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US considering Preemptive Strike against North Korea.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,421 ✭✭✭ToddyDoody


    Should Ireland take some sort of action on North Korea?


  • Posts: 31,119 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ToddyDoody wrote: »
    Should Ireland take some sort of action on North Korea?
    Like what????


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    Like what????

    Maybe the pro Venezuelan protestors could protest outside the US embassy, I'm sure there'd be a few takers.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,620 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    BillyBobBS wrote: »
    Well he's doing a heck of a lot better than Obama that's for sure.

    Well, Obama brought about an economic recovery, jobs growth and universal health care.
    Trump has failed to build a wall, keep out Muslims, drain any swamps or destroy the healthcare system, but he may succeed in destroying the environment unless he gets us all nuked beforehand. And he has succeeded in introducing a climate of hate and intolerance, replacing "Yes we can!" with Twitter rants. Covfefe.
    Anyone who thinks Trump is doing better has replaced his brain with a urine soaked sponge.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,568 ✭✭✭BillyBobBS


    Well, Obama brought about an economic recovery, jobs growth and universal health care.
    Trump has failed to build a wall, keep out Muslims, drain any swamps or destroy the healthcare system, but he may succeed in destroying the environment unless he gets us all nuked beforehand. And he has succeeded in introducing a climate of hate and intolerance, replacing "Yes we can!" with Twitter rants. Covfefe.
    Anyone who thinks Trump is doing better has replaced his brain with a urine soaked sponge.

    Health care is now worse in America because of Obama.

    Obama was the McJobs president

    The economy tanked under Obama

    Trump hasn't even been in the job a year yet and the economy is up, stock market is up, jobs are up, he's about to sort out the mess Obama made with ISIS and NK.

    President Trump is doing an outstanding job.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    ToddyDoody wrote: »
    Should Ireland take some sort of action on North Korea?

    Send the Irish navy to sail around the Korean peninsula ha ha.

    Or what the hell just warn Kim that if he tests another missile he will experience drivel and BS like the world has never seen before :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    BillyBobBS wrote: »
    Health care is now worse in America because of Obama.

    Obama was the McJobs president

    The economy tanked under Obama

    Trump hasn't even been in the job a year yet and the economy is up, stock market is up, jobs are up, he's about to sort out the mess Obama made with ISIS and NK.

    President Trump is doing an outstanding job.

    I see your hero has another new communications director, I wonder will he be grabbing her by the pu55y when he presses the button?


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,812 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    BillyBobBS wrote: »
    Health care is now worse in America because of Obama.

    Obama was the McJobs president

    The economy tanked under Obama

    Trump hasn't even been in the job a year yet and the economy is up, stock market is up, jobs are up, he's about to sort out the mess Obama made with ISIS and NK.

    President Trump is doing an outstanding job.

    Interesting...

    http://newamericamedia.org/2017/01/how-obamacare-improved-the-nations-health.php


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    Like everything there are winners and losers. The big problem with US healthcare is access and affordability, if you try to get insurance on your own or if you have a pre-existing condition it is ridiculously expensive or if you are covered and an insurance company screw you, then you are up a creek.
    Obamacare provided options to those who couldn't access/afford insurance, still at a price that would make irish people wince and the model was based on ideas put forward by a conservative think tank and it has been put in practice in Massachusets by Mitt Romney in the past.
    The problem is more sick people who are more likely to get sick cost insurance companies and they pass the cost to everyone else.
    Of course Trump promised everyone great insurance at a lower price. I don't hear much about it now do you, last I saw he was happy to let house Republicans try for the 60th time to repeal Obamacare.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,336 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    Tough talk is not going to ease tensions is it? North Korea is not going to back off, when you going to UN and imposing sanctions on them for decades. I surprised how calm they are considering America is trying to ruin them economically.

    Who cares about the tough talk. NK is constantly acting like a drunk bully trying to start a fight when everyone knows he'd get knocked unconscious with the first raising of an actual fist.

    The problem isn't that they are advancing their nuclear capability, it's when they perfect it in a manner to be able to smuggle miniaturized versions into the US and detonate in cities.

    So the best course of action is to strategically nuke them now. After all Hiroshima and Nagasaki are grand now, not much news about Chernobyl and Fukishima these days. So better put an end to it quickly before it's too late.

    The best thing Trump could do is issue an ultimatum. Get rid of all your nuclear activities or suffer a pre-emptive strike. In order to do that, he would have to first of all ban all US citizens from visiting NK.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 960 ✭✭✭flaneur


    ToddyDoody wrote: »
    Should Ireland take some sort of action on North Korea?

    We did, via the EU sanctions.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,620 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    BillyBobBS wrote: »
    Health care is now worse in America because of Obama.

    Obama was the McJobs president

    The economy tanked under Obama

    Trump hasn't even been in the job a year yet and the economy is up, stock market is up, jobs are up, he's about to sort out the mess Obama made with ISIS and NK.

    President Trump is doing an outstanding job.

