US considering Preemptive Strike against North Korea.

Cheerful Spring · 07-07-2017 4:25pm

Gatling wrote: »

Ah yes china

China and Soviet Union never tried to ruin the South Korean economy.

jackboy · 07-07-2017 4:26pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

North Korea would be taken out by now, if it had no nuclear weapons. America is shooting down planes, bombing Syrian troops, faking chemical attacks in Syria. Would you trust them to leave you alone after what happened to Libya and Iraq?

North Korea has no nuclear weapons. They are still at the development stage. It's the potential conventional weapons threat to SK that has saved them.

Gatling · 07-07-2017 4:26pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

China and Soviet Union never tried to ruin the South Korean economy.

No they just sent forces to fight them

Cheerful Spring · 07-07-2017 4:30pm

ilkhanid wrote: »

The Kims could feed every person, if they opened up the economy, co-operated with South on economic projects, allowed rural people to grow and sell their own produce and cut military spending by 75%.

The only superpower next door is China. South Korea and a paltry 25 000 US troops present no threat.

They have tried to open up the economy, but incidents and tensions always get in the way. Lets not forget Kaesong Industrial Region. Lets not forget NK rarely tested missiles during Obama 8 years of Presidency. Trump came out of the gate saying he's going to do something about North Korea, only then, did NK start launching missiles every month. It was Americans who started this all off and they then claim, we did nothing we innocent.

Cheerful Spring · 07-07-2017 4:32pm

jackboy wrote: »

North Korea has no nuclear weapons. They are still at the development stage. It's the potential conventional weapons threat to SK that has saved them.

They tested a nuke in 2006. That's 11 years ago. Can they miniaturize it for an ICBM is the debate. Personally i think they can.

Zebra3 · 07-07-2017 4:35pm

fxotoole wrote: »

The US already have attacked Iran. They unleashed the Stuxnet malware on the centrifuges they were using to process nuclear materials. It is said that this attack put Iran's nuclear program back by 5 years. This was preferable to directly attacking Iran by putting boots on the ground, or launching air strikes. It is a tactic that Trump should take up with North Korea if he had any sense.

Said by whom? The liars who told us Iraq had WMDs?

Preferable to attacking Iran? Wow, thank you America for not commiting another war crime.

Cheerful Spring · 07-07-2017 4:35pm

Gatling wrote: »

No they just sent forces to fight them

Allegedly. Where is the pictures of dead Soviet soldiers or captured POW's at camps. There is none. America just creates myths to justify their large scale invasion of Korea.

Gatling · 07-07-2017 4:40pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Allegedly. Where is the pictures of dead Soviet soldiers or captured POW's at camps. There is none. America just creates myths to justify their large scale invasion of Korea.

It's was all confirmed by classified documents released after the fall of soviet union.

Stop making stuff up

And there was weapons tests during the Obama administration , mostly failed launches for some reason or another ,

So yes nothing really has changed

Cheerful Spring · 07-07-2017 4:45pm

Gatling wrote: »

Stop making stuff ,

And there was weapons tests during the Obama administration , mostly failed launches for some reason or another ,

So yes nothing really has changed

If there Soviet troops fighting, large numbers, they are going to be killed or captured. You think the Americans would not photograph this?

Testing a missile every 6 months, is a non event. Since Trump took office Kim has tested 14 different types of missiles. Trump threatening to take out NK, was he expecting no reaction?

Gatling · 07-07-2017 4:51pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

If there Soviet troops fighting, large numbers, they are going to be killed or captured. You think the Americans would not photograph this?

America didn't publicise it because they didn't want to get drawn into direct conflict with Russia ,
Like the 400 odd russian jets shot down piloted by Russian officer under command of the Kremlin not volunteers actual full airforce units ,

Just like russia didn't publicise shooting down of Americn aircraft .

So no real conspiracy there unfortunately

ilkhanid · 07-07-2017 4:52pm

Gatling wrote: »

It's was all confirmed by classified documents released after the fall of soviet union.

Stop making stuff up

And there was weapons tests during the Obama administration , mostly failed launches for some reason or another ,

So yes nothing really has changed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_in_the_Korean_War

https://ospreypublishing.com/store/contributors/leonid-krylov

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Kramarenko

Curly Judge · 07-07-2017 4:54pm

archer22 wrote: »

Operation August Storm

Ah yes...... late 1945 when the US had done all the heavy lifting and Japan was on the point of surrendering.
A bit like the 10 denari guy in the Bible.
Turns up late for work and demands a full days wages.

ohnonotgmail · 07-07-2017 4:56pm

Curly Judge wrote: »

Ah yes...... late 1945 when the US had done all the heavy lifting and Japan was on the point of surrendering.
A bit like the 10 denari guy in the Bible.
Turns up late for work and demands a full days wages.

Like running up to an unconscious man on the ground and kicking him in the head.

Ipso · 07-07-2017 4:59pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

North Korea would be taken out by now, if it had no nuclear weapons. America is shooting down planes, bombing Syrian troops, faking chemical attacks in Syria. Would you trust them to leave you alone after what happened to Libya and Iraq?

There are no good options in dealing with North Korea. It could be wiped of the map in a matter of fours but the problem is they would probably get a shot at Seoul.
The other countries just want it contained, if the country collapsed it would create a massive refugee crisis for South Korea and China, imagine having to assimilate millions of brain washed people.

ArchXStanton · 07-07-2017 5:05pm

I hope that n.korea get a fully functioning nuke,they seem to be the only ones with balls to stand up to the rogue country of the US

Cheerful Spring · 07-07-2017 5:09pm

Gatling wrote: »

America didn't publicise it because they didn't want to get drawn into direct conflict with Russia ,
Like the 400 odd russian jets shot down piloted by Russian officer under command of the Kremlin not volunteers actual full airforce units ,

Just like russia didn't publicise shooting down of Americn aircraft .

