US considering Preemptive Strike against North Korea.

Noddyholder

archer22 wrote: »

China does not give a fock about America and will not be dictated to by them..if it comes to war they will support North Korea.

And China has the technology to sink that piddly little carrier group in a few hours

Really :rolleyes::rolleyes: Do you really think there going to do that or is your obvious anti US stance blinding you from reality.

Piddly little carrier group You haven't a clue mate, good luck chairman archer.

Noddyholder

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Syria is a hotbed at the minute too. Trump is picking too many fights.

None of these :fights: are new , But instead of just ignoring them & letting them kindle, there is a new approach, like he said there would be. Whether it works or not I don't know, but there will be an outcome.

archer22

archer22 wrote: »

You most certainly are not...judging by posts I have seen on foreign websites, it looks like a large proportion of humanity hopes he gives the orange clowns thugs a hiding.

A classic case of "An enemy of my enemy is my friend!", dangerous thinking at it's worst.

Dubh Linn

Can Trump not just invade Syria and get it over and done with?

Noddyholder

Dubh Linn wrote: »

Let's see, Trump's hit list at the moment:

Assad
Kim
Putin
ISIS

What else?

But according to folks here a month ago putin was his friend & ally who helped get him elected

Noddyholder

Dubh Linn wrote: »

Can Trump not just invade Syria and get it over and done with?

Get what over & done with, The middle east has been in uproar since the end of ww2.

Dubh Linn

I would say that Trump could just nuke the entire place but...

skankkuvhima

Noddyholder wrote: »

But according to folks here a month ago putin was his friend & ally who helped get him elected

Ya I thought the same? I wonder were those folks full of BS?

Dubh Linn

Like I said, somebody needs to take action on NK.

wes

North Korea would almost immediately wipe Seoul out with conventional weapons. So a pre-emptive strikes could only really be justified if North Korea were about to attack. A nuclear test, which have happened before, isn't really reason enought to start another Korean war.

Dubh Linn

Yes, but the US has enough nuclear power to wipe out the whole Korean peninsula 3 times over, so if they are able to wipe out a whole region of a province in Afghanistan, they are able to destroy Kim before he has the chance to even react to the US strikes.

wes

Dubh Linn wrote: »

Yes, but the US has enough nuclear power to wipe out the whole Korean peninsula 3 times over, so if they are able to wipe out a whole region of a province in Afghanistan, they are able to destroy Kim before he has the chance to even react to the US strikes.

The second the North saw the missiles coming they would let loose with there own arsenal. Using Nukes is a very dangerous game.

Gatling

wes wrote: »

The second the North saw the missiles coming they would let loose with there own arsenal. Using Nukes is a very dangerous game.

Chances are the missles and bombs will be exploding on targets before they know anything about it

CoolHandBandit

Chilli Mojito wrote: »

Time for Trump to wipe North Korea off the map.

Dont be silly. North Korean people are proberly sound its just their leadership are scumbags. Why make the ordinary folk suffer any more than they already do.

The_Valeyard

Doesn't this threat of war and mass destruction occur every March/April?

Although this year does seem even more tense and dangerous.

Dubh Linn

All I'm saying is, Kim Jong-un has his finger on a red button, and so does Trump, as far as I'm concerned.

Shurimgreat

I think if Korea and their spoiled brat leader continue on the same track to nuclear weapons, then a pre-emptive strike becomes inevitable.

A nuclear armed North Korea would be a disaster for the region.

The NK regime has an abysmal human rights record and is only defended at this point by China and the usual lefty loonies who'd have no problem seeing NK as a nuclear state.

Shurimgreat

CoolHandBandit wrote: »

Dont be silly. North Korean people are proberly sound its just their leadership are scumbags. Why make the ordinary folk suffer any more than they already do.

Agreed. But these days if you were to take out their leader with a precision strike there would be wails of protest about regime change.

If ever there was a need for regime change however, its NK.

buried

The stretched twig of peace is at melting point

Gatling

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Although this year does seem even more tense and dangerous.

The last 2 years with NK have been getting more tense than ever ,the leadership seems be suicidal and want to take their loyal followers with them

Dubh Linn

They say the Korean war ended in the 50's. In my opinion, it is still ongoing.

Wanderer78

Dubh Linn wrote:

All I'm saying is, Kim Jong-un has his finger on a red button, and so does Trump, as far as I'm concerned.

Trump does not have direct access to 'the button', there's a process which includes a couple of layers of decision makers before nuclear detonation

Gatling

Dubh Linn wrote: »

They say the Korean war ended in the 50's. In my opinion, it is still ongoing.