    When Obama took over the US and even the world economy was shattered and lay in ruins, thanks to a certain Mr. Bush, who also devastated the Middle East and brought us ISIS.
    He presided over an upswing not seen since the end of the great depression.
    Before the affordable healthcare act, people had the choice to pay $60 to $100k for lifesaving surgery or croak. Tough sh*t, should have thought of that before getting cancer.

    Trump has done fcuk all except rant on Twitter and sack staff that don't agree with his delusions.
    And if you think he can just order the military to "sort out" ISIS and NK, you are entirely clueless and deluded as to how this works in real life.
    There are enough safeguards in place that prevent lunatics like Trump kicking off WW3. As has been demonstrated with his vile immigrants act and his idiotic wall, even the US President can't just start throwing orders around, he is the leader of a democratic country, not a despot.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    SEOUL — North Korea’s powerful nuclear test this month may have been even stronger than first reported, equivalent to roughly 17 times the strength of the bomb that destroyed Hiroshima, according to a new analysis by a U.S. monitoring think tank.

    North Korea’s Sept. 3 nuclear test, its sixth and biggest, showed how much progress the country has made on its nuclear program.

    Estimates of the bomb’s yield, or the amount of energy released by the blast, have ranged from South Korea’s 50 kilotons to Japan’s 160 kilotons, although some analysts have said the 6.3 magnitude of the earthquake caused by the detonation could put it into the “hundreds of kilotons.” This would put it into the realm of thermonuclear weapons, supporting North Korea’s claim that it had tested a hydrogen bomb.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/north-korea-nuclear-test-maybe-have-been-twice-as-strong-as-first-thought/2017/09/13/19b026d8-985b-11e7-a527-3573bd073e02_story.html?utm_term=.7adacb71b19f


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Where is the UN sanctions for South Korea?

    South Korea said Wednesday it had conducted its first live-fire drill for an advanced air-launched cruise missile that would strengthen its pre-emptive strike capability against North Korea in the event of crisis.

    South Korea's military said the Taurus missile fired from an F-15 fighter jet traveled through obstacles at low altitudes before hitting a target off the country's western coast during drills Tuesday.

    Now there is reports North Korea is moving missiles in response. We going to see another missile test very soon.


  • Registered Users Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Subzero3


    Who cares about the tough talk. NK is constantly acting like a drunk bully trying to start a fight when everyone knows he'd get knocked unconscious with the first raising of an actual fist.

    The problem isn't that they are advancing their nuclear capability, it's when they perfect it in a manner to be able to smuggle miniaturized versions into the US and detonate in cities.

    So the best course of action is to strategically nuke them now. After all Hiroshima and Nagasaki are grand now, not much news about Chernobyl and Fukishima these days. So better put an end to it quickly before it's too late.

    The best thing Trump could do is issue an ultimatum. Get rid of all your nuclear activities or suffer a pre-emptive strike. In order to do that, he would have to first of all ban all US citizens from visiting NK.

    The best thing Trump could do is start talking with NK. Otherwise your suggesting killing millions of Koreans because Trump and the US have bigger weapons.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    Where is the UN sanctions for South Korea?

    South Korea said Wednesday it had conducted its first live-fire drill for an advanced air-launched cruise missile that would strengthen its pre-emptive strike capability against North Korea in the event of crisis.

    South Korea's military said the Taurus missile fired from an F-15 fighter jet traveled through obstacles at low altitudes before hitting a target off the country's western coast during drills Tuesday.

    Now there is reports North Korea is moving missiles in response. We going to see another missile test very soon.

    Its a existing weapons platform. The aircraft would have been upgraded to carry it and the pilots trained. The final test is a live firing exercise to prove man and machine is capable.

    Happens day in and day out in every air force in the world.

    Military flyers have to drop live weapons on a regular basis to keep certification to use them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Where is the UN sanctions for South Korea?

    South Korea said Wednesday it had conducted its first live-fire drill for an advanced air-launched cruise missile that would strengthen its pre-emptive strike capability against North Korea in the event of crisis.

    South Korea's military said the Taurus missile fired from an F-15 fighter jet traveled through obstacles at low altitudes before hitting a target off the country's western coast during drills Tuesday

    Why would there be sanctions against the south exactly


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    prinzeugen wrote: »
    Its a existing weapons platform. The aircraft would have been upgraded to carry it and the pilots trained. The final test is a live firing exercise to prove man and machine is capable.

    Happens day in and day out in every air force in the world.

    Military flyers have to drop live weapons on a regular basis to keep certification to use them.

    I just saying nobody wants to see millions of people die. So ease off. You sanctioned North Korea, Trump threatened them again and now we have South Korea testing missiles. North is going to to fire another missile, if they are testing missiles near their border.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    I just saying nobody wants to see millions of people die. So ease off. You sanctioned North Korea, Trump threatened them again and now we have South Korea testing missiles. North is going to to fire another missile, if they are testing missiles near their border.

    South Korea has been dropping inert (dead) versions of these for over a year. Its the first live drop which you need to get certed for IOC.

    South Korea has to do this over its own ground as there is no other option.

    The Luftwaffe went to Canada and the US to train.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Someone suggested mini-parachuting in thousands of smartphones then moving a satellite just above creating free, fast connected WiFi out to the rest of the world.

