US considering Preemptive Strike against North Korea.

Zebra3

Gatling wrote: »

Totally agree your just a anti america propagandist


But hey

Way to ignore the US war crimes that weren’t sanctioned by Congress.

Says a lot about you that somebody pointing out horrific crimes is seen as anti-American.

4068ac1elhodqr

x10 countries to join SK's 10 vessels playing 'find the mine' for a week from tomorrow:
UK, USA, South Africa, New Zealand, Japan, Canada, Thailand, Turkey, Australia and the Philippines.

Gatling

Evie Big Troop wrote: »

x10 countries to join SK's 10 vessels playing 'find the mine' for a week from tomorrow:
UK, USA, South Africa, New Zealand, Japan, Canada, Thailand, Turkey, Australia and the Philippines.

Turkey is odd considering the current diplomatic relations between them and the US the last two weeks

MadYaker

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

America is engaged in war against Yemen and Congress has not given it's approval. Trump also send troops to Syria and he did not seek Congress approval. Trump does not need congress to have a war. He can launch a preemptive strike if he desires. Trump will likely just inform politicians republicans and democrats he is about to do this and this will be enough for him to get away with it. I not saying he not ask for congress approval, but if he does this, the North Koreans will know his coming to attack them. What likely to happen Trump will try taking out NK missile tests in the near future, thus kick starting a war.

America is at war with Yemen? Now you're just making stuff up. There is a civil war happening in Yemen. There is a Saudi led coalition helping the Yemeni government. The US have supported this coalition. They are not at war with Yemen. The Yemeni gov asked Obama for help, he provided it and Trump has continued to provide it, there are a small number of Troops on the ground but they are there at the request of the government, its not an invasion.

The situation in Syria is totally different to anything that is likely to develop in North Korea. The USA never invaded Syria. They supported insurgents in an attempt to remove Assad from power but it didn't work and the mess we have today developed. Now their involvement in Syria is focused on destroying ISIS, they have troops there in areas controlled by the rebels they are supporting in the fight against ISIS. They never formally declared war on anyone.

There are no warring factions or rebels that the US can support in North Korea in an attempt to destabilize the government like they did in Syria and many other countries. So if Trump wants to go in without NK first attacking or declaring war on the US or it's allies it will require congressional approval.

Yes he could launch nukes and that's his call to make. But even he isn't that crazy.

Gringo180

Zebra3 wrote: »

Way to ignore the US war crimes that weren’t sanctioned by Congress.

Says a lot about you that somebody pointing out horrific crimes is seen as anti-American.

A bomb dropped in Laos every 8 minutes for 10 years. A 10th of there population wiped out and still to this day innocent people are been killed or maimed by unexploded American bombs. My god.

Is it any wonder on most international polls conducted America is deemed the number one threat to world peace.

fxotoole

MadYaker wrote: »

I'm not talking about a nuclear response. I'm talking about a declaration of war. If you think Trump is going to go on a solo run and launch nukes without NK doing it first you're dreaming.

Technically the US is still at war with NK, so no declaration of war is required, I believe.

But you're right. It would be extremely unlikely for Trump to just launch a nuke out of the blue. He'd have to wait for NK to attack first. Which is NEVER going to happen.

jonnybegood

https://twitter.com/donlav/status/918393423169769472

MadYaker

fxotoole wrote: »

Technically the US is still at war with NK, so no declaration of war is required, I believe.

But you're right. It would be extremely unlikely for Trump to just launch a nuke out of the blue. He'd have to wait for NK to attack first. Which is NEVER going to happen.

The Korean War was/is between North and South Korea. The UN command, which uncluded the USA, fought on the South Korean side and both sides signed the armistice agreement which put an end to combat. As far as I know this means that since the USA itself wasn't technically at war with NK no state of war exists between them.

If what you say is true then Luxembourg are also still at war with NK since they were also part of the UN coalition, along with a load of other countries.

end of the road

Gatling wrote: »

Totally agree your just a anti america propagandist


But hey

he isn't no . he is just giving some facts. giving facts isn't anti-anything or propagandist.

Gatling

Gringo180 wrote: »

A bomb dropped in Laos every 8 minutes for 10 years. A 10th of there population wiped out and still to this day

Like the population of NK wiped out completely 3 times over according to some ,

SeanW

fxotoole wrote: »

Technically the US is still at war with NK, so no declaration of war is required, I believe.

