Could a terror attack happen in Ireland?

Widdershins

The Oort Cloud wrote: »

I.S use Ireland as a base, because of the difficulty in deporting them and our lax laws. this is why we will not be affected so much. Britain is a major target and it will get worse there in the coming years unfortunately. The Irish government are really in no state to say we are capable of dealing with a terrorist attack, sure look at the HSE crisis. Then you have too many unarmed gardai with them not going to the attack location because they are unarmed., and have the many thousands of unarmed gardai lately or for decades been in a training situation to deal with a major crisis like a terrorist attack even from just 4/5 Kalashnikov lunatic terrorists. Ye can't just take them down with your batton in a localized crisis.

We are wide open, I mean 'wide open' to an I.S attack. Will it happen though, well probably not seeing that they use Ireland as a base, who would blow their own base up and disrupt the underground network.


Ireland isn't the goldilocks zone of utopia, we all need to be aware of the serious possability of an attack happening. Would you rather have local armed gardai that would be fully willing to take out a few terrorists and saving possibly your family's life, or would you rather keep to the status quo and gardai afraid to interviene and no protection for themselves against persons that have body bombs and serious fire-power. Any sane person without the armoured tools would run the opposite way.

Ive seen FB friends complaining about not feeling safe BECAUSE OF the armed police presence in the UK. They think the Westminster attacker was just being chased by the police unfairly because the police are racist and he accidentally drove over those victims, and didn't really have a knife (god knows how he managed to stab a policeman to death, maybe they think that was made up by the gubbermint)

A Little Pony

Mountainsandh wrote: »

I don't see any hysteria on this thread.

I'm glad (in a bitter way too) that finally some Irish people seem to realize the threat, react, and maybe now act. We'll see how feasible the last bit is as no one in politics that I know of has had the guts yet to tackle this.

I remember commenting on Charlie Hebdo and later Bataclan, and even Nice, and the burkini debacle on here, it felt like people were so naive on here, so vulnerable.

Because I'm French I guess, even though I don't live there, I had all this experience of the news over there, and the general feel of the place (from trips over), feedback from family... I have family in Paris. I was in France when Nice happened, my uncle and aunt live there, my cousins were visiting with their kids for 14th July... it's easier to "get it" when you're worried about real people.

There was this whole dread going on over there, this realization that anyone was at risk, even little kiddies in buggies, or even that pregnant woman hanging off the window to try and escape the Bataclan, and yet it seemed that Irish people were very supportive, very empathetic, but from a little safe bubble where "it could never happen to us".

People on this thread don't seem hysterical to me, they just seem to have copped on ; the sooner more people do, and some politicians decide to take it on, the less probability something will happen.

Of course we can't prevent all and any attack with certainty, but the lesser the chance the better right ?

I stand with the Irish people on this, this Island is not for Islamism. Time to stand up to them. We like things the way it is, we don't want it here.

Alpha_zero

Irish neutrality is the biggest myth going. Shanon has served as a vital American strategic military asset since 2011 transporting heavy weaponry/troops to Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention their rendition flights.

K.Flyer

Widdershins wrote: »

Ive seen FB friends complaining about not feeling safe BECAUSE OF the armed police presence in the UK. They think the Westminster attacker was just being chased by the police unfairly because the police are racist and he accidentally drove over those victims, and didn't really have a knife (god knows how he managed to stab a policeman to death, maybe they think that was made up by the gubbermint)

weldoninhio

Dubh Linn wrote: »

I suppose, because we are neutral and all that, we would be less of a target? Would I be right in saying that? And also, where would be the most likely place for them to attack in Ireland?

Ireland is not a neutral country. Dublin would be most likely to be hit. Would be easy enough to get a lorry up Grafton Street, would be carnage on a busy day. Or for a bomb, outside Croke Park/Aviva on match day/concert day. We are extremely lax in Ireland. I went to the home Bosnia game in the Aviva a few days after the Paris attacks, went straight from work, so had a backpack. Security didn't even ask me to open it. Could have been smuggling beer, fireworks, or something more sinister in, but they didn't care.

pjohnson

weldoninhio wrote: »

Ireland is not a neutral country. Dublin would be most likely to be hit. Would be easy enough to get a lorry up Grafton Street, would be carnage on a busy day. Or for a bomb, outside Croke Park/Aviva on match day/concert day. We are extremely lax in Ireland. I went to the home Bosnia game in the Aviva a few days after the Paris attacks, went straight from work, so had a backpack. Security didn't even ask me to open it. Could have been smuggling beer, fireworks, or something more sinister in, but they didn't care.

