US considering Preemptive Strike against North Korea.

Cheerful Spring

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

the reason that NK has the regime it does is because of the Kims. it is not the fault of anybody else.

Kim is Korean just like he's people. What a weird concept people born in the country wished for it to be united? America an occupying power , there not Korean are they are the good guys somehow to you?

Cheerful Spring

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you're talking nonsense again. who do the Kims have to blame but themselves?

The country was united in 1950. America stopped that from happening. If we all thought like you Ireland be still controlled from London and the British police be patrolling our streets. Lucky Irish men fought for Independence.

ohnonotgmail

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Kim is Korean just like he's people. What a weird concept people born in the country wished for it to be united? America an occupying power , there not Korean are they are the good guys somehow to you?

Kim wanted it to be united alright, once he was the one in charge. America is not an occupying power. American troops are based there at the request of the south koreans. It stops the Kims from getting ideas about invading again. South Korea is a democracy with a successful economy that would not exist if the north had won.

You're not a member of the KFA by any chance?

Cheerful Spring

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

the two are not mutually exclusive. you can know an invasion is coming just not exactly when.

UN said it was a surprise attack (Fact) it's not a surprise attack if you lose all your equipment in the first attack at the border.

ohnonotgmail

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

The country was united in 1950. America stopped that from happening. If we all thought like you Ireland be still controlled from London and the British police be patrolling our streets. Lucky Irish men fought for Independence.

who writes your history books, Kim il-sung?

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

it's not a surprise attack if you lose all your equipment in the first attack at the border.

Says who exactly ,

Most countries would have plenty of military equipment on or near they borders ,
Your claiming south Korea lost all its military equipment at the border , which isn't true ,

Cheerful Spring

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Kim wanted it to be united alright, once he was the one in charge. America is not an occupying power. American troops are based there at the request of the south koreans. It stops the Kims from getting ideas about invading again. South Korea is a democracy with a successful economy that would not exist if the north had won.

You're not a member of the KFA by any chance?

The war was over in 195O. There was literally only pocket of resistance left near the coastline. Lot can happen in 60+ years. A united Korea does not mean NK would look exactly the same as it does today. You seem unable to grasp that?

Cheerful Spring

Gatling wrote: »

Says who exactly ,

Most countries would have plenty of military equipment on or near they borders ,
Your claiming south Korea lost all its military equipment at the border , which isn't true ,

Yes it is true it's the reason they could not stop the advance on Seoul in 1 day.

ohnonotgmail

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

The war was over in 195O. There was literally only pocket of resistance left near the coastline. Lot can happen in 60+ years. A united Korea does not mean NK would look exactly the same as it does today. You seem unable to grasp that?

in the 60+ years what have north korea done to open up their economy? what have they done lift their people from grinding poverty? i think that gives you a good idea of what the leadership of NK really want. They want absolute power and the people can go to hell.

Cheerful Spring

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

in the 60+ years what have north korea done to open up their economy? what have they done lift their people from grinding poverty? i think that gives you a good idea of what the leadership of NK really want. They want absolute power and the people can go to hell.

You seem to forget it's American who is imposing the economic blockade for decades now against North Korea. When America does not get it's way, it bullies weaker nations. Just like it has has done since 9/11.

ohnonotgmail

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

You seem to forget it's American who is imposing the economic blockade for decades now against North Korea. When America does not get it's way, it bullies weaker nations. Just like it has has done since 9/11.

ah its always the americans fault. Nothing to do with the attitude of NK. they're a lovely bunch of lads who are being persecuted.

Cheerful Spring

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

ah its always the americans fault. Nothing to do with the attitude of NK. they're a lovely bunch of lads who are being persecuted.

Recent history this .
Libya stopped it's nuclear ambitions and tried to work with the west (look what happened there) Iraq same thing. The UN inspectors all said Saddam has no weapons of Mass Destruction, at all! ( Never mind that we invade anyway) Cuba still under economic blockade. Ukraine ( the west supporting groups who supported the Nazi invasion and killed Jews) this was a coup organised by America.