    Hard to predict what the result would be, either a view count increase in the already inexplicably popular pop song: 'gangnam style' and other timeless Korean karaoke hits. Their equivalency of 'bake off - the final' could tempt a few to break for the border, everyone likes a nice cake.

    But whatever their regional version of 'The Only Way is ___' might get them running back, as would the unsavory Kim Cardigan phenomenon.


    Failing all that, it looks like a possible 'Hollywood move script rights auction' for the end of the year: 'Spartan3000'.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    Ipso wrote: »
    Someone once said that an army marches on their stomachs. The country is a basket case, I really doubt they would be able to mount much of a resistance (not that I think an invasion will happen, but if it does obviously it would be by China).

    Jaysus, they must have been fierce well fed in the 1950's then...twas a bunch of fatso's that sent the American army on it's longest retreat ever :cool:


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    archer22 wrote: »
    Jaysus, they must have been fierce well fed in the 1950's then...twas a bunch of fatso's that sent the American army on it's longest retreat ever :cool:

    Lol typical nonsense

    Chinese army not NK .


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,405 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    archer22 wrote: »
    Jaysus, they must have been fierce well fed in the 1950's then...twas a bunch of fatso's that sent the American army on it's longest retreat ever :cool:


    would that be the same NK army that was completely outmanouvered by the US forces and had to be rescued by the chinese?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,568 ✭✭✭BillyBobBS


    Where is the UN sanctions for South Korea?

    South Korea said Wednesday it had conducted its first live-fire drill for an advanced air-launched cruise missile that would strengthen its pre-emptive strike capability against North Korea in the event of crisis.

    South Korea's military said the Taurus missile fired from an F-15 fighter jet traveled through obstacles at low altitudes before hitting a target off the country's western coast during drills Tuesday.

    Now there is reports North Korea is moving missiles in response. We going to see another missile test very soon.

    Yes sanctions on South Korea is the answer comrade.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Herb Powell


    BillyBobBS wrote: »
    Health care is now worse in America because of Obama.

    Obama was the McJobs president

    The economy tanked under Obama

    Trump hasn't even been in the job a year yet and the economy is up, stock market is up, jobs are up, he's about to sort out the mess Obama made with ISIS and NK.

    President Trump is doing an outstanding job.

    Gotta laugh when I see this shhit.

    Trump's fiscal year hasn't even started yet. So in that regard we don't know yet what kind of job he's doing, but I'd have my suspicions it's somehow less than "outstanding".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Someone suggested mini-parachuting in thousands of smartphones then moving a satellite just above creating free, fast connected WiFi out to the rest of the world.

    Hard to predict what the result would be, either a view count increase in the already inexplicably popular pop song: 'gangnam style' and other timeless Korean karaoke hits. Their equivalency of 'bake off - the final' could tempt a few to break for the border, everyone likes a nice cake.

    But whatever their regional version of 'The Only Way is ___' might get them running back, as would the unsavory Kim Cardigan phenomenon.


    Failing all that, it looks like a possible 'Hollywood move script rights auction' for the end of the year: 'Spartan3000'.

    It's a good idea, but the likeihood of the phones not reaching the people is high. And who is going to pay for this technology free transfer?


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,795 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Someone suggested mini-parachuting in thousands of smartphones then moving a satellite just above creating free, fast connected WiFi out to the rest of the world.

    Hard to predict what the result would be, either a view count increase in the already inexplicably popular pop song: 'gangnam style' and other timeless Korean karaoke hits. Their equivalency of 'bake off - the final' could tempt a few to break for the border, everyone likes a nice cake.

    But whatever their regional version of 'The Only Way is ___' might get them running back, as would the unsavory Kim Cardigan phenomenon.


    Failing all that, it looks like a possible 'Hollywood move script rights auction' for the end of the year: 'Spartan3000'.

    I read about this. In fairness it's a better option than nuclear war. Get the Chinese to start smuggling them over the border and start spreading an age of enlightenment!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Reports. An ICBM is fueled and ready to be fired by North Korea. Be in the next hours or day or so.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    It's a good idea, but the likeihood of the phones not reaching the people is high. And who is going to pay for this technology free transfer?

    Some costs involved, sure one of the networks could sponsor it as a 30-day free trial, who knows they may even some customers eventually.

    It would also need to be a vast drops and well distributed (drone swarms). Some of those old OEM smart-ish phones aren't worth jack, so altogether probably cheaper than an hour's worth of normal big stick throwing tests.

    The only other (non-linear) solution involves Dennis Rodman, and let's just he isn't the sharpest pencil in the box, and is probably being kept away from anything that looks like a red button whenever he visits.

    Don't think China have played this very well at all, they now have semi-permanent 1,000mile radar looking at their backyard, or worse.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,978 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Gotta laugh when I see this shhit.

    Trump's fiscal year hasn't even started yet. So in that regard we don't know yet what kind of job he's doing, but I'd have my suspicions it's somehow less than "outstanding".
    Things are good because the dollar is down and American multi nationals are doing well in euros and pounds isn't it?


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