US considering Preemptive Strike against North Korea.

archer22

Gatling wrote: »

They have been doing it for decades ,

Sorry

Yeah but only in dreams and that doesn't count

Gatling

Any how ,

Trump has said a few new things not on Twitter ,
But the whole fire and Fury statement he believes wasn't tough enough

BillyBobBS

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

He was talking about war. If you think he was talking about something else enlighten us all?

You where caught out telling porkies. I'll post the quote again if you like?

Irish Praetorian

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Korea was united for hundreds and hundreds of years. Korea was invaded during WW2. South Korea regime was unpopular, it only survived because the American army stepped in to protect the leadership who asked for military help. The people were indifferent back then, the north economy was actually better off back then.

A few historical points; firstly Korea was not invaded in WW2, since the early part of the 20th Century it had been ruled by the Japanese with all the characteristic brutality of Japanese rule in South East Asia. The division occurred post-war period. Secondly, I'm not sure how you seek to accurately characterise the popularity of a regime in a single word - the flow of refugees South during the War, and the similar outflow of people that Stalinist regimes would see throughout the Cold-War period suggests that totalitarian governments aren't that popular. Not that the South can be said to be that much better, then again, Syngman Rhee was eventually forced from office by the people, something we could only dream of for North Korea. Lastly, the period of North Korea outstripping the south economically is largely thought to be from post-1953 up to some point in the 1970s, not before the war began.

Cheerful Spring

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

A few historical points; firstly Korea was not invaded in WW2, since the early part of the 20th Century it had been ruled by the Japanese with all the characteristic brutality of Japanese rule in South East Asia. The division occurred post-war period. Secondly, I'm not sure how you seek to accurately characterise the popularity of a regime in a single word - the flow of refugees South during the War, and the similar outflow of people that Stalinist regimes would see throughout the Cold-War period suggests that totalitarian governments aren't that popular. Not that the South can be said to be that much better, then again, Syngman Rhee was eventually forced from office by the people, something we could only dream of for North Korea. Lastly, the period of North Korea outstripping the south economically is largely thought to be from post-1953 up to some point in the 1970s, not before the war began.

Who removed the Japanese forces during WW2? Even though it was the allies this still was an invasion of Korea by foreign forces. Japan was a foreign invader too.

False around 1949 is when the North economy recovered and economic growth started.

Cheerful Spring

BillyBobBS wrote: »

You where caught out telling porkies. I'll post the quote again if you like?

No need to he was talking about war.

Cheerful Spring

Gatling wrote: »

Any how ,

Trump has said a few new things not on Twitter ,
But the whole fire and Fury statement he believes wasn't tough enough

You hot and turned on?

Irish Praetorian

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Who removed the Japanese forces during WW2? Even though it was the allies this still was an invasion of Korea by foreign forces. Japan was a foreign invader too.

False around 1949 is when the North economy recovered and economic growth started.

From the North the Soviet forces, from the South, the Allied (primarily US) forces. And yes Japan was indeed a foreign invader, hence the brutal part.

Now as for the economic part, this is a little perplexing, you're suggesting the economy started to outstrip the South at the same time as apparently it was being bombed to crap?

Cheerful Spring

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

Now as for the economic part, this is a little perplexing, you're suggesting the economy started to outstrip the South at the same time as apparently it was being bombed to crap?

War interrupted the boom, it happens.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

1949 is when the North economy recovered and economic growth started.

And then invaded south Korea in 1950 and have suffered ever since at the hands of despot rulers

BillyBobBS

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

No need to he was talking about war.

:pac: Okay then

smurgen

Trump really isn't helping the situation. Making statement after statement each more unguarded than the last.I'm not excusing North Korea but i'd much rather someone more measured than Trump to be dealing with this.

BillyBobBS

smurgen wrote: »

Trump really isn't helping the situation. Making statement after statement each more unguarded than the last.I'm not excusing North Korea but i'd much rather someone more measured than Trump to be dealing with this.

He's doing the right thing. Obama, Clinton and Bush failed to tackle the NK situation. Trump is left to deal with the mess and is doing an outstanding job.

Cheerful Spring

Gatling wrote: »

And then invaded south Korea in 1950 and have suffered ever since at the hands of despot rulers

Update your history. Syngman Rhee boasted that he was going to attack North Korea first and was preparing for it, by massing his forces right on the border. This was the trigger for war. And some historians still debate about who attacked who first. The North obviously did better when they attacked first and seems like they are the aggressor, but we know the North was preparing for a war to take the South after the threats.

Gatling

smurgen wrote: »

Trump really isn't helping the situation. Making statement after statement each more unguarded than the last.

