US considering Preemptive Strike against North Korea.

Cheerful Spring

Evie Big Troop wrote: »

Some costs involved, sure one of the networks could sponsor it as a 30-day free trial, who knows they may even some customers eventually.

It would also need to be a vast drops and well distributed (drone swarms). Some of those old OEM smart-ish phones aren't worth jack, so altogether probably cheaper than an hour's worth of normal big stick throwing tests.

The only other (non-linear) solution involves Dennis Rodman, and let's just he isn't the sharpest pencil in the box, and is probably being kept away from anything that looks like a red button whenever he visits.

Don't think China have played this very well at all, they now have semi-permanent 1,000mile radar looking at their backyard, or worse.

Nobody is smart about this. North Korea and America both need to chill out and start talking and planning for a peace treaty. North Korea has nukes, it not going to change, a peace treaty and normalization, would stop them threatening countries in Asia.

I honestly have no clue what this is so difficult. Pick up a phone, hey Kim we don't want a nuclear war do you want to sign a peace treaty instead?

aloyisious

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

I just saying nobody wants to see millions of people die. So ease off. You sanctioned North Korea, Trump threatened them again and now we have South Korea testing missiles. North is going to to fire another missile, if they are testing missiles near their border.

Putting the firing of the missile from the SK Plane simply. All armaments have a limited life because of the material inside them to make them work, they doesn't last forever, but become a dud or liable to defective operation, even down to the humble pistol round. That's the bonus for arms manufacturers. You don't learn the proper way to use weapons sitting in a theory classroom.

archer22

Evie Big Troop wrote: »

Some costs involved, sure one of the networks could sponsor it as a 30-day free trial, who knows they may even some customers eventually.

It would also need to be a vast drops and well distributed (drone swarms). Some of those old OEM smart-ish phones aren't worth jack, so altogether probably cheaper than an hour's worth of normal big stick throwing tests.

The only other (non-linear) solution involves Dennis Rodman, and let's just he isn't the sharpest pencil in the box, and is probably being kept away from anything that looks like a red button whenever he visits.

Don't think China have played this very well at all, they now have semi-permanent 1,000mile radar looking at their backyard, or worse.

Yeah and the first thing they might find find online is this thread...which would increase their support for Kim Jong Un a thousand fold .

Actually North Korea's decision not to connect to the internet is pure brilliant..all the Great Satan's spyware and hacking tools are about as much use as a bucket of Pizz in this conflict .

fxotoole

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Reports. An ICBM is fueled and ready to be fired by North Korea. Be in the next hours or day or so.

Link? Where are you getting your information from?

fxotoole

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Nobody is smart about this. North Korea and America both need to chill out and start talking and planning for a peace treaty. North Korea has nukes, it not going to change, a peace treaty and normalization, would stop them threatening countries in Asia.

I honestly have no clue what this is so difficult. Pick up a phone, hey Kim we don't want a nuclear war do you want to sign a peace treaty instead?

Because North Korea have no interest in a Peace Treaty. It suits them to keep their army in a permanent state of war readiness, and their population constantly in fear of invasion.

archer22

fxotoole wrote: »

Because North Korea have no interest in a Peace Treaty. It suits them to keep their army in a permanent state of war readiness, and their population constantly in fear of invasion.

They saw Saddam and Gaddafi accepting peace overtures from the west...god rest their souls and their nations.

Kermit.de.frog

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Evie Big Troop wrote: »

Some costs involved, sure one of the networks could sponsor it as a 30-day free trial, who knows they may even some customers eventually.

It would also need to be a vast drops and well distributed (drone swarms). Some of those old OEM smart-ish phones aren't worth jack, so altogether probably cheaper than an hour's worth of normal big stick throwing tests.

The only other (non-linear) solution involves Dennis Rodman, and let's just he isn't the sharpest pencil in the box, and is probably being kept away from anything that looks like a red button whenever he visits.

Don't think China have played this very well at all, they now have semi-permanent 1,000mile radar looking at their backyard, or worse.

Nobody is smart about this. North Korea and America both need to chill out and start talking and planning for a peace treaty. North Korea has nukes, it not going to change, a peace treaty and normalization, would stop them threatening countries in Asia.

I honestly have no clue what this is so difficult. Pick up a phone, hey Kim we don't want a nuclear war do you want to sign a peace treaty instead?

You want a western democracy to sign a peace treaty with a man running a 25 million people prison camp?

Cheerful Spring

fxotoole wrote: »

Link? Where are you getting your information from?

use this keeps me updated on news stories around the world about NK!

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/World+News/Asia/North+Korea

Cheerful Spring

fxotoole wrote: »

Because North Korea have no interest in a Peace Treaty. It suits them to keep their army in a permanent state of war readiness, and their population constantly in fear of invasion.

They looking to sign a peace treaty for a long time.

ohnonotgmail

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

use this keeps me updated on news stories around the world about NK!

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/World+News/Asia/North+Korea

that is just a new aggregator site. where is the original link.

Kermit.de.frog

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

You want a western democracy to sign a peace treaty with a man running a 25 million people prison camp?

We already have that with China.. turning a blind eye to their excesses in Tibet, Xinjiang, and other parts of China. China is still a police state with people disappearing whenever the government decides some particular group has broken their rules.

