US considering Preemptive Strike against North Korea.

BoJack Horseman

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

But you guys are experts?

Relative to some interwebz kid with an unhealthy priapism for tyrannical dictatorships?

Yes, yes we are!

My cat ****s more expertise than than the bizarro agenda you are trying to offer us.

ohnonotgmail

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

If it's so bad why are these defectors looking to return? Every story is different. Some people just leave for better economic reasons for a better life, not because the North authorities beat them up or tried to imprison them.

Defectors who want to return home.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-26340583

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/05/world/asia/north-korea-defector-south-korea.html

so a "small number" out of 25,000. and most of those want to go back because they left their family behind. hardly a glowing endorsement of the kim regime is it?

Cheerful Spring

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

we could ask the US guy who was released recently about the conditions. Oh wait, we cant because he died in suspicious circumstances that the north koreans cant explain. and all that for stealing a poster.

The guy was a moron for stealing in the first place. You in North Korea now with this crap don't stand. What was he thinking removing a banner from a wall?

Cheerful Spring

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so a "small number" out of 25,000. and most of those want to go back because they left their family behind. hardly a glowing endorsement of the kim regime is it?

Millions have left Ireland, know what i mean!

Cheerful Spring

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Relative to some interwebz kid with an unhealthy priapism for tyrannical dictatorships?

Yes, yes we are!

My cat ****s more expertise than than the bizarro agenda you are trying to offer us.

I have already said the North is not a good power and is ruled the wrong way, but i see how they ended up like this.. If America stopped intervening the North would not be hostile or isolating itself.

ohnonotgmail

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

I have already said the North is not a good power and is ruled the wrong way, but i see how they ended up like this.. If America stopped intervening the North would not be hostile or isolating itself.

they didnt end up like. they started like this.

ohnonotgmail

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

The guy was a moron for stealing in the first place. You in North Korea now with this crap don't stand. What was he thinking removing a banner from a wall?

you were complaining about american jailing people for smoking drugs yet have no problem with north korea killing sombody for stealing a poster? you dont think that is hypocritical?

Kermit.de.frog

Once again the orange one has to roll back on an ill-advised statement.

Cheerful Spring

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

they didnt end up like. they started like this.

Korea was a united country for centuries prior to WW2, it was the Japanese that divided the country. After the war, the Chinese and Soviets took the North, the Americans the South. A civil war happened. It's well documented the South was preparing an invasion of the North. And it 's well documented the North was also. We know the South was preparing an invasion because they had stationed most of it's artillery pieces and men at the border preparing to cross. There is actually a dispute which side started attacking first.

ohnonotgmail

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Korea was a united country for centuries prior to WW2, it was the Japanese that divided the country. After the war, the Chinese and Soviets took the North, the Americans the South. A civil war happened. It's well documented the South was preparing an invasion of the North. And it 's well documented the North was also. We know the South was preparing an invasion because they had stationed most of it's artillery pieces and men at the border preparing to cross. There is actually dispute which side started first.

any dispute is only in your mind.

stevedublin

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

are the north koreans who have escaped also all lying about how bad it is?

actually, some north Korean defectors want to return to the north

ohnonotgmail

stevedublin wrote: »

actually, some north Korean defectors want to return to the north

we have already covered that in the last 30 minutes. the number who want to return are tiny and mostly because they left family behind.

stevedublin

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

we have already covered that in the last 30 minutes. the number who want to return are tiny and mostly because they left family behind.

they feel they would be better treated in the north, even though it is a poorer country.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Korea was a united country for centuries prior to WW2, it was the Japanese that divided the country. After the war, the Chinese and Soviets took the North, the Americans the South. A civil war happened. It's well documented the South was preparing an invasion of the North. And it 's well documented the North was also. We know the South was preparing an invasion because

It's well documented the south mainly only had a police force not an offensive army ,

Cheerful Spring

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you were complaining about american jailing people for smoking drugs yet have no problem with north korea killing sombody for stealing a poster? you dont think that is hypocritical?

