US considering Preemptive Strike against North Korea.

Amirani

BillyBobBS wrote: »

America could care less what China, SK or Japan think. They won't allow NK to have missiles capable of nuking NY, Washington, LA or any city on the mainland. We have reached the end game.

China has nukes capable of reaching the US mainland - why exactly would the US not care? You think they sit by any do nothing if the US dropped a nuke killing many of the 3m+ Chinese people that live on the NK border?

Cheerful Spring

prinzeugen wrote: »

As I said before, a well aimed bomb could entomb the NK forces underground.

The RAF and USAF found that out by accident when they tried to take out V2 rocket sites with 10,000 lbs bombs.

Hit around it, not on top of it..

They would have different entrance points and the tunnels likely stretch for miles and miles across NK. Think Vietnam but the tunnels are more advanced.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

North Korean army infrastructure is underground or inside mountain areas. If America attacked with bombers most of Kim army will be underground waiting. The only realistic way to taking out North Korea army is nuking it and it likely will happen.

Your wrong ,

Actually hiding a vast army underground makes zero sense , given that you have to deploy hundreds of thousands of men , armour, aircraft and supplies without
A- Been noticed and taken out by air and ground forces which would be like shooting fish in a barrel .
B- Nuclear weapons wouldn't be required at all caves and tunnels would targeted with thermobaric weapons which would likely kill enmass anything living underground ,
C- America has been flying the length and breadth of NK with reconnaissance flights for nearly 5 decades they know where and what to hit ,

We seen what happened to the Iraqi army twice NK will shift massive amount of men and vehicles in the open along empty high ways not through mountainous areas and be absolutely destroyed on the ground against superior firepower ,

But till we see a sudden and Massive troop movement from the south Koreans US and Japan it's all talk for now

Cheerful Spring

BillyBobBS wrote: »

It's a dreadful situation. If it escalates over the next day or two i fully expect a run on the banks also. 8 years Obama left this steaming turd to develop these nukes and the capability to hit the US mainland.

I don't see it got that far yet. Tensions are hotter today, but i don't see the situation is critical yet. Of course if North fired a missile or America and South Korea did something that forced a response, all bets are off.

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Cheerful Spring wrote: »

They would have different entrance points and the tunnels likely stretch for miles and miles across NK.

You only need to block the exit closest to their shelter and job is done. There is 'absolutley zero' chance of anything 'hot' getting dropped. Many things, very massive, yes, but certainly not hot.

From now on, anything NK launch should be instantly disabled from the skies as a safety precaution.

Jap & SK are very firm capable partners of the US, they will be heavily involved also, if needed. The few short hours of sterilisation of threat would be the easy part.

The hard part is resetting NK threat to -10yrs within that very short period, before the Chinese walk in to claim it. Out of respect you wouldn't want to contaminate that land for them, the locals or any of the other various close neighbours.

The realistic worst-case scenario really isn't that bad, and over-inflated hyperbole, like Kim himself.

BillyBobBS

Amirani wrote: »

China has nukes capable of reaching the US mainland - why exactly would the US not care? You think they sit by any do nothing if the US dropped a nuke killing many of the 3m+ Chinese people that live on the NK border?

China isn't threatening to destroy the US and doesnt run propaganda on state TV showing the nuking of NY etc.. NK does this all the time.

China aren't going to respond if the US attack NK with military force.

Cheerful Spring

Gatling wrote: »

Your wrong ,

Actually hiding a vast army underground makes zero sense , given that you have to deploy hundreds of thousands of men , armour, aircraft and supplies without
A- Been noticed and taken out by air and ground forces which would be like shooting fish in a barrel .
B- Nuclear weapons wouldn't be required at all caves and tunnels would targeted with thermobaric weapons which would likely kill enmass anything living underground ,
C- America has been flying the length and breadth of NK with reconnaissance flights for nearly 5 decades they know where and what to hit ,

We seen what happened to the Iraqi army twice NK will shift massive amount of men and vehicles in the open along empty high ways not through mountainous areas and be absolutely destroyed on the ground against superior firepower ,

But till we see a sudden and Massive troop movement from the south Koreans US and Japan it's all talk for now

It's smart because North Korea would be bombed heavily when the war starts. America can't continue it's bombing all day. They can outmaneuver the American army if they land just like the Viet Cong did. You overestimate the Americas ability to win wars. They lost to a peasant army in Vietnam and they were a superpower with a powerful army then also.

jacksie66

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Mahony0509

NK is gonna make Trump do something stupid. They know for a fact he has a short temper.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

They lost to a peasant army in Vietnam and they were a superpower with a powerful army then also.

But they didn't,

They lost the war due to the american public and repeatedly changing of plans ,after the Tiet offensive they could have wiped the nva out but they sat back and waited for them to keep coming but if they listened carefully to the people on the ground they would have capitalised ,

America can bomb 24/7 365 days , they have the weapons and know how to wipe NK off the planet ,
And thats before nukes ,

prinzeugen

Amirani wrote: »

China has nukes capable of reaching the US mainland - why exactly would the US not care? You think they sit by any do nothing if the US dropped a nuke killing many of the 3m+ Chinese people that live on the NK border?

The only person that is going nuclear is kim yong fat belly.

Every other country, be it China, Russia or the USA, could take out North Korea with conventional weapons.

If 2 of the above form an alliance, then cold war Mk2 starts.

Larbre34

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

It's smart because North Korea would be bombed heavily when the war starts. America can't continue it's bombing all day. They can outmaneuver the American army if they land just like the Viet Cong did. You overestimate the Americas ability to win wars. They lost to a peasant army in Vietnam and they were a superpower with a powerful army then also.