If we could get a guarantee from Kim, that there would be no more aggressive 'gestures' with missiles and nuke tests.. then he could join the club with the other dodgy countries with nuclear capabilities... i.e. Pakistan, Turkey, etc.

archer22

Deleted User wrote: »

We already have that with China.. turning a blind eye to their excesses in Tibet, Xinjiang, and other parts of China. China is still a police state with people disappearing whenever the government decides some particular group has broken their rules.

If we could get a guarantee from Kim, that there would be no more aggressive 'gestures' with missiles and nuke tests.. then he could join the club with the other dodgy countries with nuclear capabilities... i.e. Pakistan, Turkey, etc.

Or the millions of Palestinians in Israels open air prison camps in Gaza and the west bank who are brutalised starved and murdered on a regular basis.

And pssst don't mention Israels nukes and Samson option...cos Israel is America's buddy

archer22

archer22 wrote: »

Or the millions of Palestinians in Israels open air prison camps in Gaza and the west bank who are brutalised starved and murdered on a regular basis.

And pssst don't mention Israels nukes and Samson option...cos Israel is America's buddy

Yup. Sure. Include Israel. I don't have an issue with that. :rolleyes:

fxotoole

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

They looking to sign a peace treaty for a long time.

No they haven't

Cheerful Spring

fxotoole wrote: »

No they haven't

Yes they have for years.

Even recent times, a few months ago.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/22/north-korean-diplomat-kye-chun-yong-raises-possibility-of-talks-nuclear-test-moratorium.html

A North Korean diplomat on Wednesday raised the possibility of the hermit regime holding bilateral talks with the United States.

"Under certain circumstances, we are willing to talk in terms of the freezing of nuclear testing and missile testing," North Korea Ambassador to India Kye Chun Yong said during an interview on India's TV network WION.

Before Trump got elected.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/doug-bandow/north-korea-wants-to-nego_b_8769306.html

Indeed, North Korea has proposed negotiations over a formal peace treaty. In October Foreign Minister Ri Su-yong used the UN as a platform to urge the U.S. and DPRK to agree to a treaty ending the conflict. North Korean television reiterated the call a few days later.

In the past Pyongyang’s proposals appeared pro forma. But now might be different. Cha Du-hyeogn, national security adviser to the previous South Korean president, suggested that the repetition was “a possible sign that North Korea is serious about holding a conversation with U.S.”

bear1

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

use this keeps me updated on news stories around the world about NK!

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/World+News/Asia/North+Korea

So you get your news from.. the ****ing mirror?

4068ac1elhodqr

bear1 wrote: »

So you get your news from.. the ****ing mirror?

That 'newsnow' site is handy, as an aggregator only.

The sources are listed beside each story lead, usually if the same story is repeated by multiple vendors then there may be some validity.

e.g. Multiple headlines from multiple locations show NK offers to: 'sink Japan, and turn the us into 'ashes and darkness'. Yesterday it was 'greatest pain'.
Friendly bunch of lads, eh?

In fairness the Mirror/Express did have a story earlier with blamed WW3 on Cheese.

ilkhanid

Nettle Soup wrote: »

Aragh the superpowers are always exerting their sphere of influence. There is nothing new there. How dare China try and do it in the South China Sea? Korea is a long way from the United States too!

The word doesn't grant them any special rights. If India started intimidating Ceylon, the Seychelles, the Maldives or Madagascar on that basis it would raise plenty of eyebrows.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

South Korea and United States, they hate mostly, and it mostly the government they hate not the people.

Stalin didn't actually hate the peoples of Poland, Romania, Czechoslovakia or the Baltic states either. They still went under the lash and the heel when his goons took over, though.

Jayop

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

You want a western democracy to sign a peace treaty with a man running a 25 million people prison camp?

A western democracy with 2.2 million people in actual prisons at the highest percent of population in the world? A president that has just pardoned a man who ran actual prison camps in the USA?

Glass houses and all that.

Kermit.de.frog

Reports NK has launched a missile, sirens going off in Japan.

bear1

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Reports NK has launched a missile, sirens going off in Japan.

Link?

Sierra Oscar

bear1 wrote: »

Link?

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/908453569619271680

https://twitter.com/StratSentinel/status/908453122892279808

https://twitter.com/richard680news/status/908452115810570240

bear1

So it would be fair to assume the Japanese won't shoot this one down either.

Kermit.de.frog

That would be the second missile fired over Japan. I doubt they will tolerate that without a response...

Sierra Oscar

bear1 wrote: »

So it would be fair to assume the Japanese won't shoot this one down either.

It appears no attempt was made to shoot down the missile.

Japanese authorities have continued with the evacuation alert as they anticipate further missile launches.

bear1

It entered Japanese airspace anyway.
No reports of the Japanese reacting except for warnings.
Hard to say really what can happen from here.

Sierra Oscar

NHK English livestream can be viewed here.

bear1

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

It appears no attempt was made to shoot down the missile.

Japanese authorities have continued with the evacuation alert as they anticipate further missile launches.

I find this interesting, but would Japan have the right to fire back?
A foreign enemy laughing 2 missiles over a sovereign nations airspace and territory would general involve a countermeasure.

Kermit.de.frog

Oddly reports are saying the missile was fired from the Capital, Pyongyang. That's something new.

Ipso

Japan brought it on themselves, especially with Trump in power there.