US considering Preemptive Strike against North Korea.

SeanW

BoatMad wrote: »

Aggressive commies , wow , are we back in the era of McCarthyism and " unamerican activities "

All I see in China is the rise of a huge middle class and the desire of a superpower To " stretch " it's sphere of influence , god knows the US has been at it since the 1900s.

Right. No aggressive Commies then. Tell that to the Tibetans. No cultural genocide there? Or the people of East Turkestan. Or the Falun Gong practitioners.

Or, for that matter, every country that has China trying to steal their land or water (Japan, The Philippines, India, Bhutan, Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, Brunei, maybe one or two others).

Oh and not to mention they are directly responsible for North Korea.

Nothing to see here ...

BoJack Horseman

BoatMad wrote: »

All I see in China is the rise of a huge middle class and the desire of a superpower To " stretch " it's sphere of influence.

"Lebensraum" is I believe what the appeasers referred to it

Move along... nothing to see here... damn those dastardly democracies!

Curly Judge

Evie Big Troop wrote: »

Japan’s Abe is set for landslide win (estimate:311/465), as Japan votes under North Korea threats.

A "super-majority" would allow Abe to ‘propose changes’ to the current pacifist constitution, that forces it to ‘renounce war’ and currently limits its military to a self-defense role.

A more equitable balance of power in that area between Japan and China might be a good idea?
Who's for Japan having their own nuclear arsenal?

4068ac1elhodqr

Curly Judge wrote: »

A more equitable balance of power in that area between Japan and China might be a good idea?
Who's for Japan having their own nuclear arsenal?

Think it's not an if, but a when (along with SK). One Seer I follow reckoned some time ago this will happen on a leasehold basis (not cheap), he also thinks big Kim will be pushed from power between Dec-Jan.

Can't help thinking China's stance has backfired somewhat: not only have they got x3 carriers in the West Pacific, subs, new deep radar and now probably shortly two additional newly n-armed neighbours.

flaneur

It seems a tunnel at the North Korean nuclear test site has collapsed, killing up to 200 people.

http://in.reuters.com/article/north-korea-missiles-tunnel/tunnel-collapse-may-have-killed-200-after-n-korea-nuclear-test-japanese-broadcaster-idINKBN1D01A0

I wonder if this might be someone putting them out of business - E.g. maybe China?

Although, it is dangerous technology and there were predictions from China that the region was seismically unstable and unsuitable for this kind of activity and that exactly this could happen.

Kermit.de.frog

What a lovely regime.

fxotoole

flaneur wrote: »

It seems a tunnel at the North Korean nuclear test site has collapsed, killing up to 200 people.

http://in.reuters.com/article/north-korea-missiles-tunnel/tunnel-collapse-may-have-killed-200-after-n-korea-nuclear-test-japanese-broadcaster-idINKBN1D01A0

I wonder if this might be someone putting them out of business - E.g. maybe China?

Although, it is dangerous technology and there were predictions from China that the region was seismically unstable and unsuitable for this kind of activity and that exactly this could happen.

As if this wasn't bad enough, there's radiation leaking from the collapsed mountainside, which is sure to cause decades of health and environmental issues for the people in the area.

Ipso

Looks like they don't have a cheerful spring ahead of them.

flaneur

fxotoole wrote: »

As if this wasn't bad enough, there's radiation leaking from the collapsed mountainside, which is sure to cause decades of health and environmental issues for the people in the area.

Which is precisely what China warned was a risk a few weeks ago.

Elmer Blooker

flaneur wrote: »

It seems a tunnel at the North Korean nuclear test site has collapsed, killing up to 200 people.

... and this country is a "threat" to US security?
If it wasn't so tragic it would be laughable.

BillyBobBS

flaneur wrote: »

Which is precisely what China warned was a risk a few weeks ago.

And did the square root of dick about it. The Chinese had the power and ability to end this years ago and stood by and even encouraged it because of the big overall power play with the US.

The chickens are coming home to roost.