How do you know want happened? The guy was arrested in jan 2016, it's not like he died immediately. Could he have had a underlying health issue before this? The American doctors who medically tested him after he got released over found no evidence of physical abuse or torture? So how did he die?

ohnonotgmail

stevedublin wrote: »

they feel they would be better treated in the north, even though it is a poorer country.

or they miss their families. family ties are very strong in asia. given a choice between living in a free country on their own or living in a dictatorship with their family a small number choose the latter. the fact it is only a very small number tell you a lot about life in the north.

ohnonotgmail

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

How do you know want happened? The guy was arrested in jan 2016, it's not like he died immediately. Could he have had a underlying health issue before this? The American doctors who medically tested him after he got released over found no evidence of physical abuse or torture? So how did he die?

He was returned home in a coma that north korea claimed was from botulism. american doctors found no evidence of this. They also forgot to mention that he was in a coma until he was released.

Cheerful Spring

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

or they miss their families. family ties are very strong in asia. given a choice between living in a free country on their own or living in a dictatorship with their family a small number choose the latter. the fact it is only a very small number tell you a lot about life in the north.

Apologists for American imperialism is crazy. You guys would fit right in with the British Empire imperialistic mindset. We just lucky we had people willing to fight for Irish freedom.

Cheerful Spring

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

He was returned home in a coma that north korea claimed was from botulism. american doctors found no evidence of this. They also forgot to mention that he was in a coma until he was released.

They found no evidence of physical abuse or torture, fact. If the North Koreans attacked, punched and kicked him those physical signs would show up in a scan of the human body and brain.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

They found no evidence of physical abuse or torture, fact. If the North Koreans attacked, punched and kicked him those physical signs would show up in a scan of the human body and brain.

After a year no

ohnonotgmail

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

They found no evidence of physical abuse or torture, fact. If the North Korean attacked, punched and kicked him those physical signs would show up in a scan of the human body and brain.

they had him for 17 months. how long do you think bruises last?

ohnonotgmail

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Apologists for American imperialism is crazy. You guys would fit right in with the British Empire imperialistic mindset. We just lucky we had people willing to fight for Irish freedom.

that post didnt mention american or britain. typical strawman nonsense from you.

stevedublin

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

or they miss their families. family ties are very strong in asia. given a choice between living in a free country on their own or living in a dictatorship with their family a small number choose the latter. the fact it is only a very small number tell you a lot about life in the north.

*facepalm*

Cheerful Spring

Gatling wrote: »

After a year no

You know the timeline for the attack? Could it be he just had a underlining medical condition? If they cracked he's skull there be signs years after the attack.

ohnonotgmail

stevedublin wrote: »

*facepalm*

You can tell the quality of a poster by their insightful rebuttals.

Cheerful Spring

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

that post didnt mention american or britain. typical strawman nonsense from you.

If you support imperialism you support it elsewhere.

Gringo180

Manic Moran wrote: »

Two interesting claims there. Would you care to back them up?

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/opinions/the-us-war-crime-north-korea-wont-forget/2015/03/20/fb525694-ce80-11e4-8c54-ffb5ba6f2f69_story.html#ampshare=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-us-war-crime-north-korea-wont-forget/2015/03/20/fb525694-ce80-11e4-8c54-ffb5ba6f2f69_story.html

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

You know the timeline for the attack? Could it be he just had a underlining medical condition? If they cracked he's skull there be signs years after the attack.

Not brusing though

ohnonotgmail

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

You know the timeline for the attack? Could it be he just had a underlining medical condition? If they cracked he's skull there be signs years after the attack.

nobody has any idea what happened to him after he was arrested. he disappeared into a black hole until he reappeared in a vegetative state. almost like the norks have something to hide.

Gatling

Gringo180 wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/opinions/the-us-war-crime-north-korea-wont-forget/2015/03/20/fb525694-ce80-11e4-8c54-ffb5ba6f2f69_story.html#ampshare=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-us-war-crime-north-korea-wont-forget/2015/03/20/fb525694-ce80-11e4-8c54-ffb5ba6f2f69_story.html

No mention of millions you claimed odd but expected

6 -7 million you quoted that would have meant over two thirds of the population which was at 9 million in 1950 and about 8 .5 million in 1953.


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