But you're right. It would be extremely unlikely for Trump to just launch a nuke out of the blue. He'd have to wait for NK to attack first. Which is NEVER going to happen.

That's what they said about the Nazis invading Poland ...

Gringo180

Gatling wrote: »

Like the population of NK wiped out completely 3 times over according to some ,

So your saying its all lies about the Americans aerial bombardment of Laos?

fxotoole

SeanW wrote: »

That's what they said about the Nazis invading Poland ...

You've just invoked Godwin's Law. Well done, you.

BillyBobBS

Reading the Americans have sent a second aircraft carrier with 8k on board to the region. Fat Kim's clock is running down.

Zebra3

Gringo180 wrote: »

A bomb dropped in Laos every 8 minutes for 10 years. A 10th of there population wiped out and still to this day innocent people are been killed or maimed by unexploded American bombs. My god.

Is it any wonder on most international polls conducted America is deemed the number one threat to world peace.

Careful now you big anti-American bigot.

You mustn't ruin things for those who live in LaLaLand who think the US has the right to do whatever it wants.

You must focus on the violence of others and not of the US and its lackeys.

Gringo180

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Reading the Americans have sent a second aircraft carrier with 8k on board to the region. Fat Kim's clock is running down.

You seem hell bent on Donald Grump initiating the first attack on North Korea that will end up starting a thermal nuclear war and possibly the end of mankind as we know it.

The guise of toppling the North Korean regime to somewhat liberate there people would be somewhat believable if the Americans didnt prop up the worst regime on the face of the planet.

4068ac1elhodqr

Gringo180 wrote: »

...that will end up starting a thermal nuclear war and possibly the end of mankind as we know it.

exaggeration
ɪɡˌzadʒəˈreɪʃ(ə)n/
noun: exaggeration; plural noun: exaggerations
1. a statement that represents something as better or worse than it really is.

You sound like someone who was expecting this week's asteroid to actually touch down, or Yellowstone/Canaria to blow this week.

Gringo180 wrote: »

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The guise of toppling the North Korean regime to somewhat liberate there people would be somewhat believable if the Americans didn't prop up the worst regime on the face of the planet.

Quite simply if NK is allowed to continue unchallenged, you will see N-armed SK and Japan very shortly, then Aus & Can.

Then you will also see some despots following fat Kim's example, take your pick from e.g. Iran, Libya, Venezuela. Basically anyone, anywhere.

end of the road

Evie Big Troop wrote: »

exaggeration
ɪɡˌzadʒəˈreɪʃ(ə)n/
noun: exaggeration; plural noun: exaggerations
1. a statement that represents something as better or worse than it really is.

You sound like someone who was expecting this week's asteroid to actually touch down, or Yellowstone/Canaria to blow this week.



Quite simply if NK is allowed to continue unchallenged, you will see N-armed SK and Japan very shortly, then Aus & Can.

Then you will also see some despots following fat Kim's example, take your pick from e.g. Iran, Libya, Venezuela. Basically anyone, anywhere.

that was the can of worms opened by america and others when they acquired nuclear weapons. they don't get to dictate to others whether they have them or not, until they get rid of theirs.

cnocbui

end of the road wrote: »

that was the can of worms opened by america and others when they acquired nuclear weapons. they don't get to dictate to others whether they have them or not, until they get rid of theirs.

Sorry, quite the reverse, they get to dictate precisely because they have them.

Cheerful Spring

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Reading the Americans have sent a second aircraft carrier with 8k on board to the region. Fat Kim's clock is running down.

General Kelly confirmed the red line with North Korea is when they can demonstrate the ability to hit the continental United States with a ICBM. At the moment. They don't believe North Korea can do this. Soon as the North Koreans prove they can war starts. Trump may start a war before this stage, but this seems to be thinking right now, wait and see posture. In someways this can be foolish waiting for your enemy to be stronger than you believe they are now!

Cheerful Spring

MadYaker wrote: »

America is at war with Yemen? Now you're just making stuff up. There is a civil war happening in Yemen. There is a Saudi led coalition helping the Yemeni government. The US have supported this coalition. They are not at war with Yemen. The Yemeni gov asked Obama for help, he provided it and Trump has continued to provide it, there are a small number of Troops on the ground but they are there at the request of the government, its not an invasion.

The situation in Syria is totally different to anything that is likely to develop in North Korea. The USA never invaded Syria. They supported insurgents in an attempt to remove Assad from power but it didn't work and the mess we have today developed. Now their involvement in Syria is focused on destroying ISIS, they have troops there in areas controlled by the rebels they are supporting in the fight against ISIS. They never formally declared war on anyone.