So why WERENT you smuggling beer?

imme

Anything could happen

Will a so-called terror attack happen in Ireland

The answer is probably yes

The way we are currently going more and more people who could be provoked to commit such an attack are moving legally and illegally to Europe

The countries that these people come from or originate from are doing nothing but having high birthrates

There's ​no such thing as Ireland anymore in that sense

dublinman1990

It is estimated, going from various figures online, that around 70,000 muslims live here in Ireland. The vast majority of them are more well educated than the general Irish population and are in employment. Having a job these days will make you more likely not to become a criminal here in the long term. I wouldn't say that a large proportion of those muslims living here will be influenced by IS at all.

They could say to their friends and others that it is very dangerous to be in environments like the Middle East where IS are in operation.

You would have to be extremely careful to openly talk about a possible terror attack happening in Ireland. It is not an easy subject for people here or outside of boards to talk about it when it comes up for discussion. It is a highly charged conversation to discuss openly among other people as they could be upset because it can be something that affect them in a big way from various IS attacks.

Canis Lupus

A Little Pony wrote: »

I stand with the Irish people on this, this Island is not for Islamism. Time to stand up to them. We like things the way it is, we don't want it here.

Good to see you've been round to everyone and made sure they agreed with you.

Manny89

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Good to see you've been round to everyone and made sure they agreed with you.

So Ireland is all for Islamism?

Mountainsandh

dublinman1990 wrote: »

It is estimated, going from various figures online, that around 70,000 muslims live here in Ireland. The vast majority of them are more well educated than the general Irish population and are in employment. Having a job these days will make you more likely not to become a criminal here in the long term. I wouldn't say that a large proportion of those muslims living here will be influenced by IS at all.

They could say to their friends and others that it is very dangerous to be in environments like the Middle East where IS are in operation.

You would have to be extremely careful to openly talk about a possible terror attack happening in Ireland. It is not an easy subject for people here or outside of boards to talk about it when it comes up for discussion. It is a highly charged conversation to discuss openly among other people as they could be upset because it can be something that affect them in a big way from various IS attacks.

I get your point, but I also think that it's not the solution to avoid the subject at all, or even to adopt a "I really don't want to upset you but" attitude.
With due respect, the few friends I have who happen to be Muslim would also be highly educated, and I would find that they are all very much ready to talk about these things. The bottom line being that we agree the minority committing terror acts are nutcases, and that Islam as practiced by these friends is peaceful for all and great for them.

Tiptoeing around these conversations would be the equivalent of tiptoeing around conversations about the Catholic Church involvement in molestation, abuse, mistreatment and cover ups with Catholic friends.

My guts tell me it's really really wrong to avoid these topics at all, better to have it out in the open.

Now of course, I'm in contact through work with a young girl who may or may not have witnessed horrible things in Syria, and I'm not going to jump in and ask blunt questions. You don't want to bring up traumatic memories, but if it's a general, philosophical conversation, I think most educated Muslims will be willing to engage. That's just my experience.

The other thing is that while up to now we may have had a selection of the more educated, genuine refugees, with increased influx, we are likely to meet larger numbers of less educated, angrier people.
Just a question of numbers really.

And that's why a few of us are ringing alarm bells at this point.

tomwaterford

Manny89 wrote: »

So Ireland is all for Islamism?

If they drive up the price of lamb through increased demand....I'm all for it

The Oort Cloud

I see that my comment was removed from page 2, I wonder why that was. I was never notified as to why it was removed.

Jimoslimos

Alpha_zero wrote: »

Irish neutrality is the biggest myth going. Shanon has served as a vital American strategic military asset since 2011 transporting heavy weaponry/troops to Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention their rendition flights.

It really isn't. Shannon is a glorified fuel stop, nothing more. Most US planes have the range these days to fly onto/from bases in the UK and Germany.

jmayo

flazio wrote: »

In my opinion, of course an attack could happen here but in reality, what would it achieve?
There is very little media coverage here so it's unlikely to be headline news across CNN, BBC World News, Euronews etc. Therefore no one outside of Ireland would actually notice, defeating the purpose So called Islamic State would be looking for.

WTF. Did you just wake up from the 1950s ?

Any islamist attack in the Western world brings coverage.
And especially so if it happened for the first time in a country not yet attacked.
Also amount of coverage would depend on numbers killed.

