US considering Preemptive Strike against North Korea.

PREG1967

The_Valeyard wrote: »

What's that famous quote?

"Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading."

Matrix reloaded had a happy ending is that where we are all ultimately headed anyway not NK v USA or black man v white man but man & machine in unity together for a better world for all

Gatling

InTheTrees wrote: »

Technically the war never ended so it would merely resume i believe.

Totally correct

ilkhanid

PREG1967 wrote: »

The irish were in a similar state for hundreds of years under the crown u know

I wonder why there were so many rebellions, and was so much smuggling,mass attendance (in the years it was banned), outlawry, poaching, evading of regulations and taxes, poitin making etc etc etc? It wasn't until the Catholic Church got it's claws into the country that the real brainwashing began.

PREG1967

ilkhanid wrote: »

I wonder why there were so many rebellions, and was so much smuggling,mass attendance (in the years it was banned), outlawry, poaching, evading of regulations and taxes, poitin making etc etc etc. It wasn't until the Catholic Church got it's claws into the country that the real brainwashing began.

Im missing your point(s).are you blaming the catholic church for irish subjugation to the crown?

ScumLord

ilkhanid wrote: »

I wonder why there were so many rebellions, and was so much smuggling,mass attendance (in the years it was banned), outlawry, poaching, evading of regulations and taxes, poitin making etc etc etc? It wasn't until the Catholic Church got it's claws into the country that the real brainwashing began.

I think the only reason Ireland was so Catholic in the past was because the English told us not to be. Now that it won't annoy the English, we have no need for the catholic church anymore.

PREG1967

ScumLord wrote: »

I think the only reason Ireland was so Catholic in the past was because the English told us not to be. Now that it won't annoy the English, we have no need for the catholic church anymore.

Thats a misrepresentation of history in so many ways. It was the landed Protestant class that instigated the rebellion of 1798.

The_Valeyard

ilkhanid wrote: »

I wonder why there were so many rebellions, and was so much smuggling,mass attendance (in the years it was banned), outlawry, poaching, evading of regulations and taxes, poitin making etc etc etc? It wasn't until the Catholic Church got it's claws into the country that the real brainwashing began.

Suppose those previous 700 years were nothing so. Just a misunderstanding.

4068ac1elhodqr

Back to the topic at hand, where's all the big boats?

The latest news report was that they're 3,600miles away from where they should've been. Isn't there some shipfinder app available now free in iTunes. Also the only chap that knows both Kimmy and Donald pretty well is Dennis Rodman, aka the (possible) peace maker.

Gatling

Evie Big Troop wrote: »

Back to the topic at hand, where's all the big boats?

The latest news report was that they're 3,600miles away from where they should've been. Isn't there some shipfinder app available now free in iTunes. Also the only chap that knows both Kimmy and Donald pretty well is Dennis Rodman, aka the (possible) peace maker.

It's only one carrier group missing currently (enroute) to the peninsula ,they were heading to a exercise in Australia with their​ naval forces first then on to Korea ,
Trump's spoke persons made a mess ot things as usual

ilkhanid

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Suppose those previous 700 years were nothing so. Just a misunderstanding.

PREG1967 wrote: »

Im missing your point(s).are you blaming the catholic church for irish subjugation to the crown?

What I'm saying is that the Irish were never assimilated to English ways and mentality. English rule was, in many ways, a veneer.
But Catholicism sank it's claws deep into Irish minds and culture.

Evie Big Troop

Evie Big Troop wrote: »

Back to the topic at hand, where's all the big boats?

The latest news report was that they're 3,600miles away from where they should've been. Isn't there some shipfinder app available now free in iTunes. Also the only chap that knows both Kimmy and Donald pretty well is Dennis Rodman, aka the (possible) peace maker.

I think you'll find that the "Grey Funnel line" tend to not advertise their location on apps like that.

4068ac1elhodqr

Deleted User wrote: »

I think you'll find that the "Grey Funnel line" tend to not advertise their location on apps like that.

Indeed but it was so widely reported in the media, so much that the (media) later even said other curious neighbours were folks flanking in their own boats behind to have a sniff.

All sounds like that popular board game from the 80's.

bnt

This article goes in to one aspect of the NK situation that few people are talking about: if the NK regime fails or is taken out, that will be the start of a major humanitarian crisis affecting the people of NK and its neighbours. The article focuses mostly on the potential effects on China, but South Korea will have to be involved too. If ships full of troops unload in NK, let's hope they're followed closely by ships full of food and other essential supplies.

Elmer Blooker

bnt wrote: »

This article goes in to one aspect of the NK situation that few people are talking about: if the NK regime fails or is taken out, that will be the start of a major humanitarian crisis affecting the people of NK and its neighbours. The article focuses mostly on the potential effects on China, but South Korea will have to be involved too. If ships full of troops unload in NK, let's hope they're followed closely by ships full of food and other essential supplies.