You have to look at the history to see how we ended up here in the first place. Korean vs Korean fighting a civil war. America was an occupying power who helped the South to fight communism and install a puppet regime.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Yes it is true it's the reason they could not stop the advance on Seoul in 1 day.

You do happen to know that in 1950 the south Korean army wasn't an actual standing army it was actually more a civilian police force with only 90 artillery pieces and had Very little in common with the communist North invasion force that came at them with heavy armour , artillery and air power , naval forces .the North attacked with nearly 100,000 trained and experienced soldiers.

Who got routed when the UN forces pulled together ,even the Chinese couldn't get through the 38th parallel into the south

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Ukraine ( the west supporting groups who supported the Nazi invasion and killed Jews) this was a coup organized by America.

Stop with the nonsense and conspiracy theories

Elmer Blooker

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

You seem to forget it's American who is imposing the economic blockade for decades now against North Korea. When America does not get it's way, it bullies weaker nations. Just like it has has done since 9/11.

I've noticed that the US is putting pressure on China to impose tough sanctions on North Korea.

VOA (Voice of America) reported on January 26 that North Korea’s total rice imports from China amounted to 4.2 million tons last year (2016),

It seems that the US wouldn't bat an eyelid if millions of North Koreans died of famine so you are making a valid point C.S.

Gatling

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

I've noticed that the US is putting pressure on China to impose tough sanctions on North Korea.

Supposedly sending them missles and nuclear technology isn't doing the North much good now is it ,

Cheerful Spring

Gatling wrote: »

You do happen to know that in 1950 the south Korean army wasn't an actual standing army it was actually more a civilian police force with only 90 artillery pieces and had Very little in common with the communist North invasion force that came at them with heavy armour , artillery and air power , naval forces .the North attacked with nearly 100,000 trained and experienced soldiers.

Who got routed when the UN forces pulled together ,even the Chinese couldn't get through the 38th parallel into the south

North Korean people and South Korean people are Korean.

For argument sake..
North Ireland and South Ireland fought each other and North won, they still Irishmen and Catholic.

Stance would you take if the English army then joined the war to help the South and divided the country in half?

ohnonotgmail

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Recent history this .
Libya stopped it's nuclear ambitions and tried to work with the west (look what happened there) Iraq same thing. The UN inspectors all said Saddam has no weapons of Mass Destruction, at all! ( Never mind that we invade anyway) Cuba still under economic blockade. Ukraine ( the west supporting groups who supported the Nazi invasion and killed Jews) this was a coup organised by America.

You have to look at the history to see how we ended up here in the first place. Korean vs Korean fighting a civil war. America was an occupying power who helped the South to fight communism and install a puppet regime.

and look how well that has turned out for the south koreans.

Cheerful Spring

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

I've noticed that the US is putting pressure on China to impose tough sanctions on North Korea.

It seems that the US wouldn't bat an eyelid if millions of North Koreans died of famine so you are making a valid point C.S.

America has killed hundreds of thousands of civilians during bombings and drone strikes. 3000 people died on 9/11 let's be real here.

If China cut off trade this would be a disaster. China not stupid, but America could go after them just like they did with Russia over Ukraine.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

America has killed hundreds of thousands of civilians during bombings and drone strikes. 3000 people died on 9/11 let's be real here.

If China cut off trade this would be a disaster. China not stupid, but America could go after them just like they did with Russia over Ukraine.

Ah here it's getting worse

Cheerful Spring

Gatling wrote: »

Supposedly sending them missles and nuclear technology isn't doing the North much good now is it ,

North Korea would be taken out by now, if it had no nuclear weapons. America is shooting down planes, bombing Syrian troops, faking chemical attacks in Syria. Would you trust them to leave you alone after what happened to Libya and Iraq?