The world is a small place and SKY, CNN, etc could have crews here in hours with wall to wall coverage.

flazio wrote: »

I do not fear any immigrants or refugees because they might be terrorists.

Shure aren't you great.

flazio wrote: »

That's like saying back in the 80s and 90s every Irish immigrant to other countries should be shunned because they could be IRA, or any Catalan Spainard should be kicked out because they could be ETA. Sounds ridiculous because it is.

Actually look to your above first paragraph for definition of ridiculous. :rolleyes:

Alpha_zero wrote: »

Irish neutrality is the biggest myth going. Shanon has served as a vital American strategic military asset since 2011 transporting heavy weaponry/troops to Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention their rendition flights.

Ireland was never truly neutral.
See how we repatriated Allied airmen during WWII.
Actually Switzerland and Sweden weren't really neutral for that matter either.

dublinman1990 wrote: »

It is estimated, going from various figures online, that around 70,000 muslims live here in Ireland. The vast majority of them are more well educated than the general Irish population and are in employment. Having a job these days will make you more likely not to become a criminal here in the long term. I wouldn't say that a large proportion of those muslims living here will be influenced by IS at all.

Ever check out the backgrounds of the 911 attackers ?
And Jihadi John had a second class honours degree in IT and business.

BTW it's their kids we really need to worry about.

The_Kew_Tour

70,000 Muslims and 122,000 Poles.

I say you can multiply that figure by few notches.

pilly

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

70,000 Muslims and 122,000 Poles.

I say you can multiply that figure by few notches.

What the hell have the polls got to do with this thread?

ilkhanid

Luggnuts wrote: »

You have to ask yourself why terrorist attacks occur in the countries that they do.

Let's look at the countries and what they have in common:
United States
Canada
Great Britain
France
Spain
Germany
Sweden
Denmark
Netherlands
Belgium
Russia
Philippines
Australia
(and Italy has been threatened)
Kenya
Tanzania
Uganda
Cameroon
Nigeria
India
Burkina Faso
Ivory Coast
Then there is attacks in Muslim or majority-Muslim countries.
Morocco
Mali
Turkey (before it was involved in the Syrian war)
Bangladesh
Niger
Indonesia
Tunisia
Algeria
Egypt
Jordan
Iran (before it was involved in the Syrian war)
Lebanon
Kuwait
Saudi Arabia
Yemen
Malaysia
Chad

Luggnuts wrote: »

And I'm not talking about the silly "they hate freedom" nonsense. Why would a terrorist attack occur in Ireland?

I think it's rather a case of "Why not?"

dublinman1990 wrote: »

It is estimated, going from various figures online, that around 70,000 muslims live here in Ireland. The vast majority of them are more well educated than the general Irish population and are in employment. Having a job these days will make you more likely not to become a criminal here in the long term. I wouldn't say that a large proportion of those muslims living here will be influenced by IS at all.

These are reasons why an attack may be less likely, but it doesn't make it impossible. The fact is,some of the things about the Jihadi attacks defy logic, so trying to nail down a reason why we will be immune doesn't work. Some of the London bombers had jobs, were educated and seemed-on the surface anyway-to be reasonably well integrated. Some were converts.
I doubt that we'll be attacked by IS as such, but Jihadism is like a virus now,it requires no real network, no real affiliation. All it requires is one discontented and angry man on his computer assimilating the lies from YouTube and Jihadism has arrived.
Surely the best people to pay attention to are Muslims and two Imams have said that there are people with extremist opinions here. I'd listen to them before anybody else.

The_Kew_Tour

pilly wrote: »

What the hell have the polls got to do with this thread?

I guess to see if People think a attack will happen or not.;)

Noddyholder

‘SMASH HIS HEAD with a rock, or slaughter him with a knife, or run him over with your car, or throw him down from a high place or choke him, or poison him’.

This is the advice given by ISIS spokesman Abu Mohamed al Adnani in 2014 to would-be sympathisers of Islamic State throughout the world – especially within the US and European Union

The Stockholm attack is very significant in that Sweden is – like Ireland – a neutral country that had previously had a low terror threat assessment.

Ireland currently fits that security profile as Europe’s weakest link in terms of counter terrorism awareness, preparedness and training.

The Garda representative associations have unanimously stated that their rank and file members have received no training for such eventualities and that they are literally ‘in the dark’ in relation to the terror threat here.

