US considering Preemptive Strike against North Korea.

Kermit.de.frog · 01-10-2017 1:55am

somefeen wrote: »

on their way to a scrap heap

haha lol, you sure about your line of thinking there Ted? :pac:

MadYaker · 01-10-2017 2:26am

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

I doubt it. War is inevitable. What can the Americans offer them to stop?

What do you doubt? Are you saying that BBC reporting direct contact between the NK and US governments is false? Why do you think war is inevitable?

I tell you why I think it isn't. Trump is an idiot, but even he knows that he can't fire the first shots, at least not without the consent of the South Koreans and the Chinese, which he will never get. The ball in is NK's court. They are the only ones who can start it. In order to do so they would have to directly strike SK, Japan, or some US target. If they do this they will be totally destroyed in a matter of weeks, Kim Jong Un, all his family and his generals will end up dead. He is well aware of this. I don't believe that he is insane or suicidal. It's international brinkmanship. NK ratchet up the tensions higher and higher and then they agree to row it back in return for concessions. These concessions would likely be in the form of removal of certain sanctions, and probably loads of aid to keep their dysfunctional country afloat. If you think I'm wrong tell me why.

Kermit.de.frog · 01-10-2017 3:32am

MadYaker wrote: »

What do you doubt? Are you saying that BBC reporting direct contact between the NK and US governments is false? Why do you think war is inevitable?

The State Department said NK has no interest in negotiation after Tillerson's comment.

dog_pig · 01-10-2017 3:37am

Gatling wrote: »

And

I'm sure you can figure it out pet

01-10-2017 5:25am

Go to bed ye lot !

MadYaker · 01-10-2017 4:36pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The State Department said NK has no interest in negotiation after Tillerson's comment.

They probably have no interest in full diplomatic negotiations at this time. The point I was making is that the US said there had been back channel communications.

I'm still at a loss as to why some people on ths thread think war is inevitable?

Awesomeness · 01-10-2017 4:48pm

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/914497877543735296

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/914497947517227008

This guy is dangerous

01-10-2017 4:57pm

Who thinks negotiations will work , seriously ? it will just waste more and more time while NK builds much more sophisticated and even deadlier weapons.

Gatling · 01-10-2017 5:18pm

Awesomeness wrote: »

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/914497877543735296

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/914497947517227008

This guy is dangerous

He's flinging tweets .

Probably not at dangerous as the lil kim flinging rocket's left ,right and centre ,

MadYaker · 01-10-2017 5:20pm

You think that's acceptable behaviour from the President of The United States?

His secretary of state is trying to resolve the issue peacefully and then Trump just goes on twitter and tells him not to bother? That's absolutely insane. It's also a two finger salute to his secretary of state and the entire state department who have been working hard to try and avoid a war on the korean peninsuila.

Deleted User wrote: »

Who thinks negotiations will work , seriously ? it will just waste more and more time while NK builds much more sophisticated and even deadlier weapons.

What do you think will work then, if negotiations are a waste of time? They already have a hydrogen bomb and ICBMs that can reach the east coast of the US, their weapons can't get much more advanced.

Curly Judge · 01-10-2017 5:55pm

MadYaker wrote: »

You think that's acceptable behaviour from the President of The United States?

His secretary of state is trying to resolve the issue peacefully and then Trump just goes on twitter and tells him not to bother? That's absolutely insane. It's also a two finger salute to his secretary of state and the entire state department who have been working hard to try and avoid a war on the korean peninsuila.

What do you think will work then, if negotiations are a waste of time? They already have a hydrogen bomb and ICBMs that can reach the east coast of the US, their weapons can't get much more advanced.

I think they are a good way short of that.
That's why Trump is right to squeeze them now and force China into dealing with them before they do reach the capability you describe.
Should have been done years ago!

MadYaker · 01-10-2017 6:26pm

Curly Judge wrote: »

[/B]I think they are a good way short of that.
That's why Trump is right to squeeze them now and force China into dealing with them before they do reach the capability you describe.
Should have been done years ago!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hwasong-14 Not really. The Hwasong-14 missile that they tested is easily able to reach the east coast US, and even further inland.

It sounds to me like Trump's plan is to wait for them to attack something and then respond with force. I don't see why he feels the need to undermine the diplomatic efforts of his secretary of state on twitter though. I really hope the Americans and the rest of the world learn an important lesson from this retard. Don't vote for idiots.

Kermit.de.frog · 01-10-2017 6:39pm

Awesomeness wrote: »

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/914497877543735296

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/914497947517227008

This guy is dangerous

He's a comedian, it's one big comedy act.

Professor Moriarty · 01-10-2017 7:05pm

MadYaker wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hwasong-14 Not really. The Hwasong-14 missile that they tested is easily able to reach the east coast US, and even further inland.