So no real conspiracy there unfortunately

60 years after the war you serious? They would have taken Photos and classified it. There probably was soldiers born in the Soviet Union who went and helped North Korea, but there was no huge armies crossing the border to fight the South.

Gatling · 07-07-2017 5:16pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

60 years after the war you serious? They would have taken Photos and classified it. There probably was soldiers born in the Soviet Union who went and helped North Korea, but there was no huge armies crossing the border to fight the South.

400 + aircraft shot down (shot down only) hundreds more survived this is no small figure and that's just the ones shot down , pilots , ground crew , specialist engineer's,
Command units ,radar operations , ground forces ,naval forces , supply operations,

InTheTrees · 07-07-2017 5:19pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

U-boats traveled from France to Ireland even beyond that. That's 1940 technology. You really think 1960 subs can't travel further? You have to ignore Western Intelligence. The very same people who talk about NK subs said NK was 3 to 4 years away from firing an ICBM that could reach America.

Oh dear. Its not about the range of the things. Submarine technology has advanced a bit since ww2 you know.

The ocean all around the north pacific is covered by sonar detectors that are designed to detect submarines. Old style diesel engines subs would never get through undetected. Modern quiet nuclear (electric) engines are much more stealthy and likely to get by undetected.

Curly Judge · 07-07-2017 5:24pm

Ipso wrote: »

There are no good options in dealing with North Korea. It could be wiped of the map in a matter of fours but the problem is they would probably get a shot at Seoul.
The other countries just want it contained, if the country collapsed it would create a massive refugee crisis for South Korea and China, imagine having to assimilate millions of brain washed people.

Kim Il-sung and his spawn have been a disaster for Korea.
Regime change (if possible) and at least two generations of transition to reunification seems to be the best option.
One thing is for sure....this nonsense can't go on for much longer.

Cheerful Spring · 07-07-2017 5:33pm

Gatling wrote: »

400 + aircraft shot down (shot down only) hundreds more survived this is no small figure and that's just the ones shot down , pilots , ground crew , specialist engineer's,
Command units ,radar operations , ground forces ,naval forces , supply operations,

The Soviets did not join the war. You need to stop googling websites to support this ridiculous belief.

It amazes me how easy it still is to fool people. You think people would wake up after that Iraq and WMD fakery of 2003. I guess this kind of thing does not bother you?

BillyBobBS · 07-07-2017 5:35pm

ArchXStanton wrote: »

I hope that n.korea get a fully functioning nuke,they seem to be the only ones with balls to stand up to the rogue country of the US

Eh they have a fully functioning nuke already.

InTheTrees · 07-07-2017 5:36pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

60 years after the war you serious? They would have taken Photos and classified it. There probably was soldiers born in the Soviet Union who went and helped North Korea, but there was no huge armies crossing the border to fight the South.

There's highly decorated soviet fighter aces who shot down many American aircraft during the Korean war, and were recognized by the soviet air force. They flew Russian jets for the Russian air force. No clandestine stuff about it.

Check the Wikipedia on "Mig Alley".

Cheerful Spring · 07-07-2017 5:37pm

InTheTrees wrote: »

Oh dear. Its not about the range of the things. Submarine technology has advanced a bit since ww2 you know.

The ocean all around the north pacific is covered by sonar detectors that are designed to detect submarines. Old style diesel engines subs would never get through undetected. Modern quiet nuclear (electric) engines are much more stealthy and likely to get by undetected.

The Pacific ocean space is wide and huge. If you think they can cover every square inch of it you're wrong. You don't need to be even near the America coastline to fire a missile. Even if the submarine got detected, how long does it take to respond and find it?

Gatling · 07-07-2017 5:37pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

The Soviets did not join the war. You need to stop googling

Yes they did fact.

Stop blaming Google ,

Alternative history and opinions goes down quicker than a Russian aircraft in Turkish airspace

Cheerful Spring · 07-07-2017 5:40pm

InTheTrees wrote: »

There's highly decorated soviet fighter aces who shot down many American aircraft during the Korean war, and were recognized by the soviet air force. They flew Russian jets for the Russian air force. No clandestine stuff about it.

Check the Wikipedia on "Mig Alley".

So what if a few Soviet pilots helped North Korea? That's not the same as what America did. They brought in hundreds of thousands of troops, tanks, ships, artillery, aircraft.

Cheerful Spring · 07-07-2017 5:42pm

Gatling wrote: »

Yes they did fact.

Stop blaming Google ,

Alternative history and opinions goes down quicker than a Russian aircraft in Turkish airspace

The Soviets did not declare war on South Korea, that's just another myth, you likely googled online?

Gatling · 07-07-2017 5:43pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

The Soviets did not join the war.

I leave this here

Gatling · 07-07-2017 5:44pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

The Soviets did not declare war on South Korea, that's just another myth, you likely googled online?

Lol seriously .

Ted seriously

Cheerful Spring · 07-07-2017 5:45pm

Gatling wrote: »

I leave this here

Soviet Union. If you can provide proof of soviet dead, POW prisoners, name battles where the Soviet soldiers fought, i listen. A few pilots looking for adventure and glory, is not enough evidence.

InTheTrees · 07-07-2017 5:47pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

The Pacific ocean space is wide and huge. If you think they can cover every square inch of it you're wrong. You don't need to be even near the America coastline to fire a missile. Even if the submarine got detected, how long does it take to respond and find it?

Im unclear.

Whats your point?

Diesel engined subs are just as stealthy as nuclear subs?

Or you consider the ocean so gigantic nobody could possibly track a submarine through it?

US considering Preemptive Strike against North Korea.

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