There are no warring factions or rebels that the US can support in North Korea in an attempt to destabilize the government like they did in Syria and many other countries. So if Trump wants to go in without NK first attacking or declaring war on the US or it's allies it will require congressional approval.

Yes he could launch nukes and that's his call to make. But even he isn't that crazy.

Maybe read about the war in Yemen. Guardian is a right wing newspaper so you can't make the excuse i picked a news piece that sides with me!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/16/third-of-saudi-airstrikes-on-yemen-have-hit-civilian-sites-data-shows

More than one-third of all Saudi-led air raids on Yemen have hit civilian sites, such as school buildings, hospitals, markets, mosques and economic infrastructure, according to the most comprehensive survey of the conflict.

The findings, revealed by the Guardian on Friday, contrast with claims by the Saudi government, backed by its US and British allies, that Riyadh is seeking to minimise civilian casualties.

The survey, conducted by the Yemen Data Project, a group of academics, human rights organisers and activists, will add to mounting pressure in the UK and the US on the Saudi-led coalition, which is facing accusations of breaching international humanitarian law.

4068ac1elhodqr

end of the road wrote: »

that was the can of worms opened by america and others when they acquired nuclear weapons. they don't get to dictate to others whether they have them or not, until they get rid of theirs.

It was simply a technological inevitability, much of the technology was taken directly from the Nazis after they were defeated. It was also inevitable against the growth of the only other superpower: USSR, whom still have more missiles than anyone else.

It's not a question of removal, but limitation.

Certainly a small corrupt nation such as NK should not have them when they can't even feed their own population via 'food or facts'.

Gringo180

Evie Big Troop wrote: »

Certainly a small corrupt nation such as NK should not have them when they can't even feed their own population via 'food or facts'.

NK has nuclear weapons as a deterrent. They will never be used as a first strike unless they are invaded. Thats straight from the horses mouth.

By the way America spends over 600 billion on military all the while 15% of there population live in poverty. The U.S are under no financial or trade sanctions that effect there economy while North Korea is.

Gringo180

Evie Big Troop wrote: »

Quite simply if NK is allowed to continue unchallenged, you will see N-armed SK and Japan very shortly, then Aus & Can.

Then you will also see some despots following fat Kim's example, take your pick from e.g. Iran, Libya, Venezuela. Basically anyone, anywhere.

They already have nuclear weapons and theres nothing the Americans or anyone can do about it unless they want to bring us into a nuclear winter. There country wont be destroyed by the bully boy yanks again.

end of the road

cnocbui wrote: »

Sorry, quite the reverse, they get to dictate precisely because they have them.

no they think they get to dictate but they actually don't. they have no moral or legal authority to dictate while they have such weapons.

Evie Big Troop wrote: »

It was simply a technological inevitability, much of the technology was taken directly from the Nazis after they were defeated. It was also inevitable against the growth of the only other superpower: USSR, whom still have more missiles than anyone else.

It's not a question of removal, but limitation.

Certainly a small corrupt nation such as NK should not have them when they can't even feed their own population via 'food or facts'.

no country should have such weapons but if some countries can, then all countries can. it's as simple as that.

RustyNut

mini_Sapphire wrote: »

The US should take Kims regime out & unite the peninsula... only a matter of time now I would say.

The North Koreans have suffered unimaginably... time to give them a taste of freedom & democracy.

That's right , bomb them to freedom and democracy. It worked out so well in Iraq.

DEFTLEFTHAND

mini_Sapphire wrote: »

The US should take Kims regime out & unite the peninsula... only a matter of time now I would say.

The North Koreans have suffered unimaginably... time to give them a taste of freedom & democracy.

It's not America's responsibility. The citizens are the only ones who can topple the Communist regime.

Creative83

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

It's not America's responsibility. The citizens are the only ones who can topple the Communist regime.

It became Americas responsibility as soon as Kims regime threatened them with Nuclear weapons. Kim is poking the bear now.

Gringo180

mini_Sapphire wrote: »

The North Koreans have suffered unimaginably... time to give them a taste of freedom & democracy.

Lol

RustyNut

mini_Sapphire wrote: »

Iraq was a completely different objective... getting oil out of the hands of a tin-pot dictator... that was the war aim.

I taught it was to prevent the Saddam reigeim from using their WMD's. Or was that just a lie that the thieving terrorist American government made up?