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US considering Preemptive Strike against North Korea.

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    #392
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    PREG1967 wrote: »
    THAADilbe the last time Kim gets a missile into the sky
    This assumes that the US is willing to shoot down the next test launch, but will they?


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    #393
    Gatling
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    PREG1967 wrote: »
    THAAD

    Except china and russia said​ they would prevent the use of THAAD against​ targets
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    #394
    PREG1967
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    Gatling wrote: »
    Except china and russia said​ they would prevent the use of THAAD against​ targets

    the launchers are already in SK, how will they stop the system from being rolled out?


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    #395
    Gatling
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    PREG1967 wrote: »
    the launchers are already in SK, how will they stop the system from being rolled out?

    Likely either through electronic means ie jamming or trying to shoot down the THAAD missles themselves once in North Korean airspace ,
    Or making threats to do so
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    #396
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    Gatling wrote: »
    Except china and russia said​ they would prevent the use of THAAD against​ targets
    THAAD is a defensive system, not offensive.
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    #397
    PREG1967
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    Gatling wrote: »
    Likely either through electronic means ie jamming or trying to shoot down the THAAD missles themselves once in North Korean airspace ,
    Or making threats to do so

    ok your scenario:
    1. NK fire another test missile
    2. SK/USA fire THAAD projectile to intercept NK missile
    3. China/Russia intercept the interceptor before it intercepts the NK test missile (which will probably have failed beforehand anyway)

    fantastical fantasy


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    #398
    Gatling
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    PREG1967 wrote: »
    ok your scenario:
    1. NK fire another test missile
    2. SK/USA fire THAAD projectile to intercept NK missile
    3. China/Russia intercept the interceptor before it intercepts the NK test missile (which will probably have failed beforehand anyway)

    fantastical fantasy

    Unfortunately it's not fantasy it's real scenario
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    #399
    PREG1967
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    Gatling wrote: »
    Unfortunately it's not fantasy it's real scenario

    what technology do you think that chinese/russia have to reach the NK theatre just in time to intercept a THAAD projectile?


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    #400
    Gatling
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    PREG1967 wrote: »
    what technology do you think that chinese/russia have to reach the NK theatre just in time to intercept a THAAD projectile?

    They have they own systems they also have aircraft it's hardly rocket science to figure out
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    #401
    Gatling
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    THAAD is a defensive system, not offensive.
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    You know that,i know that even the Chinese know that ,
    That doesn't add stop their retoric towards the system,
    It's like listening to pro russian poster claim they have a offensive nuclear capability
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    #402
    PREG1967
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    Gatling wrote: »
    They have they own systems they also have aircraft it's hardly rocket science to figure out

    they have their own systems and aircraft yes but none will be employed to defend NK missile


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    Discodog
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    PREG1967 wrote: »
    they have their own systems and aircraft yes but none will be employed to defend NK missile

    I very much doubt that they would even see the THAAD let alone intercept it. The US could just deny it & say that it must be another of the 85% failures.

    If you consider what was done, by cyber attack to Iran, NK is a very easy target especially as their military will totally underestimate the opposition. Tens of thousands of invaders used to be a threat, now they are just an easy target.


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    #404
    XsApollo
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    How would thaad shoot a missile that isn't anywhere near it?
    The Russians or Chinese wouldn't be able to stop a THAAD missile either.
    The object would be closer to THAAD than the thing trying to stop a THAAD missile
    Distances are too great.


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    #405
    Discodog
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    XsApollo wrote: »
    How would thaad shoot a missile that isn't anywhere near it?
    The Russians or Chinese wouldn't be able to stop a THAAD missile either.
    The object would be closer to THAAD than the thing trying to stop a THAAD missile
    Distances are too great.

    They have missiles in the US fleet that would take it down soon after launch.


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    #406
    XsApollo
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    Discodog wrote: »
    They have missiles in the US fleet that would take it down soon after launch.

    I'm sure they do,
    They are talking about THAAD .


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    #407
    Discodog
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    Obvious thing would be to let them launch & then hack it to land on China :pac:


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    #408
    keeponhurling
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    China of course don't want US military technology on its doorstep.
    But South Korea would defend itself if fired upon, naturally.

