US considering Preemptive Strike against North Korea.

stevedublin

Evie Big Troop wrote: »

They would appear to be unable to influence a small dark rogue state on their border, either this is (mistakenly) intentional action, or indeed a sign of weakness.

China is NOT America's lapdog.
Trump wants NK to abandon its nuclear weapons program is literally threatening "fire and fury" if they don't.
NK, despite being a much smaller, weaker (militarily) country than the US is not complying.
How you can twist these simple facts to claim that CHINA looks weak I do not understand!
You are clearly of limited intelligence!

JC01

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No didn't see yours. Was response to Gringo.

As to your response, anyone who is a severe threat like the North Koreans at this moment then absolutely as a last resort.

Do people not realise the seriousness of getting war head equipped ICBM and causing an EMP over any continent ? I mean, seriously not get it ??? A ground detonation is one thing but EMP has the potential to cause much more devastation over a longer period of time.

You seem a bit obsessed with EMPs going by your last few posts.
People are aware of the threat but this is real life not a movie. By all accounts NK has fairly rudimentary nuclear weapons which could only hope to cause a fairly localised EMP. America itself barely has the capabilities to launch a continent wide EMP attack so really that's not the issue here.

Even a nuclear "war" between NK and the USA would be on a tiny scale compared to the MAD war that would of ensued had the Cold War ever turned hot. That would of caused the actual end of the world as we know it but all NK can hope to do is launch a few ICBMs and possibly have one successfully hit its target. The entire country will be utterly decimated in response. That of course would have long term effects and repercussions for the globe but certainly isn't going to end life as we know it.

Totally destroy doesn't mean killing everyone Boat_mad, he was speaking metaphorically.

The Germans responsible for the War got pretty much away with the pure evil they carried out and most of them were placed in top positions in companies throughout the world. They got off lightly....

And those who supported the Nazis also got off lightly.

Gringo180

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes it is, if that's what it takes, they will do it to whomever they want without a 2nd thought.

Did the Nazi's excuse the devastation the Germans caused and completely got away with ?

Why are you comparing North Korea to Nazi Germany? A better comparison to Nazi Germany and there invading anf occupying forces would be the Americans. Theyve invaded 2 countries in the last decade and have interfered, bombed and killed innocent civilians in countless more since the turn of the century.

stevedublin

BillyBobBS wrote: »

They have a madman waving nuclear missiles on their border. They look like wimps.

North Korea is not threatening China with nuclear missiles.
China does not look like wimp(s).
You are failing to explain how China looks weak or like a wimp.
Meanwhile Trump is being humiliated in front of the whole world!

Gringo180

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Totally destroy doesn't mean killing everyone Boat_mad, he was speaking metaphorically.

Thats ok so. They wont kill the whole 25 million in Korea but they will destroy there countries infastructure (again) and maybe only kill another 5 or 6 million North Koreans along with the millions who will die in Seoul if the Americans attack.

JC01

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Totally destroy doesn't mean killing everyone Boat_mad, he was speaking metaphorically.

The Germans responsible for the War got pretty much away with the pure evil they carried out and most of them were placed in top positions in companies throughout the world. They got off lightly....

And those who supported the Nazis also got off lightly.

WW2 is a direct consequence of the theory of "punishing" countries for previous actions i.e. WW1, that the world actually learned that lesson and didn't repeat the mistakes of Versailles is nothing short of a miracle given human nature.

archer22

Nettle Soup wrote: »

Russia and China are laughing at Trump at this point.

Still just a war of words between Rocket Man and Orange Ego Man.

It will fizzle out when something else catches Trump's limited attention...like a cute intern or some such...

Trump would want to watch out for cute interns though...they might stuff a cloth soaked in VX down his throat!.

4068ac1elhodqr

stevedublin wrote: »

China is NOT America's lapdog.
Trump wants NK to abandon its nuclear weapons program is literally threatening "fire and fury" if they don't.
NK, despite being a much smaller, weaker (militarily) country than the US is not complying.
How you can twist these simple facts to claim that CHINA looks weak I do not understand!

You are clearly of limited intelligence!

Can you name more than a handful of any world leaders that think NK should become a n-armed power?