Compared to other jurisdictions in Europe, Irish citizens are the least well informed in terms of the current evolving and emerging terror threat and the appropriate responses to it.

http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/terrorist-attack-ireland-unprepared-tom-clonan-3345776-Apr2017/

Well that's what Tom Clonan of the journal thinks, he must have reading this thread here before he wrote the piece

Mountainsandh

Noddyholder wrote: »

Well that's what Tom Clonan of the journal thinks, he must have reading this thread here before he wrote the piece

Seems to happen a lot with the Journal. At least there is a bit of investigative work re- how much exactly (or how little, rather) training the gardai and other services have received to date in terms of first response to terror attacks. Granted, since there is practically none, the research was pretty finite. :rolleyes:

edit : I do believe there is value in publishing such articles though. People really need to be informed, and awareness really needs to be raised. How many of us would actually raise the alarm if we saw an abandoned backpack lying under a bench in a busy street ?
I think we're all pretty aware of the danger in airports, what about other locations ?
And how would the average Irish person react if at all ?
That would be an interesting enough poll : you see a bundle/backpack lying beside a bin/bench on Grafton Street/populated area. What do you do ? a) Walk on, you haven't even noticed b) swerve and walk on c) ring the gardai
I was going to take a look at Grafton Street since I haven't been there in 10 years at least, and here is the first image that showed up when I dropped the little guy in Google maps, I've added the red circle.
Of course we can't all be ringing the gardai every time a bundle shows up near a bin, but maybe the bin collection arrangements might be updated to better serve busy areas as a preventative measure.

Widdershins

I don't think I would report a backpack or an bag. Maybe I should rethink this. They're so commonplace, though...

Maybe a bit OT but TC mentions the Westminster Attack there. I've just been reading a friend's comment about that. He was saying he couldn't care less that Teresa May is safe as he's more upset about the people who were killed and the Muslims ''who will be attacked all over the country''. I don't think that has happened at all, has it? I know there always have been hate attacks, unfortunately, but I haven't heard of any particular escalation. It's the same reason he frowns on any mention of Islamism.

smurfyirl

Amount of training given to gardai in terrorism? Absolutely zero in the last 10/11 years I've been at it.

I work in Limerick and am most likely to be a first responder to any incident here or possibly sent to assist in Shannon if a serious attack happened there. Luckily I've a stick and pepper spray though so that will be fine then!

Are we a possible target - yep. Are we in any way, shape or form prepared for one? No chance.

The only silver lining is that we probably rank low enough on target lists for extremists.

Mountainsandh

Widdershins wrote: »

I don't think I would report a backpack or an bag. Maybe I should rethink this. They're so commonplace, though...
.

Same here.
I think we could all be a bit more vigilant in busy spots if we were reminded, but it's really preventative measures that would help the most.

I have already mentioned it but I think ferry boats are pretty vulnerable too. Not enough checks IMO.

artemis268

Doubt it. Ireland doesnt really register on anyone's radar and I'd think the skangers and juankies on the street would beat the cr*p out of any would-be terrorists any day.

jmayo

artemis268 wrote: »

Doubt it. Ireland doesnt really register on anyone's radar and I'd think the skangers and juankies on the street would beat the cr*p out of any would-be terrorists any day.

Yeah because our skangers and junkies are so much tougher than those in London, Brussels, Paris, Nice, Madrid, etc, etc, etc

If only Carlsberg did skangers, they would all be Dubs.

When are the schools open again.

pumpkin4life

artemis268 wrote: »

Doubt it. Ireland doesnt really register on anyone's radar and I'd think the skangers and juankies on the street would beat the cr*p out of any would-be terrorists any day.

AHH ME FOOKIN LEG

Noddyholder

pumpkin4life wrote: »

AHH ME FOOKIN LEG

Irelands front line defence according to some here .:D:rolleyes::p:p Now where's Anto

C Montgomery Gurns II

Widdershins wrote: »

I don't think I would report a backpack or an bag. Maybe I should rethink this. They're so commonplace, though...

.

A few days ago I found a new enough looking suitcase on a platform and opened it to see if there was anything of interest inside (money, drugs, who knows)

If that was anywhere else in Europe I'd run a mile from it (or a kilometre, as it were)

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

Two arrested in Waterford on suspicion of international terrorism. Gardai suspected they may have been associating with known terrorists: https://www.thejournal.ie/terrorism-arrest-3361897-Apr2017/

It's only a matter of time before our weakness in immigration, security, and intelligence is taken advantage of.