It sounds to me like Trump's plan is to wait for them to attack something and then respond with force. I don't see why he feels the need to undermine the diplomatic efforts of his secretary of state on twitter though. I really hope the Americans and the rest of the world learn an important lesson from this retard. Don't vote for idiots.

It's easy to understand Trump's behaviour when you consider that 40% of the USA's electorate are idiots.

4068ac1elhodqr · 01-10-2017 7:22pm

Think 'little-rocketman' is a registered trademark of some sort. Kim's not really little, sure after all the pies, regularly sets off earthquakes.

somefeen · 01-10-2017 8:04pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

haha lol, you sure about your line of thinking there Ted? :pac:

I never said they were

Kermit.de.frog · 01-10-2017 8:37pm

The Orange buffoon tweets again

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/914565910798782465

Professor Moriarty · 01-10-2017 8:40pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The Orange buffoon tweets again

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/914565910798782465

It's as if they handed the presidency to a 14 year old boy hyped up on Grand Theft Auto and porn.

Kermit.de.frog · 01-10-2017 8:42pm

He says being nice to Rocket Man has not worked in 25 years.

but, but Kim Jong Un was not 10 years of age when he took over.

I guess the nuance is lost.

Kermit.de.frog · 01-10-2017 8:45pm

Then there is this today from the State Dept

https://twitter.com/statedeptspox/status/914557115645202432

They have had nuclear capability for 10 whole years!!

Gatling · 01-10-2017 9:02pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

They have had nuclear capability for 10 whole years!!

But not the ability to get it on to accurate and controllable missles

Kermit.de.frog · 01-10-2017 9:05pm

Gatling wrote: »

But not the ability to get it on to accurate and controllable missles

I imagine that is what is meant but that is not what is said in the tweet.

It's incompetent. Get the message right - basic stuff this administration seems unable to do.

Proof read.

Cheerful Spring · 01-10-2017 9:22pm

Gatling wrote: »

But not the ability to get it on to accurate and controllable missles

What you talking about, North Korea has flown missiles over Japan and landed them in the sea beyond Japan.

Cheerful Spring · 01-10-2017 9:26pm

Awesomeness wrote: »

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/914497877543735296

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/914497947517227008

This guy is dangerous

Not really. If Tillerson believe is Kim will give up nuclear weapons, he probably not the right person, for the job. Trump is not going to negotiate with Kim so i don't see where they can start negotiating in real terms?

Cheerful Spring · 01-10-2017 9:30pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The Orange buffoon tweets again

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/914565910798782465

Trump obviously wants a war. I think he is held back by smart people. South Korea is resistant to a pre-emptive strike.

MadYaker · 01-10-2017 9:31pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Not really. If Tillerson believe is Kim will give up nuclear weapons, he probably not the right person, for the job. Trump is not going to negotiate with Kim so i don't see where they can start negotiating in real terms?

Who said Tillerson believes that NK will give up their nuclear weapons? Literally nobody has ever said that ever. The state dept wouldn't even ask for that in negotiations. We're way past that. They are trying to avoid a war, not get NK to give up their nuclear weapons.

Gatling · 01-10-2017 9:32pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

What you talking about, North Korea has flown missiles over Japan and landed them in the sea beyond Japan.

Only recently and still not the ability to mount a nuke unfortunately ,

Exactly what I'm talking about ,

01-10-2017 9:33pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Trump obviously wants a war. I think he is held back by smart people. South Korea is resistant to a pre-emptive strike.

Trump doesn't want another 911 which Bush failed to stop despite being warned about an attack. This time around the threat is staring the U.S right in the face and people are oblivious to it but the consequences this time will be far more devastating !

Cheerful Spring · 01-10-2017 9:34pm

somefeen wrote: »

No. Anytime I read a news report which got its information from an unnamed source I'm always skeptical. Doesn't matter what publication it is.
It always raises two similar questions for me.

1. Why would someone working in a South Korean intelligence agency go to the press and report something like that. What's their motivation to potentially risk their job so someone can print a short report that is then contradicted by official sources.

2. How can I trust that information when it is vauge, incomplete and can't be verified with any other supporting evidence. There's nothing else there to back it up.

Even if the source was real and authentic then all the story says is that they've moved some missiles and nothing about where they are going. They could be going to be stored somewhere out of the way, on their way to a scrap heap or to a launch site.

Given the alarmist atmosphere around this whole debacle I'm wary of stuff like this.

Are you expecting a intelligence leak to be attributed to a real person? This not how things work.

I do agree moving missiles is not any indication a ICBM is about to be launched. It just a move that can be a sign they may launch a missile in the future?

Cheerful Spring · 01-10-2017 9:38pm

Gatling wrote: »

Only recently and still not the ability to mount a nuke unfortunately ,

Exactly what I'm talking about ,

How do you know this wizard? There is many reasons why they have not tested a landbased nuke yet ( fallout the main reason) They can fire a legit nuke right now i bet a million dollars on it.

US considering Preemptive Strike against North Korea.

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