The UN is unanimous that NK should stop it's current path, you seem to be leaving out these very obvious, basic factoids.

It's basic common knowledge, that the only power than can significantly influence it, is it's main trading partner and a direct borderline country: China

You also seem to have forgotten NK has already directly threatened Jap, SK, and the US with destruction and rather silly comments towards Australia and other regional powers.

4068ac1elhodqr

JC01 wrote: »

You seem a bit obsessed with EMPs going by your last few posts.

Perhaps he mentioned it as that was mentioned with great gusto in one of Rocketman's recent speeches.

One of those set off up around 250miles is very hard to stop and would affect a whole continent.

scamalert

even NK realize how easy it is to provoke this orange Muppet, to say that he will flatten country, they dont even need to make $hit up to brainwash people and spread more propaganda.

worst in all of this is that US shouldn't even care for crap place like NK and let SK and Japan China work this **** out yet result is piss poor country 50 years behind in every aspect can still jerk off rest of the world and no one can do anything.

Since its amazing we have sattelites that can zoom in from 200 miles into single dot on the ground and somehow no one comes up with idea just to map the place with most military personel and fat blob to do single carpet bombing and let rest think twice on what they want to do with their country when no one controls them.

Manic Moran

Interesting assessment from West Point as to why NK might actually want the US to attack: Cause division with the South and break up the alliance. Then attack RoK on its own later. It starts by attacking the premise that the regime believes that in order to survive, it must avoid conflict with the US.

Assessment observes, however, that just because the current RoK president is far less militant, in such a case NK may still be misjudging.

https://mwi.usma.edu/war-north-korea-wants/

4068ac1elhodqr

scamalert wrote: »

Just to map the place with most military personel and fat blob to do single carpet bombing ...

Agree DT's comments were unnecessary and unhelpful in that particular case. As you point out all they really have to do is aim for the outdoor furniture settings (big desk with lamp on it) and of course a few other strategic locations.

'No need to use a sledgehammer and take down a wall just to remove a rusty nail', just extract it and any rust affected areas. Then re-paint with a nice shade of magnolia.

fxotoole

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Let's hope wild Bill isn't visiting the white house when that happens.

This isn't fizzling out at all. Kim is finished.

That's what you've been saying for weeks now. But we're now several weeks into this pissing contest and it's still all just name calling and taunting.

Like a couple of drunks threatening each other outside of a pub, with no fight ever breaking out.

It's all bluster.

stevedublin

Evie Big Troop wrote: »

You also seem to have forgotten NK has already directly threatened Jap, SK, and the US with destruction and rather silly comments towards Australia and other regional powers.

I don't see China in that list of countries NK has threatened....

Cheerful Spring

The Crisis is only getting worse. This is exactly what happens when you got two strongmen up against each other. If North Korea goes as far to detonate a nuke in the Pacific ocean, all bets are off. It crazy millions can potentially die because nations are just too stubborn to talk with each other.

Cheerful Spring

Gringo180 wrote: »

Thats ok so. They wont kill the whole 25 million in Korea but they will destroy there countries infastructure (again) and maybe only kill another 5 or 6 million North Koreans along with the millions who will die in Seoul if the Americans attack.

Lot of psychos on boards.ie who don't care, they love bloodshed and death. They think it going to be a cake walk. They forget North Korea took on America and all it's allies, for 3 years in the 50's, before the Chinese stepped in to help. North Korea is a fortress, well defended. Everything useful is underground. This war will not be over quick. Even if it goes nuclear, North Korea has prepared for this. The Americans are selling it's people a false belief this be easy. South Korea and Japan will be destroyed and mostly likely NK missile can hit the United States. Saddam fired 30+ scuds at Saudi Arabia and Israel 1991 and American airpower could not stop it.

4068ac1elhodqr

stevedublin wrote: »

I don't see China in that list of countries NK has threatened....

Correct, neither Iceland or Fiji, what's your point?

But do you think China will send Kimmy a thank you card for inviting multiple deep radar positions up near their border? And later perhaps a newly n-armed Japan or SK in a few years time?

The Chinese have already asked for all these shinny new MD positions to be removed. Some chance.