    China isn't going to shoot down a missile over Korea just to ensure Seoul gets hit.
    Neither would Russia obviously, a mad suggestion.


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    #409
    keeponhurling
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    Or back from where it was launched from


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    keeponhurling
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    Discodog wrote: »
    Obvious thing would be to let them launch & then hack it to land on China :pac:
    Or back from where it was launched from


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    The_Valeyard
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    Discodog wrote: »
    Obvious thing would be to let them launch & then hack it to land on China :pac:

    That is brilliant.


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    #412
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    NK turn up the heat, when will Trump's fuse blow?
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39623882
    North Korea will continue to test missiles despite international condemnation and increasing military tensions with the United States, a senior official has told the BBC.

    "We'll be conducting more missile tests on a weekly, monthly and yearly basis," Vice Foreign Minister Han Song-Ryol told the BBC's John Sudworth in Pyongyang.

    He said that an "all out war" would result if the US was "reckless enough to use military means".


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    #413
    Gatling
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    NK turn up the heat, when will Trump's fuse blow?

    All out war, do those behind them not realise they can only loose unless they are expecting hundreds of thousands of Chinese military forces are going to arrive and save them again!

    Pushing Trump can only go one way
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    #414
    A Little Pony
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    The aura of NK is probably a bigger threat than the reality if the weekend attempt to launch a missile is anything to go by.


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    #415
    PREG1967
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    Gatling wrote: »
    All out war, do those behind them not realise they can only loose unless they are expecting hundreds of thousands of Chinese military forces are going to arrive and save them again!

    Pushing Trump can only go one way

    lose they will but seoul will be soulless after any war


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    #416
    sjb25
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    Interesting to see who may blink first


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    #417
    Gatling
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    PREG1967 wrote: »
    lose they will but seoul will be soulless after any war

    Oh dear.....
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    #418
    The_Valeyard
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    I'd say Xi Jinping is banging his head off a table looking at the North Koreans and shouting "would ye ever shut up, dont make me come over there"


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    #419
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    If it came to a war now, it would be short and swift and North Korea would lose. However there would be thousands of casualties in the South and the US would have had to use overkill to silence the Norths artillery, causing high civilian casualties.

    Dealing with the population afterwards would be tricky and a huge expense. Maybe the best way would be to keep the NK population in the dark, tell them they won the war but sadly Kim got killed but has been replaced Kim II... or maybe hire a double like Sadam did to take over :) Since they'll 'win' the war they can 'negotiate' assistance from the Americans and the other powers :))

    Keeping China on side will be poliically expensive.


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    #420
    Discodog
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    PREG1967 wrote: »
    lose they will but seoul will be soulless after any war

    I wouldn't be so sure. If the Americans were to act they would probably have every gun capable of reaching Seoul targeted. They could launch a huge missile strike & combined with airpower, knock out most of the artillery before they could fire a shot. Especially as the commanders will need authority & only one man can give it. It would be shock & awe but on a scale not seen before. The ground attack aircraft, Apaches etc would have a field day.

    Kim's communications would be useless. He would have no idea what was happening. The great thing about dictators is they rarely follow the advice of their military.


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    #421
    Samaris
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    With NK pretty much holding SK at gunpoint, it's been a forty (?) year hostage negotiation with three generations of nutters. Problem is, he absolutely would blow up the hostage if he feels threatened and everyone knows it. Madman theory's worked for NK so far, so why stop a good thing.

    I honestly think the only way this is going to end is an uprising, probably due to hunger. It's going to be awful and messy and have a high casualty count, but it's about the only way I see it ending without Seoul in ruins.

    This is one of the cases where I think intervention is justified - they are holding another country under threat so they can raise the firepower to put other countries under threat. Unfortunately, damned if I can see a way to intervene that doesn't make it all kick off.

    Edit: You might be right there, Discodog, I don't know if they can target all of them, or even enough to ensure Seoul doesn't come under heavy fire. There's a hell of a lot of them. But it's some risk to take with South Korean lives unless everyone is absolutely sure that all hell is otherwise going to break loose.


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