The NK are still in war mode the war didn't end for them,
South Korea and China ened it and got​ on with life

Dubh Linn

Would a ground invasion by the US be an option? With the help of China and S Korea of course? What about an aerial bombardment? Or is N Korea effectively untouchable?

Imallrightjack

Surely there is some way to send in a guy to put a bullet in kims head.then get on a plane and put another bullet in assads head.surely it s not just in the movies that it can be done.

Gatling

Dubh Linn wrote: »

Would a ground invasion by the US be an option? With the help of China and S Korea of course?

Several miles of mine fields would need to be cleared and then by pass various other defenses before they could move forward ,

Dubh Linn

The person who puts a bullet through Kim's or Assad's head, or better still, both, deserves a medal at the least and a whole lot of other things as well.

wes

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Agreed. But these days if you were to take out their leader with a precision strike there would be wails of protest about regime change.

No real issue with NK regime being gotten rid of, but does anyone actually think that Trump has a plan? Getting rid of the regime, without a plan, would be a disaster.

tbayers

Dubh Linn wrote: »

If the US does launch a strike on N Korea, which, given their "successful" mission in Afghanistan yesterday, could work out, what would happen in the immediate aftermath. Nuclear war, maybe? How likely is it at this moment that the US will hit North Korea?

The fact that the whole point of the pre emptive strike will be to take out their nuclear capabilities, I imagine the threat will be slim! Chances of USA hitting NK arent slim in my opinion, will take very little effort to cause a lot of damage to NK and it will get rid of their threat quite quickly!

Gatling

wes wrote: »

No real issue with NK regime being gotten rid of, but does anyone actually think that Trump has a plan? Getting rid of the regime, without a plan, would be a disaster.

Likely it would be down to South Korea to run the show and unify the country ,it's not going be Iraq / Afghanistan situation

Dubh Linn

Trump has a plan alright. But the question is, will he carry it out. There is nothing pre-emptive about this whole issue. Either Trump will blow the bejaysus out of NK or they will blow the bejaysus out of someone else. It's quite simple.

wes

Gatling wrote: »

Likely it would be down to South Korea to run the show and unify the country ,it's not going be Iraq / Afghanistan situation

Long term yes, that would be the case, but the South would likely be a mess and need a lot of aid to handle the North. So, there would need to be a plan from the US and the South. Does such a plan exist? I know there is a ministry in the South for unification, so lets hope if regime change does happen, that they have there **** together.

tbayers

archer22 wrote: »

Silane wrote: »

He made a point in Syria, that chemical weapons wouldn't be tolerated. It was a measured response, Russia were warned in advance to avoid casualties, I think that was a smart, reasonable thing to do. It made the point effectively, drew attention to the issue, but didn't draw the US into the wider conflict.

Here again with NK, now is the time to stop this lunatic, and the US response is drawing China in to correct it. There's a carrier strike group heading to NK, not an invasion force, maybe nothing will come of it, but the point is made that China need to act one way or another now.

China does not give a fock about America and will not be dictated to by them..if it comes to war they will support North Korea.

And China has the technology to sink that piddly little carrier group in a few hours

Of course they care if America starts a war with Korea, the amount of civilians fleeing to the boarder will be untold. The reason China have deployed 150,000 troops is to contain the inevitable influx of North Koreans that will come if missiles start flying!

Dubh Linn

Does NK have a chemical weapons arsenal, just out of curiosity?

_Kaiser_

The bomb yesterday in Afghanistan was a test and a warning IMO. Any damage to terrorists was a bonus, but I think the real intent was to signal capabilities and willingness to use them to both NK and China.

Shurimgreat

wes wrote: »

No real issue with NK regime being gotten rid of, but does anyone actually think that Trump has a plan? Getting rid of the regime, without a plan, would be a disaster.

Well one positive would be there are no Islamic nut jobs in that country, so that type of insurgency would be avoided.

I would say it would be similar to Germany or Japan post WW2, with an initial puppet government for a number of years. Whether China would allow a proper democracy is unclear, possibly not. In the long run they'd favour a moderate pro Chinese dictator who wasn't a mad man intent on developing nukes.

The_Valeyard

Gatling wrote: »

The last 2 years with NK have been getting more tense than ever ,the leadership seems be suicidal and want to take their loyal followers with them

They have been at the US for years with threats nuclear attack vids, random bizzare insults.

Think they went too far and seriously pissed off the big wig.

