaghan town.

I don't think the British Army will be helping this time, fairly certain,kinda certain, its unlikely.

Noddyholder

dav3 wrote: »

I'd say Dublin. Perhaps Parnell Street, or maybe Talbot Street, or maybe even South Leinster Street, or perhaps all 3?

Outside of Dublin, I don't know, maybe Monaghan town.

Why them and why Monaghan ? There are a lot more easier & signifigent targets they could go for , which I wont be putting up here

C Montgomery Gurns II

I have quite an interest in terrorism (really should have joined MI5 or something :pac:), Ireland is the only old EU state that has never had an Islamist attack or an active plot for an attack within our state (possibly along with Portugal, Finland, maybe Norway). I can think of one particular reason our chances of being hit by a lone wolf attack might increase at some stage quite soon, but it would be potentially libelous to state why, so I will just leave it there (I'm sure those of you who take an interest in current affairs can work out what I am on about)

Dubh Linn

What would be the most likely scenario for any of these attacks?

pangbang

Its an inevitability that it will happen here. These terrorist attacks from muslim-based ideologies all have one thing in common....large/increasing muslim populations.

Odds of it happening in Iceland? pretty much nil (though not impossible of course)

Odds in Ireland? Increasing chances along with the increasing population of muslims.

It is as simple as that. A larger population of those people provides the means necessary for radicalisation, the ability to hide in plain sight, the providence of "backup", the closed community with which to obtain information/weapons/materials etc.

On another note, I often see the line used "if you change your life owing to a terrorist attack, or feel fearful then you are letting the terrorists win!"

Nope. If a bunch of your fellow irish people were blown up/run-over/coerced by rape gangs.......doing nothing about it is CRAZY. Not reacting to it is CRAZY. Carrying out your daily life as usual is CRAZY.

If an idiot punched you in the head on the way to work, would you carry on as normal? Would you do it the next day and the next week knowing that hes always at the same spot, ready to punch you again? Knowing that he'll do it to others too? This world is going mad, I tells yeh!

dav3

Danzy wrote: »

I don't think the British Army will be helping this time, fairly certain,kinda certain, its unlikely.

Who said anything about the british army?

I thought the reason for this thread was to whip up as much hysteria as possible over something that may never happen.

tomwaterford

C Montgomery Gurns II wrote: »

I have quite an interest in terrorism (really should have joined MI5 or something :pac:), Ireland is the only old EU state that has never had an Islamist attack or an active plot for an attack within our state (possibly along with Portugal, Finland, maybe Norway). I can think of one particular reason our chances of being hit by a lone wolf attack might increase at some stage quite soon, but it would be potentially libelous to state why, so I will just leave it there (I'm sure those of you who take an interest in current affairs can work out what I am on about)

There was a jihadi cell broken up in waterford before

But admitedly their plot was an attack outside ireland....that Danish cartoonist iirc




Tbh they were so bad at being terrorists it was laughable

Edit:
All lead by an American https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colleen_LaRose

C Montgomery Gurns II

Dubh Linn wrote: »

What would be the most likely scenario for any of these attacks?

Lone wolf knife attack or vehicle attack is the most likely. It would be nearly impossible for an Islamist terrorist to get a hold of AK 47's etc- they don't have many here from their own culture extensively involved in organised crime, and nobody from our own crime fraternity would be stupid enough to sell them the stuff.

With such a low amount of individuals on the radar here it seems unlikely a successful bomb plot could be pulled off.

C Montgomery Gurns II

tomwaterford wrote: »

There was a jihadi cell broken up in waterford before

But admitedly their plot was an attack outside ireland....that Danish cartoonist iirc




Tbh they were so bad at being terrorists it was laughable

Yes I should have clarified, attacks within our state.

There was at least one Dublin resident involved in a NYE 2000 plot in the US.

Danzy

dav3 wrote: »

Who said anything about the british army?