Just like the Viet Cong did eh? Have u any idea at all of the advancement in technogical warfare since those times. America could deploy smarter and far more powerful weapons with far greater precision than anything seen in Vietnam, without getting out of bed.

The only concern on the Korean border is the 20,000 or so artillery assets trained on Seoul, i.e. what could the civilian losses be limited to before the last of the North Korean guns would be silenced. America and allied forces would achieve air superiority over NK within hours and all the while the subs and destroyers would be raining merry hell on a long list of targets with stand-off weapons, maybe the odd battlefield nuke thrown in for shock and awe effect and certainly free fall MOABs from the Spirit bombers.

BillyBobBS

Gatling wrote: »

But they didn't,

They lost the war due to the american public and repeatedly changing of plans ,after the Tiet offensive they could have wiped the nva out but they sat back and waited for them to keep coming but if they listened carefully to the people on the ground they would have capitalised ,

America can bomb 24/7 365 days , they have the weapons and know how to wipe NK off the planet ,
And thats before nukes ,

The secret will be taking out the nuclear launch capability before they can get a few off, including their subs. If they do then it's up to their missile defense system to take any nukes down. I'd be pretty worried if i lived in Tokyo or Seoul right now tbh.

prinzeugen

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

They would have different entrance points and the tunnels likely stretch for miles and miles across NK. Think Vietnam but the tunnels are more advanced.

Earthquake bombs. Dropped in the soft soil/rock around the tunnels. The Nazi tunnels are a good comparison as its what NK is doing.

Cheerful Spring

Gatling wrote: »

But they didn't,

They lost the war due to the american public and repeatedly changing of plans ,after the Tiet offensive they could have wiped the nva out but they sat back and waited for them to keep coming but if they listened carefully to the people on the ground they would have capitalised ,

America can bomb 24/7 365 days , they have the weapons and know how to wipe NK off the planet ,
And thats before nukes ,

America couldn't win so they pulled out. America forces entered Vietnam around 1965, they left in 75.. They couldn't win. They retreated from Saigon and lost.

BillyBobBS

A lot of very worried pundits on the networks this evening in the US. This is a very bad situation.

Cheerful Spring

Larbre34 wrote: »

Just like the Viet Cong did eh? Have u any idea at all of the advancement in technogical warfare since those times. America could deploy smarter and far more powerful weapons with far greater precision than anything seen in Vietnam, without getting out of bed.

The only concern on the Korean border is the 20,000 or so artillery assets trained on Seoul, i.e. what could the civilian losses be limited to before the last of the North Korean guns would be silenced. America and allied forces would achieve air superiority over NK within hours and all the while the subs and destroyers would be raining merry hell on a long list of targets with stand-off weapons, maybe the odd battlefield nuke thrown in for shock and awe effect and certainly free fall MOABs from the Spirit bombers.

Dream land. This is the same military that couldn't cope with commercial airliners for 2 hours on 9/11. American military power is a myth.

Cheerful Spring

prinzeugen wrote: »

Earthquake bombs. Dropped in the soft soil/rock around the tunnels. The Nazi tunnels are a good comparison as its what NK is doing.

All NK thinks about is a defensive war. This will not be Iraq or Libya.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Dream land. This is the same military that couldn't cope with commercial airliners for 2 hours on 9/11. American military power is a myth.

Wait don't you have a whole thread about an alternative reality about that.

You might want to think about about this

prinzeugen

BillyBobBS wrote: »

A lot of very worried pundits on the networks this evening in the US. This is a very bad situation.

Its not. Its two tits that get more media than they deserve.

Cuba Mk 2.

Gatling

prinzeugen wrote: »

Its not. Its two tits that get more media than they deserve.

Cuba Mk 2.

It's got a hint of WMDs about it ,

jacksie66

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BillyBobBS

prinzeugen wrote: »

Its not. Its two tits that get more media than they deserve.

Cuba Mk 2.

if it's Cuba Mk 2 then it's far more serious than i thought.

BillyBobBS

jacksie66 wrote: »

The US networks feed on fear and paranoia.

I'm aware but this feels different and rightfully so. People still don't seem to get it, NK will not be allowed be a nation with missiles capable of hitting the US.

Cheerful Spring

Gatling wrote: »

Wait don't you have a whole thread about an alternative reality about that.

You might want to think about about this

Inside job does not mean everyone in the military was aware of this. The military was confused as hell, that day. If war starts North Korea will have plenty of time to fire off missiles and be prepared to strike. They know Trump has threatened them for months now, it's not like, they did not expect it. I have little faith in America military power. They lost to Vietnam. They still struggling to control Afghanistan. America has never actually won a major international war on it's own.

jacksie66

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BillyBobBS

Trump's No. 1 job is to protect the USA. He has a paranoid, murderous fanatic developing nuclear missiles and threatening the US with them. What do you want him to do? Same as Obama/Bush/Clinton did? Where did that get us? Sanctions and talk have failed.

We have reached the point of no return. America can not and must not back down.

prinzeugen

Gatling wrote: »

It's got a hint of WMDs about it ,

These things exist unlike Saddam's.

The reality is that Korea is like Germany.

Always a flash point but ended well enough..

Gatling

prinzeugen wrote: »

These things exist unlike Saddam's.

But most of the scare mongering is been done by 2 media outlets in the US ,
Who apparently keep finding out this information before any real expert clarification on what or if he has ,

PistolsAtDawn

Drop the MOABs!!!