ChikiChiki

The_Valeyard wrote: »

They have been at the US for years with threats nuclear attack vids, random bizzare insults.

Think they went too far and seriously pissed off the big wig.

If Trump had any sense he would just ignore NK. They are irrelevant. But the big baby has to be seen to do something aided by the fact that the investigation into his ties with Russia is getting heavy and his approval rating at home is at a woeful 40%.

daheff

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Doesn't this threat of war and mass destruction occur every March/April?

Although this year does seem even more tense and dangerous.

Its because this time of year is the anniversary of the foundation of the state. So the guys in charge tend to like to put on a show for the little people of N Korea....show how powerful the state is.


Which gets other countries a little worried.

Now the show gets a little bit more intense every year as the NK technology advances...so other countries get more worried.

But i dont think the NK have the capabilities to go all out war offensive. Not sure their leader thinks the same though.......:eek:

Don't think this time will be the time, but its coming soon.

osarusan

I don't think NK will do anything too drastic preemptively. Just more blustering and vague threats.

Their lack of resources and their not being a genuine threat to those around them is the only way the regime gets to survive. I'm sure the regime knows this.

Push things too far and get involved in an actual war and the only possible military outcome (apart from whatever damage they might do themselves) is the total defeat of the regime .

The_Valeyard

osarusan wrote: »

I don't think NK will do anything too drastic preemptively. Just more blustering and vague threats.

Their lack of resources and their not being a genuine threat to those around them is the only way the regime gets to survive. I'm sure the regime knows this.

Push things too far and get involved in an actual war and the only possible military outcome (apart from whatever damage they might do themselves) is the total defeat of the regime .

And that's the whole point. The regime mist survive at all costs.

Bit like 1984 "we have always been at war with East Asia"

Dubh Linn

Like I said, somebody somewhere needs to do something.

skankkuvhima

ChikiChiki wrote: »

If Trump had any sense he would just ignore NK. They are irrelevant. But the big baby has to be seen to do something aided by the fact that the investigation into his ties with Russia is getting heavy and his approval rating at home is at a woeful 40%.

Are you for real? A North Korea with nuclear missiles irrelevant?

Dubh Linn

China is now warning that a conflict could break out at any moment over N Korea:

A conflict over North Korea could break out "at any moment", China's foreign minister has said, warning there would be "no winner" in any war, as tensions increase with the US.

I think this might be a precursor to a conflict of some sort, what with the test tomorrow and everything.

The countdown begins...

The_Valeyard

Dubh Linn wrote: »

China is now warning that a conflict could break out at any moment over N Korea:

A conflict over North Korea could break out "at any moment", China's foreign minister has said, warning there would be "no winner" in any war, as tensions increase with the US.

I think this might be a precursor to a conflict of some sort, what with the test tomorrow and everything.

The countdown begins...

It's all about who blinks first.

Dubh Linn

In my humble honest opinion, NK will blink first.

Cheerful Spring

Dubh Linn wrote: »

Right, but what makes this latest threat any different. NK launches a missile test, US says this, that and the other, blah blah blah, then everything is back to square one again. Can somebody not just do something about it before NK upsets the wrong person or makes another big mistake...

Trump, is the reason it's different. Hes a President who's willing to take on a country with nukes. Nobody on this forums know's if Kim will authorize the test nuclear test this weekend? What we know about North Korea came from Intelligence sources ( can be propaganda or truth)

If it did kick off. North Korea has the capability to strike Japan and South Korea even China and surrounding countries. Could they hit America is still debated?

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Trump, is the reason it's different. Hes a President who's willing to take on a country with nukes

A country that is willing​ to test nuclear bombs not necessarily have the ability to actually launch one .

Bit of a difference

Cheerful Spring

Gatling wrote: »

A country that is willing​ to test nuclear bombs not necessarily have the ability to actually launch one .

Bit of a difference

Pukguksong-2, missile has passed the test already. Its medium strike missile. They have the capability to strike South Korea or Japan already, What North Korea is testing right now is newer missiles that can go further and hit Washington. If North Korea can fire one of the missiles from a submarine they could hit the Western half of the United States.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Pukguksong-2, missile has passed the test already. Its medium strike missile. They have the capability to strike South Korea or Japan already, What North Korea is testing right now is newer missiles that can go further and hit Washington. If North Korea can fire one of the missiles from a submarine they could hit the Western half of the United States.

Still haven't a nuclear armed missle or bomb several previous tests proved inconclusive for nuclear weapon