I thought the reason for this thread was to whip up as much hysteria as possible over something that may never happen.

I presumed his reference was to Dublin and Monaghan attacks in 74.

I couldn't see them helping in new attacks.

Dubh Linn

I thought Dublin and Monaghan was in 74?

The Omagh bombing, what are your thoughts on that?

Why haven't they caught the perpetrators yet?

C Montgomery Gurns II

pangbang wrote: »

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On another note, I often see the line used "if you change your life owing to a terrorist attack, or feel fearful then you are letting the terrorists win!"

Nope. If a bunch of your fellow irish people were blown up/run-over/coerced by rape gangs.......doing nothing about it is CRAZY. Not reacting to it is CRAZY. Carrying out your daily life as usual is CRAZY.

If an idiot punched you in the head on the way to work, would you carry on as normal? Would you do it the next day and the next week knowing that hes always at the same spot, ready to punch you again? Knowing that he'll do it to others too? This world is going mad, I tells yeh!

Nail on the head.

London elected a mayor with questionable friends who said that terrorism is a part of every day life in every big city. That doesn't seem to apply to Tokyo, or Seoul, or Budapest. It isn't part of life if you stop harbouring radical clerics on welfare in London Khan you clown.

tomwaterford

C Montgomery Gurns II wrote: »

Yes I should have clarified, attacks within our state.

There was at least one Dublin resident involved in a NYE 2000 plot in the US.

I do recall an interview on prime time around time of them arrests with a supposed jihadi (what Islamist extremists used be known as)...how realistic it was is another question though??



Where he said they found it hard to operate as special branch used give them the same treatment as the dissidents....not even attempt to be covert...follow everywhere,tamper with mobiles connections etc in an effort to keep abreast of their phone numbers

Dubh Linn

What about Omagh?

Noddyholder

Danzy wrote: »

I presumed his reference was to Dublin and Monaghan attacks in 72.

I couldn't see them helping in new attacks.

1974.

The single biggest loss of life related to the troubles & the files are still closed on the case.

https://www.google.es/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiB5dqK06TTAhUGWhoKHW4MB6sQFgglMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FDublin_and_Monaghan_bombings&usg=AFQjCNFB3nQ282oZVcpn7nxF4sFuKKHYyg

gitzy16v

Dubh Linn wrote: »

What about Omagh?

You ask more questions than the guards....
What about Omagh?

Noddyholder

Dubh Linn wrote: »

What about Omagh?

They know who done Omagh & they know who done Dublin & Monaghan,In the Omagh case there is cival lawsuits going ahead against named individules allegedly involved, In the D&M case the files are still closed because of alledged Brittish Government/Army involvement.

Harry Palmr

dudara wrote: »

This might sound a bit facetious, but the IRA (and other such organizations) were, at their peak, a world class terrorist organization with links throughout the global terror network. I don't think those links are dead and gone yet so I think it would be a very daft terrorist group who would consider taking action in Ireland

Ah yes Deadliest Warrior :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyNygA2-XSY

Dubh Linn

Why can't they just nick the Omagh perpetrators, put them behind bars where they belong and bring justice to the 31 innocents?

Barry Badrinath

C Montgomery Gurns II wrote: »

I have quite an interest in terrorism (really should have joined MI5 or something :pac:), Ireland is the only old EU state that has never had an Islamist attack or an active plot for an attack within our state (possibly along with Portugal, Finland, maybe Norway). I can think of one particular reason our chances of being hit by a lone wolf attack might increase at some stage quite soon, but it would be potentially libelous to state why, so I will just leave it there (I'm sure those of you who take an interest in current affairs can work out what I am on about)

I know what you are thinking but I doubt the MB want to avenge IH in Ireland

Widdershins

pangbang wrote: »

Its an inevitability that it will happen here. These terrorist attacks from muslim-based ideologies all have one thing in common....large/increasing muslim populations.

Odds of it happening in Iceland? pretty much nil (though not impossible of course)

Odds in Ireland? Increasing chances along with the increasing population of muslims.