Cheerful Spring

Gatling wrote: »

Stop with the nonsense and conspiracy theories

You obviously don't know what happened then? The far right was behind the coup in Ukraine.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26468720

ilkhanid

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

I guess when the Irish died during the famine, it was not the English fault at all. We just blame the Irish for being stupid and lazy and not listening and doing what their English masters told them.

Britain ruled Ireland in 1847. Most of the responsibility for the famine rests on its head. British callousness and incompetence was largely to blame.

The Kims ruled Korea 1953-2017. Most of the responsibility for the Korean famine rests on their head. Kim regime callousness and imcompetence was largely to blame.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Kim is Korean just like he's people. What a weird concept people born in the country wished for it to be united? America an occupying power , there not Korean are they are the good guys somehow to you?

The Kims want a united Korea under the Juche regime. If they wanted the best for the united country they would institute reforms. But they don't. They want to preserve their position.

Cheerful Spring

ilkhanid wrote: »

Britain ruled Ireland in 1847. Most of the responsibility for the famine rests on its head. British callousness and imcompetence was largely to blame.

The Kims ruled Korea 1953-2017. Most of the responsibility for the Korean famine rests on their head. Kim regime callousness and imcompetence was largely to blame.

Economic blockade by the West has nothing at all to do with it?

southstar

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

The country was united in 1950. America stopped that from happening. If we all thought like you Ireland be still controlled from London and the British police be patrolling our streets. Lucky Irish men fought for Independence.

Id say the South Koreans aren't complaining though(unless you know better)and as for the North Koreans well I guess they'll never know..or for that matter neither will we.Sort of reminds me of that big fence we had in Europe all of thirty years ago though I don't remember too many gob****es talking up the repressive regimes that lurked behind it then.Ideological slavery at its worst.
Move on to the bin charges or something

ohnonotgmail

ilkhanid wrote: »

Britain ruled Ireland in 1847. Most of the responsibility for the famine rests on its head. British callousness and imcompetence was largely to blame.

The Kims ruled Korea 1953-2017. Most of the responsibility for the Korean famine rests on their head. Kim regime callousness and imcompetence was largely to blame.



The Kims want a united Korea under the Juche regime. If they wanted the best for the united country they would institute reforms. But they don't. They want to preserve their position.

just a slight correction but Kim Il-sung became prime minister of NK in 1948.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

You obviously don't know what happened then?

Yeah I very well versed on the two coups in Ukraine both times ordinary Ukrainians got fed up with Kremlin puppet governments and got rid of them actually the second time they got rid of a theif call Viktor yanukovic.

You forgot the part where russia said if they gave up their nuclear weapons they would and signed non aggression treaty's and what happened russian troops inavded and annexed parts of the sovereign state of Ukraine

Cheerful Spring

ilkhanid wrote: »

The Kims want a united Korea under the Juche regime. If they wanted the best for the united country they would institute reforms. But they don't. They want to preserve their position.

How can they do any of that divided and there is a hostile superpower next door. You not looking at the big picture. Economic blockade on their country, hardly going to say thank you.

ilkhanid

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Economic blockade by the West has nothing at all to do with it?

The Kims could feed every person, if they opened up the economy, co-operated with South on economic projects, allowed rural people to grow and sell their own produce and cut military spending by 75%.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

How can they do any of that divided and there is a hostile superpower next door. You not looking at the big picture. Economic blockade on their country, hardly going to say thank you.

The only superpower next door is China. South Korea and a paltry 25 000 US troops present no threat.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

North Korea would be taken out by now, if it had no nuclear weapons. America is shooting down planes, bombing Syrian troops, faking chemical attacks in Syria. Would you trust them to leave you alone after what happened to Libya and Iraq?

Yourself and some other idiots here keep going on about Libya and Iraq. The real example that terrifies fat'Un is Romania

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

How can they do any of that divided and there is a hostile superpower next door.

Ah yes china