Cheerful Spring

South Korea has seen activity that may indicate a possible new missile test?

http://nypost.com/2017/11/02/north-korean-missile-site-active-ahead-of-trump-visit-to-south/

Cheerful Spring

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

... and this country is a "threat" to US security?
If it wasn't so tragic it would be laughable.

North Korea denied this report and said it was false. Could be true still, but i not putting any money on it.

Timberrrrrrrr

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

North Korea denied this report and said it was false. Could be true still, but i not putting any money on it.

Of course they have denied it! Are you saying it hasnt happened?

aloyisious

Things should be interesting with Don visiting South Korea on the 7th & 8th. It'll be a godsend for N/K propoganda.

CNN quoting a U.S official: North Korea working on "advanced" ICBM carrying a miniaturized warhead capable of reaching the US. No more detail is provided in the report. Also Japanese fighter jets flying over the peninsula, nothing really unusual with Sth Korean & US fighters doing the same, given their alliance.

fxotoole

Sure it'll be grand. John Halligan TD is going to sort this whole mess out:

http://www.thejournal.ie/john-halligan-north-korea-visits-3677756-Nov2017/

Kivaro

Is there any chance of the US implementing that first strike when our three idiots are there?

Jesus wept. Who's paying for this trip?
Halligan and Ross are utter wasters.

fxotoole

Halligan says they'll pay for it themselves out of their own pockets, and that they'll be going there in their capacity as private citizens.


Here's the thing though - by definition, as elected representatives, they are taxpayer funded and government representatives. So they can't claim to be doing this off their own bat.

Then there's the fact that they are essentially subverting the Dept of Foreign Affairs and deciding govt policy without consulting with the Minister for Foreign Affairs or the Taoiseach. I can't see Varadkar or Coveney being the least bit impressed by this.

ohnonotgmail

fxotoole wrote: »

Halligan says they'll pay for it themselves out of their own pockets, and that they'll be going there in their capacity as private citizens.


Here's the thing though - by definition, as elected representatives, they are taxpayer funded and government representatives. So they can't claim to be doing this off their own bat.

Then there's the fact that they are essentially subverting the Dept of Foreign Affairs and deciding govt policy without consulting with the Minister for Foreign Affairs or the Taoiseach. I can't see Varadkar or Coveney being the least bit impressed by this.

they said they would go during their holidays. It'll be grand

Kermit.de.frog

fxotoole wrote: »

Sure it'll be grand. John Halligan TD is going to sort this whole mess out:

http://www.thejournal.ie/john-halligan-north-korea-visits-3677756-Nov2017/

Jesus Christ, i'd pay our politicians to stop making fools out of us.

There literally is no Father Ted gif, image or meme that goes far enough with this one.

Kermit.de.frog

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Jesus Christ, i'd pay our politicians to stop making fools out of us.

There literally is no Father Ted gif, image or meme that goes far enough with this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJhbP4q32vs

"Ride then sideways was another one" but I don't think that would work!

Kermit.de.frog

Closer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beN7FftWNCM

Ipso

Sometimes the work camps don't sound so bad.

Kermit.de.frog

South Korean Intel agency has detected activity at a site in the North consistent with a coming missile launch...

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/04/trump-asia-trip-north-korea-244541

aloyisious

One hopes that if a missile is test-launched by N/K over the next few days it isn't over Japanese territory, though I reckon N/K would want that to be in peoples minds.

Edward M

With Trump at the helm I believe its a possibility.
This one could be devastating if it happens.
https://m.independent.ie/world-news/ground-invasion-only-way-to-tackle-north-koreas-nuclear-weapons-program-pentagon-36290767.html

Are Am Eye

Kim Jong's unfortunate habit of trying to skip the queue in the barbers is really going to cause something to kick off one of these days. He'll start sh1t but someone else will finish it.

flaneur

My concern is that Trump's domestic political problems could cause him to push towards a war to deflect attention.

Kermit.de.frog

Already a big thread on this, OP.

branie2

It could happen