It is as simple as that. A larger population of those people provides the means necessary for radicalisation, the ability to hide in plain sight, the providence of "backup", the closed community with which to obtain information/weapons/materials etc.

On another note, I often see the line used "if you change your life owing to a terrorist attack, or feel fearful then you are letting the terrorists win!"

Nope. If a bunch of your fellow irish people were blown up/run-over/coerced by rape gangs.......doing nothing about it is CRAZY. Not reacting to it is CRAZY. Carrying out your daily life as usual is CRAZY.

If an idiot punched you in the head on the way to work, would you carry on as normal? Would you do it the next day and the next week knowing that hes always at the same spot, ready to punch you again? Knowing that he'll do it to others too? This world is going mad, I tells yeh!

Exactly, Isis aren't the school bullies that lose face if you let on they're not getting to you (As the advice for dealing with bullies goes). People are so naive if they think that's a solution. Meanwhile fanatical beliefs seem to be becoming mainstream and the funding from saudi keeps coming, while the likes of linda sarsour is mainstreaming and glamourising islamism.

dav3

Dubh Linn wrote: »

I thought Dublin and Monaghan was in 74?

The Omagh bombing, what are your thoughts on that?

Why haven't they caught the perpetrators yet?

The perpetrators of the terrorist attacks in Dublin and Monaghan? Very good question.

Omagh is in a different jurisdiction. What would you like us to do?

If you want something more recent. How about a car ploughing through people on one of Dublin's busiest streets?

Or lads bursting into a hotel with AK-47s shooting the place up?

With all these terrorist attacks, we've managed to continue. Life went on.

Dubh Linn

I thought we already had a hotel attack last year, at the Regency?

Do you think that an attack on Ireland is imminent?

And what do you mean by "Omagh is in a different jurisdiction"?

pangbang

dav3 wrote: »

The perpetrators of the terrorist attacks in Dublin and Monaghan? Very good question.

Omagh is in a different jurisdiction. What would you like us to do?

If you want something more recent. How about a car ploughing through people on one of Dublin's busiest streets?

Or lads bursting into a hotel with AK-47s shooting the place up?

With all these terrorist attacks, we've managed to continue. Life went on.

While that's true, I'd like to point out a significant difference. Those problems, like the gangs, are OUR problem. And our gardai are suited to the task, more or less.

Terrorist attacks from non-indigenous people are NOT our problem....so why should we add problems to our country?

Another difference, for the most part, these criminal gangs are killing other criminals. Not exactly urgent on the scale of things. But these muslim ideologies are out to kill ALL of us, men, women and children.

And the Gardaí are NOT equipped to handle these terrorist units. This is most certainly a case where the power to deal with the problem is in the hands of the civilian. Gardaí cant stop these people coming here, the power of the people at large can.

Remember the last time you were asked to vote on immigration of any sort? Yeah....remember that when a vote does come down the line. Demand it.

Harry Palmr

dav3 wrote: »

If you want something more recent. How about a car ploughing through people on one of Dublin's busiest streets?

Or lads bursting into a hotel with AK-47s shooting the place up?

With all these terrorist attacks, we've managed to continue. Life went on.

None of these count apparently as they are the work of ODCs and they're Irish lads.

Noddyholder

Dubh Linn wrote: »

I thought we already had a hotel attack last year, at the Regency?

Do you think that an attack on Ireland is imminent?

And what do you mean by "Omagh is in a different jurisdiction"?

Are you drinking on good Friday Because you have me confused :pac:

dav3

pangbang wrote: »

While that's true, I'd like to point out a significant difference. Those problems, like the gangs, are OUR problem. And our gardai are suited to the task, more or less.

Terrorist attacks from non-indigenous people are NOT our problem....so why should we add problems to our country?

Another difference, for the most part, these criminal gangs are killing other criminals. Not exactly urgent on the scale of things. But these muslim ideologies are out to kill ALL of us, men, women and children.