But theres already a humanitarian crisis in Yemen which the media might acknowledge every now and then with a token paragraph?
I'm sure another humanitarian crisis wouldn't be any different?

Gatling

bnt wrote: »

This article goes in to one aspect of the NK situation that few people are talking about: if the NK regime fails or is taken out, that will be the start of a major humanitarian crisis affecting the people of NK and its neighbours. The article focuses mostly on the potential effects on China, but South Korea will have to be involved too. If ships full of troops unload in NK, let's hope they're followed closely by ships full of food and other essential supplies.

Id say something is already there in place should they have to end the Korean war finally and reunite Korea ,
But chances are NK has plenty of humanitarian supplies stored away for the large military and rulers ,that could be liberated to help feed a starving population ,till the UN and China and Korea step up with the US

PREG1967

Gatling wrote: »

Id say something is already there in place should they have to end the Korean war finally and reunite Korea ,
But chances are NK has plenty of humanitarian supplies stored away for the large military and rulers ,that could be liberated to help feed a starving population ,till the UN and China and Korea step up with the US

The June 15th North–South Joint Declaration in June 2000 states that both north and south plan to reunify in the future, yours and trumps warmongering wont help in this regard, get on with your life and work toward reumification of your own country i.e. something you can achieve as opposed to something you can have no impact on

Zebra3

ilkhanid wrote: »

Are the South Koreans sure of that? Having seventy thousand guns pointed at their capital would make any country uneasy, not to mention having North Korean tunnels underneath you.

Mad isn't it?

South Koreans have "70,000 guns pointed at them" by NK but obviously the peace loving south backed by the world's number one rogue state have no military hardware aimed at NK at all.



:rolleyes:

Gatling

PREG1967 wrote: »

get on with your life and work toward reumification of your own country i.e. something you can achieve as opposed to something you can have no impact on

Lolzzzz

InTheTrees

Zebra3 wrote: »

Mad isn't it?
South Koreans have "70,000 guns pointed at them" by NK but obviously the peace loving south backed by the world's number one rogue state have no military hardware aimed at NK at all.

The Korean War hasnt ended. There is a military cease fire in effect while a permanent treaty is worked on.

They've been working on it since 1953.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Armistice_Agreement

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ilkhanid

Zebra3 wrote: »

Mad isn't it?

South Koreans have "70,000 guns pointed at them" by NK but obviously the peace loving south backed by the world's number one rogue state have no military hardware aimed at NK at all.:rolleyes:

The North Korean military has 1.2 million soldiers, a reserve of over 7 million and 200 000 paramilitary troops. It outnumbers South Korea by a large margin. Meanwhile the United States has 28 000 soldiers in the South. The armies of the North are always in an offensive posture.
They have also engaged in covert and overt offensive operations against the South. As I mentioned they dug huge tunnels under the Southern lines, only six of which have been discovered, an operation that in some other countries would be regarded as an act of war. They have continually infiltrated special forces into the South on muderous missions. They have sent their ships in Southern waters and engaged in continuous provocations.
In 2010 they bombarded the South Korean island of Yeonpyeong killing 4 civilians. Yet we are supposed to believe that North Korea is a country that is only intent on defending itself. Yet on any analysis of intentions and actions, it looks like the South is the peace-loving one. If a country continually talks of war, continually issues threats of war,prepares for war day and night, tries to murder the government of its rivals, engages in continual acts of aggression and organises it's entire economy around war, then it is likely that it wants war. If it quacks like a duck,walks like a duck etc.
Not a rogue state? Right back at ya :rolleyes: Pull the other one!

PREG1967

ilkhanid wrote: »

The North Korean military has 1.2 million soldiers, a reserve of over 7 million and 200 000 paramilitary troops. It outnumbers South Korea by a large margin. Meanwhile the United States has 28 000 soldiers in the South. The armies of the North are always in an offensive posture.
They have also engaged in covert and overt offensive operations against the South. As I mentioned they dug huge tunnels under the Southern lines, only six of which have been discovered, an operation that in some other countries would be regarded as an act of war. They have continually infiltrated special forces into the South on muderous missions. They have sent their ships in Southern waters and engaged in continuous provocations.
In 2010 they bombarded the South Korean island of Yeonpyeong killing 4 civilians. Yet we are supposed to believe that North Korea is a country that is only intent on defending itself. Yet on any analysis of intentions and actions, it looks like the South is the peace-loving one. If a country continually talks of war, continually issues threats of war,prepares for war day and night, tries to murder the government of its rivals, engages in continual acts of aggression and organises it's entire economy around war, then it is likely that it wants war. If it quacks like a duck,walks like a duck etc.
Not a rogue state? Right back at ya :rolleyes: Pull the other one!

do peace loving folk declare that other humans of their own ethnicity have horns on their heads---no

Shin Eun-mi, an elderly Korean-American who grew up near Seoul, mentioned something similar in a separate interview.
"When I was in elementary school in South Korea, teachers taught me that North Koreans had horns on their heads like monsters," Shin said.

http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/04/04/521742040/why-do-some-south-koreans-believe-a-myth-that-north-koreans-have-horns

donegaLroad

the US will always find some super-bogey rouge state which it will justify a pre emptive strike against. Missiles are accumulating, Lockhead Martin's shareprice has fallen, there aren't enough conflicts at the moment and sales have fallen.