RayM

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

Two arrested in Waterford on suspicion of international terrorism.

When they started calling Isis "Daesh", I knew Waterford would somehow become involved.

The_Kew_Tour

They both Irish by sounds of it?

Edit 1 english

Sofiztikated

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

Two arrested in Waterford on suspicion of international terrorism. Gardai suspected they may have been associating with known terrorists: https://www.thejournal.ie/terrorism-arrest-3361897-Apr2017/

It's only a matter of time before our weakness in immigration, security, and intelligence is taken advantage of.

Damn English terrorists.

Beasty

artemis268 wrote: »

Doubt it. Ireland doesnt really register on anyone's radar and I'd think the skangers and juankies on the street would beat the cr*p out of any would-be terrorists any day.

English speaking, next door to the UK, lack of security investment making Ireland a soft target (only 3 armed Dublin Airport Police on duty being a prime example)

Exactly the sort of place for them to target - they are looking for publicity and Ireland would certainly register on the radar if anything did happen

tomwaterford

Seems an gardai are stopping attacks abroad aswell


http://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/newsireland/man-and-woman-arrested-by-gardai-investigating-suspected-terrorism-activity/ar-BBArUO2?li=AAmb2oK&o

gitzy16v

Associated with Islamists the media say,glad the total censorship or description of criminals hasnt arrived here just yet....
Great job by our forces....I'd be hoping our lads are well trained in sniffing out terrorist activities after this past hmmmm 100 years maybe.

pontoonz

breaking news

failed potato farmer enda kenny promises to crush foreign terrorist networks in ireland,

CoolHandBandit

Very very worrying this tbh. I wonder how many more are lying in wait?

MikeenRonanJr

Fair play to the Gardai.


It's only a matter of time to be honest. And when (not if) there's a Muslim terrorist attack in Ireland, I would presume you'll have the usual "Religion of Peace" and "It's because of the West" crowd in the thread.

pontoonz

MikeenRonanJr wrote: »

Fair play to the Gardai.


It's only a matter of time to be honest. And when (not if) there's a Muslim terrorist attack in Ireland, I would presume you'll have the usual "Religion of Peace" and "It's because of the West" crowd in the thread.

it should not happen in ireland ,

but if it does enda kenny and simon coveney should be hung until there dead

tomwaterford

CoolHandBandit wrote: »

Very very worrying this tbh. I wonder how many more are lying in wait?

This is the second time it's been unearthed in waterford (islamists)

There seems to be no word on what was planned though?
Last time they were comically bad tbf

pontoonz

ps,

the family of one of the berlin truck attacks victims is sueing the irish navy as the truck driver was brought from libya to italy by the irish navy (simon coveny)

gitzy16v

pontoonz wrote: »

it should not happen in ireland ,

but if it does enda kenny and simon coveney should be hung until there dead

Not the best idea tbf.

gitzy16v

pontoonz wrote: »

ps,

the family of one of the berlin truck attacks victims is sueing the irish navy as the truck driver was brought from libya to italy by the irish navy (simon coveny)

Yer gonna have to give us a link where you found that....it's astonishing and I'd agree that the navy facilitated bringing Isis sympathisers to Europe.

pontoonz

gitzy16v wrote: »

Not the best idea tbf.

fair enough, i take it back, enda and simon are not culpable

tomwaterford

pontoonz wrote: »

ps,

the family of one of the berlin truck attacks victims is sueing the irish navy as the truck driver was brought from libya to italy by the irish navy (simon coveny)

:pac:

Is he sueing the truck company aswell

pontoonz

cough,

anyone else find it a massive coincidence that innocent simple simon coveny is minister for housing at the moment?

not saying his prtog?s arte skipping the queues or anything,

it's a coincidence

gitzy16v

pontoonz wrote: »

fair enough, i take it back, enda and simon are not culpable

They are culpable alright,just lets not hang them lol

tomwaterford

pontoonz wrote: »

cough,

anyone else find it a massive coincidence that innocent simple simon coveny is minister for housing at the moment?

not saying his prtog?s arte skipping the queues or anything,

it's a coincidence

:D

This is going well


Tbf I seen a pic of him driving a combine harvester before....I'm saying it's a coincidence that they use trucks with same engines in lone wolf attacks or anything






***am I doing this right?????

Barry Badrinath

gitzy16v wrote: »

....it's astonishing and I'd agree that the navy facilitated bringing Isis sympathisers to Europe.

Do explain.