And the Gardaí are NOT equipped to handle these terrorist units. This is most certainly a case where the power to deal with the problem is in the hands of the civilian. Gardaí cant stop these people coming here, the power of the people at large can.

Remember the last time you were asked to vote on immigration of any sort? Yeah....remember that when a vote does come down the line. Demand it.

For the most part, these criminal gangs are killing other criminals...apart from when they kill innocent civilians. The cheeky scamps. Certainly not terrorists, even if they hire non-nationals to do their killing. I don't know, foreigners coming over here taking our hitman jobs.

I do remember voting for immigration, we had to do it a couple of times.

Dubh Linn

I haven't been drinking today, just explain to me why they can't bring the Omagh perpetrators to justice?

It's quite simple.

Luggnuts

Dubh Linn wrote: »

This is a question that is being asked by many people in Ireland at the moment.

Could a terror attack happen in Ireland? What would happen if there was?

I'm not talking about the IRA or groups from the North here, I'm talking about IS and Islamist terrorism.

After the Westminster attack, Frances Fitzgerald told the Dail that Ireland is not immune from terror attacks.

They have attacked promenades in Nice, theatres, restaurants, supermarkets, offices, airports and museums in Paris, beaches in Tunisia, Christmas markets in Berlin, airports and metros Brussels and Istanbul, Ankara, Stockholm, St. Petersburg and the list goes on. Good Christ, they have even attacked German football team buses now.

So, do you think Ireland could be next?

You have to ask yourself why terrorist attacks occur in the countries that they do. And I'm not talking about the silly "they hate freedom" nonsense. Why would a terrorist attack occur in Ireland?

tomwaterford

Dubh Linn wrote: »

I haven't been drinking today, just explain to me why they can't bring the Omagh perpetrators to justice?

It's quite simple.

Because the gaurds fcuked up the investigation and those that did time were found inocent


The only dna evidence was laughed out of court in the north....


But why hasn't the bomb warning phone call been released? ?

pangbang

dav3 wrote: »

For the most part, these criminal gangs are killing other criminals...apart from when they kill innocent civilians. The cheeky scamps. Certainly not terrorists, even if they hire non-nationals to do their killing. I don't know, foreigners coming over here taking our hitman jobs.

I do remember voting for immigration, we had to do it a couple of times.

You re-worded a sentence, cool.

eeguy

Dubh Linn wrote: »

I thought we already had a hotel attack last year, at the Regency?

Do you think that an attack on Ireland is imminent?

And what do you mean by "Omagh is in a different jurisdiction"?

Terrorist attacks happen all over the world all the time.
Ireland is no different and is no more immune than any other part of the world. It wasn't long ago we had decades of IRA/RUC/IDF activity, Veronica Guerin, all that stuff. It hasn't gone away.

There'll probably be an attack in the next decade from some nutjob who watched a few ISIS videos on youtube, but what of it?
You can't live your life in fear, worrying that you may be caught in the wrong place at the wrong time.

There was a thread on here not long ago about people being afraid to travel to France after the attacks, which is ridiculous, since you've a greater chance being killed on the road on the way to the airport than get caught up in anything like that

Manny89

Drug dealers shooting other drug dealers are not terrorist attacks!

Danzy

eeguy wrote: »

Terrorist attacks happen all over the world all the time.
Ireland is no different and is no more immune than any other part of the world. It wasn't long ago we had decades of IRA/RUC/IDF activity, Veronica Guerin, all that stuff. It hasn't gone away.

There'll probably be an attack in the next decade from some nutjob who watched a few ISIS videos on youtube, but what of it?
You can't live your life in fear, worrying that you may be caught in the wrong place at the wrong time.

There was a thread on here not long ago about people being afraid to travel to France after the attacks, which is ridiculous, since you've a greater chance being killed on the road on the way to the airport than get caught up in anything like that

Your post reminds me of one I saw on another forum, where a man, American I think, described Klan murders of blacks as just part of societal tension in the 60s.