Gatling

Next someone will be along to tell us Nk leadership are peace loving who don't want Nuclear weapons and aren't starving their people and don't run "Re-education"camps .

donegaLroad

Gatling wrote: »

Next someone will be along to tell us Nk leadership are peace loving who don't want Nuclear weapons and aren't starving their people and don't run "Re-education"camps .

US are not a whole lot better... they are not peace loving, they manufacture nuclear weapons, 5 million American citizens live below the poverty line, and half the world are laughing at their young people's level of education.

namloc1980

Gatling wrote: »

Next someone will be along to tell us Nk leadership are peace loving who don't want Nuclear weapons and aren't starving their people and don't run "Re-education"camps .

Yes that is definitely going to happen.

ilkhanid

PREG1967 wrote: »

do peace loving folk declare that other humans of their own ethnicity have horns on their heads---no

Does a peace-loving state declare itself to be "pure" and it's neighbours polluted. North Korea is an avowed racist state.
"North Koreans view themselves as being more pure than all other people with racist invective that wouldn’t be out of place from the 1930s and 1940s being aimed particularly at people of Japanese, Caucasian-American and African-American descent being common" This is the country that compared President Obama to a monkey..
http://foreignpolicy.com/2010/02/11/north-koreas-race-problem/

donegaLroad wrote: »

US are not a whole lot better... they are not peace loving, they manufacture nuclear weapons, 5 million American citizens live below the poverty line, and half the world are laughing at their young people's level of education.

And yet this is the country of Princeton, Yale and Harvard. Where is the Harvard of South Korea? Never mind that, where is the DIT of North Korea? Out pathetic, ill-governed little country has produced more scientists, writers, artists, film-makers, companies,patents etc than North Kora with it's 20 000 000 people.

nacho libre

I am no fan of US foreign policy which is responsible for several war crimes down through the years, but to deny/overlook that North Korea is a basket case of a state is wrong. I don't see the problem with condemning both nations for different reasons. The fact of the matter is as a previous poster has said, if one were cynical you might suspect if conflicts didn't occur organically, they might have to be manufactured. After all one must think of the defense contractor ceo with his mansions in Florida and California to sustain. If a few brown people have to suffer the small matter of their death, i am sure the contractor appreciates their sacrifice for the greater good.

RobertKK

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Why ?

what has NK done outside Korea ?

It's not like they are going to invade Kuwait in morning.

They can't invade the neighbours, China or Russia, or South Korea and it's allies.

Used VX gas in Malaysia's main airport.

donegaLroad

ilkhanid wrote: »

Does a peace-loving state declare itself to be "pure" and it's neighbours polluted. North Korea is an avowed racist state.
"North Koreans view themselves as being more pure than all other people with racist invective that wouldn’t be out of place from the 1930s and 1940s being aimed particularly at people of Japanese, Caucasian-American and African-American descent being common" This is the country that compared President Obama to a monkey..
http://foreignpolicy.com/2010/02/11/north-koreas-race-problem/



And yet this is the country of Princeton, Yale and Harvard. Where is the Harvard of South Korea? Never mind that, where is the DIT of North Korea? Out pathetic, ill-governed little country has produced more scientists, writers, artists, film-makers, companies,patents etc than North Kora with it's 20 000 000 people.

ok.... if you can afford it you can go to an Ivy League university.... but at the same time in the US, the epidemic of student debt is very sobering.

It seems that most high balance student debt is accumulated paying for college name brand recognition, not education.

The university masthead on the degree opens doors for the first few jobs after college, but that name brand becomes increasingly less valuable to the person who succeeds, and increasingly more valuable to the person who doesn't.
It is possible to purchase an education without going into significant debt, but you have to work for it.

(this is a different argument, I know) but the rest of my earlier point stands.

babi-hrse

Well the North Korea situation is lose lose there's no clear way to win.
The North has artillery pointed at Seoul
The people are basically refugee status already just under control.
If Kim gets done away with the actual headaches will happen. South Korea and China will have to absorb the population of North Korea's refugee population looking for food and a better life. These refugees won't be able to comphrend the world and will be unable to integrate successfully ie they will always be dissolute and uneducated with a stigma attached to them.
South Korea will be bombed as a last ditch effort of North Korean fanatics in a revenge attack. Stock markets will collapse as the Asian markets go into turmoil. The world will get alot worse if Kim is topped. Right now North Korea is like abestoes don't touch it and we can all carry on just being mindful of the **** that can upset the locality or we can go ruffle it and have to clear out the building for a long time while people figure out what to do next which probably will never reach a satisfying conclusion