Unfortunately he's all we have ,china could easily step up and have a decent attempt at settling this ,
But no they too busy trying to grab the south China seas for themselves

Ipso

BillyBobBS wrote: »

He's doing the right thing. Obama, Clinton and Bush failed to tackle the NK situation. Trump is left to deal with the mess and is doing an outstanding job.

I wouldn't say he's doing an outstanding job, he needs to keep his fragile ego in check and tell China to let lard ass know that they would be turned to glass in seconds if they done anything.
This North Korean posturing is designed to appeal to the brain washed citizens.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Update your history. The North obviously did attack first and seems like they are the aggressor,

This is documented fact ,

Cheerful Spring

Soviet version of how the Korean war started.


In the beginning of 1949 the Soviet embassy began to alert the Kremlin to the growing number of violations of the 38th parallel by South Korean police and armed force. On 3 February 1949 Soviet Ambassador to North Korea Shtykov bitterly complained that the North Koreans did not have enough trained personnel, adequate weapons and sufficient number of bullets to rebuff intensifying incursions from the South. Receiving Kim II Sung in the Kremlin on 5 March 194, Stalin showed an open concern about growing pressure from the opponent in the vicinity of the 38th parallel and emphatically told Kim "The 38th parallel must be peaceful. It is very important." (2)

On 17 April 1949, Stalin informed his ambassador of an imminent attack from the South. The Soviet ambassador confirmed that a large-scale war was being prepared by Seoul with the help of Americans and raised alarm about the inability of North Korean troops to withstand the aggression. (3) In May-August 1949 the Kremlin and Pyongyang continued to exchange data about a possible attack from the South. The USSR was clearly afraid of such an attack, and was nervous not knowing pondered how to prevent the war. Stalin repeatedly castigated Ambassador Shtykov for failing to do everything in his power to maintain peace on the 38th parallel.

the North Korean leadership increasingly put pressure on the Kremlin, demanding permission to liberate the South. On 7 March 1949, while talking to Stalin in Moscow, Kim II Sung said: "We believe that the situation makes it necessary and possible to liberate the whole country through military means." The Soviet leader disagreed, citing the military weakness of the North, the USSR-USA agreement on the 38th parallel and the possibility of American intervention.

This is history that don't get thought. The North and South was preparing to attack each other. There was no innocent party in all this.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Soviet version of how the Korean war started.

Who were involved with the invasion of the south .


Soviets lol

Cheerful Spring

Gatling wrote: »

Who were involved with the invasion of the south .


Soviets lol

Soviet Union did not attack South Korea, please stop promoting false history.

Cheerful Spring

Gatling wrote: »

This is documented fact ,

American facts don't mean much to intelligence beings. This is the same people who created a dossier of fake intelligence to attack a foreign country, Nobody today disputes this.

BillyBobBS

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Soviet Union did not attack South Korea, please stop promoting false history.

Come on now you shouldn't be lecturing others on false info.

ohnonotgmail

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Soviet Union did not attack South Korea, please stop promoting false history.

They just supplied planes and pilots to help the north koreans attack the south.

http://www.skywar.ru/korwald.html

or are you going to say that the russian archives that document this are fake?

Cheerful Spring

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Come on now you shouldn't be lecturing others on false info.

My info is truthful no lies.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

American facts don't mean much to intelligence beings.

So north Korea invaded south Korea based off what the Kremlin wanted so they sent hundreds of fighters and pilots and thousands me to attack too.

It would be Shocking if it wasn't true but unfortunately we all know it's historical fact

BillyBobBS

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

My info is truthful no lies.

Once again you inserted the word "War" into a speech president Trump made yesterday. It was false and you refuse to admit it.

Cheerful Spring

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

They just supplied planes and pilots to help the north koreans attack the south.

http://www.skywar.ru/korwald.html

or are you going to say that the russian archives that document this are fake?

America attacked North Korea with armies? Soviets did not involve themselves in a major war they had commonsense. They even stayed out when the Americans crossed the border into North Korea and destroyed cities and towns and massacred over 2 million plus people. But you guys love imperialism and Rambo so it cool to you guys.

ohnonotgmail

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

America attacked North Korea with armies? Soviets did not involve themselves in a major war they had commonsense. They even stayed out when the Americans crossed the border into North Korea and destroyed cities and towns and massacred over 2 million plus people. But you guys love imperialism and Rambo so it cool to you guys.

So there were no russian pilots and planes fighting for the north?

Ipso

Come on, save it for conspiracy theory forums.

Cheerful Spring

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

So there were no russian pilots and planes fighting for the north?

They are an ally of the North, why would they not help them? But they did not join the war officially and massacre millions of innocent people. Soviet pilots engaging American pilots, so what?