Was that you by any chance?

Dubh Linn

A stabbing attack could also not be prevented, like that British student in Jerusalem today...

Mountainsandh

I don't see any hysteria on this thread.

I'm glad (in a bitter way too) that finally some Irish people seem to realize the threat, react, and maybe now act. We'll see how feasible the last bit is as no one in politics that I know of has had the guts yet to tackle this.

I remember commenting on Charlie Hebdo and later Bataclan, and even Nice, and the burkini debacle on here, it felt like people were so naive on here, so vulnerable.

Because I'm French I guess, even though I don't live there, I had all this experience of the news over there, and the general feel of the place (from trips over), feedback from family... I have family in Paris. I was in France when Nice happened, my uncle and aunt live there, my cousins were visiting with their kids for 14th July... it's easier to "get it" when you're worried about real people.

There was this whole dread going on over there, this realization that anyone was at risk, even little kiddies in buggies, or even that pregnant woman hanging off the window to try and escape the Bataclan, and yet it seemed that Irish people were very supportive, very empathetic, but from a little safe bubble where "it could never happen to us".

People on this thread don't seem hysterical to me, they just seem to have copped on ; the sooner more people do, and some politicians decide to take it on, the less probability something will happen.

Of course we can't prevent all and any attack with certainty, but the lesser the chance the better right ?

Dubh Linn

Here is something that could crack the Omagh case wide open, now correct me if I'm wrong:

That maroon Vauxhall Cavalier. It was stolen from Carrickmacross in Monaghan a few nights before the bombing. Here is a photo:



That car was prepared by a number of RIRA terrorists over the next few days.

Surely the terrorists must have left some DNA trace during the preparation.

Then, there was the drivers on the day of the bombing. They must have left something behind of DNA.

Why couldn't the police have checked the wreckage for DNA evidence?

Now there's a question.

FionnK86

Surprised at the huge gap. I've voted no. Ryanair flights are very cheap to the UK. Bigger terror demonstration would be made in London who have actively taken part in War against Terrorism. I would be embarrassed to be a Jihadi terrorist in Ireland.

If anything an attack in Belfast would be more likely than say Dublin. In fact, i'd wager more money on a disgruntled unionist coming into Dublin and committing a terrorist act.

However, I do believe that Ireland could become a huge base for terrorism because of it's special arrangement with the UK. Terrorists could plan here for an attack in England, with little chance of being caught by the Gardai.

Jihadi Terrorists are achieving their goal it seems, IS is the buzzword. Fact is suicide is one of the biggest contributors to death in Ireland, yet something we ignore. We go for the "sexy" talk topic of terrorism. 4th in the world for suicide among young men, yet we're more concerned about the pissed off teenager who believes in Allah, than our young boys who can't express themselves.

You're letting the Jihadi's win by caring about them, you're worried Ireland is becoming less Irish, look after our boys, not theirs.

Danzy

Wrt Omagh, there are serious questions as to what the RUC Special Branch knew of it, it looks like they knew everything.

I personally think that it was being left go ahead.

Dubh Linn

Yes, but what about that Vauxhall?

Danzy

FionnK86 wrote: »

Surprised at the huge gap. I've voted no. Ryanair flights are very cheap to the UK. Bigger terror demonstration would be made in London who have actively taken part in War against Terrorism. I would be embarrassed to be a Jihadi terrorist in Ireland.

I think a few lads with home made vests running in to the Google HQ for about a 1/3 of the planet would be a much bigger global event than knocking down a few people in London
However, I do believe that Ireland could become a huge base for terrorism because of it's special arrangement with the UK.[B] It is already viewed as the centre for Finance for Al Qaeda and we have one of the highest per capita rates of fighters leaving to fight Jihad.
[/B]
Jihadi Terrorists are achieving their goal it seems, IS is the buzzword. Fact is suicide is one of the biggest contributors to death in Ireland, yet something we ignore. We go for the "sexy" talk topic of terrorism. 4th in the world for suicide among young men, yet we're more concerned about the pissed off teenager who believes in Allah, than our young boys who can't express themselves.