BoatMad

JC01 wrote: »

WW2 is a direct consequence of the theory of "punishing" countries for previous actions i.e. WW1, that the world actually learned that lesson and didn't repeat the mistakes of Versailles is nothing short of a miracle given human nature.

nothing of the sort occurred, In fact read the elements of the The Morgenthau Plan , that was then changed to the Marshall plan

why was it changed,

The red menace thats what changed everything

had that not been an issue the Germans would have been subject to a brutal de-industrialisation of their country.

BoatMad

South Korea and Japan will be destroyed and mostly likely NK missile can hit the United States. Saddam fired 30+ scuds at Saudi Arabia and Israel 1991 and American airpower could not stop it.

The " trump " card that NK had is the proximity of Seoul, bomb Nk and you consign Seoul to a dustbin. The NKs know Trump is all swagger and bad bluff

hes more likely got bomb nambia !

stevedublin

Evie Big Troop wrote: »

Correct, neither Iceland or Fiji, what's your point?
.

Do Iceland or Fiji look weak then?
My point is that China does not look weak, when NK does not abandon its weapons tests at the request of the US.
Why is this simple concept so difficult for you to understand?

Kermit.de.frog

Be interesting to see if we have another missile launch in the next couple of days or even another nuclear test soon.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Lot of psychos on boards.ie who don't care, they love bloodshed and death. They think it going to be a cake walk. They forget North Korea took on America and all it's allies, for 3 years in the 50's, before the Chinese stepped in to help. North Korea is a fortress, well defended. Everything useful is underground. This war will not be over quick. Even if it goes nuclear, North Korea has prepared for this. The Americans are selling it's people a false belief this be easy. South Korea and Japan will be destroyed and mostly likely NK missile can hit the United States. Saddam fired 30+ scuds at Saudi Arabia and Israel 1991 and American airpower could not stop it.

Your beginning to sound very pro Kim there ,

A historical correction is needed yet again ,

North Korea Invaded the south boyued on by china and russia and physically supported by troops and equipment and aircraft ,
North Korea was pushed back behind the 38th parallel and essentially wiped out till the Chinese army flooded across the boarder and Actually attempted to push into south Korea repeatedly stopped and beaten back ,
Don't know where the previous quoted figures came from but then again it's not the first makey up stuff has been posted here

4068ac1elhodqr

stevedublin wrote: »

Do Iceland or Fiji look weak then?
My point is that China does not look weak, when NK does not abandon its weapons tests at the request of the US. // (i.e. International Community)
Why is this simple concept so difficult for you to understand?

And do Iceland or Fiji have new inward-looking radar and missiles on their doorsteps as a result of Kims actions? Nope.

And will they likely be getting a pair of newly n-capabale neighbours in the coming years as a result of Kim? Nope.

And do they have great influence over NK's actions compared to China? Nope.

Can you not understand the simple theme here in terms of China being a weak influencer and now in a worse position than before all this?

Billy86

flutered wrote: »

Nettle Soup wrote: »

What an idiot Trump is...his presidency will end in a damp squib.
I just hope America can learn to forget their stupidity.

americans like the irish and other nations, can only vote for whats put in fron of him

This ignores that they had people like John Kasich and Bernie Sanders put in front of them.

flutered

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

General Kelly during Trump's speech

there are some sorrowfull unhappy looking folks in that pic, only for the plastic smile wifey would look the same

flutered

Billy86 wrote: »

This ignores that they had people like John Kasich and Bernie Sanders put in front of them.

and what did the political partys do, gobbled them up and stood their candidate(s)

Billy86

flutered wrote: »

and what did the political partys do, gobbled them up and stood their candidate(s)

No, what happened is that the voters did not vote for them and so they did not win the nomination - had either won more votes than Clinton or Trump, they would surely be president right now. A shame because both could have made very good candidates and presidents, but the American public wasn't too interested in that.

BillyBobBS

Good few Kim fans on here it seems. Would you comrades like to live in NK or the US?

BillyBobBS

Billy86 wrote: »

No, what happened is that the voters did not vote for them and so they did not win the nomination - had either won more votes than Clinton or Trump, they would surely be president right now. A shame because both could have made very good candidates and presidents, but the American public wasn't too interested in that.

Trump won. Get over it.