You're letting the Jihadi's win by caring about them, you're worried Ireland is becoming less Irish, look after our boys, not theirs.

A militant faith with views that are opposed to nearly all we are for is an existential threat to our society and Western Europe. Suicide is a problem in Ireland that needs to be addressed, many things can be addressed at once.

.

tomwaterford

Dubh Linn wrote: »

Here is something that could crack the Omagh case wide open, now correct me if I'm wrong:

That maroon Vauxhall Cavalier. It was stolen from Carrickmacross in Monaghan a few nights before the bombing. Here is a photo:



That car was prepared by a number of RIRA terrorists over the next few days.

Surely the terrorists must have left some DNA trace during the preparation.

Then, there was the drivers on the day of the bombing. They must have left something behind of DNA.

Why couldn't the police have checked the wreckage for DNA evidence?

Now there's a question.

The blast destroyed everything of dns in the car 200 pounds of explosives will do that


The only dna found was a bit on a piece of insulating tape,at the site traced back to an electrican




Are you proposing the ruc didn't check for dna evidence


BTW that is one of the most chilling photos of the troubles imo

Dubh Linn

So, the car was a total write-off, you mean they couldn't reconstruct the wreckage to build a bigger picture?

pangbang

FionnK86 wrote: »

Surprised at the huge gap. I've voted no. Ryanair flights are very cheap to the UK. Bigger terror demonstration would be made in London who have actively taken part in War against Terrorism. I would be embarrassed to be a Jihadi terrorist in Ireland.

If anything an attack in Belfast would be more likely than say Dublin. In fact, i'd wager more money on a disgruntled unionist coming into Dublin and committing a terrorist act.

However, I do believe that Ireland could become a huge base for terrorism because of it's special arrangement with the UK. Terrorists could plan here for an attack in England, with little chance of being caught by the Gardai.

Jihadi Terrorists are achieving their goal it seems, IS is the buzzword. Fact is suicide is one of the biggest contributors to death in Ireland, yet something we ignore. We go for the "sexy" talk topic of terrorism. 4th in the world for suicide among young men, yet we're more concerned about the pissed off teenager who believes in Allah, than our young boys who can't express themselves.

You're letting the Jihadi's win by caring about them, you're worried Ireland is becoming less Irish, look after our boys, not theirs.

I absolutely agree with the suicide problem we have here, its nigh time we started doing something active about helping that silent killer.

I absolutely disagree with the bolded in your statement. You can see a post I made above as to why.

gitzy16v

Dubh Linn wrote: »

So, the car was a total write-off, you mean they couldn't reconstruct the wreckage to build a bigger picture?

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/timeline-of-investigations-into-omagh-bombings-1.2555555

Danzy

There wouldn't have been enough DNA on that thing to even find it.

The Volunteers involved would have taken precautions regarding same, not as if there wouldn't have been the knowledge existing among those directing it.

Ultimately there will be no convictions n because it can cause more difficulties for the authorities than not.

tomwaterford

Dubh Linn wrote: »

So, the car was a total write-off, you mean they couldn't reconstruct the wreckage to build a bigger picture?

Basically yes,

It was pretty much vapourised.....much the same way as that big bomb in Afghanistan it sucked the air in and obliterated it

Dubh Linn

So, basically, they haven't got a clue who was in the Vauxhall when it was parked but they know who planned it? And what about this 'car thief', who stole the bloody thing from Carrickmacross? Was he ever caught?

Danzy

What was left of the car could have been picked up by 2 strongish men.

Everything bar the best of steel and parts of the engine block were gone.

Everything within 6 inches of sunlight being vapourized is what happened.