US considering Preemptive Strike against North Korea.

Nettle Soup

War of words. Nothing more. Chinese leaders just laugh at both these idiots.

BillyBobBS

President Trump now saying the US is "Locked and loaded" if NK decide to act unwisely. He's doing a great job as president in fairness compared to that windbag Obama who let NK run riot over the last 8 years bringing us to this point.

Wanderer78

BillyBobBS wrote: »

President Trump now saying the US is "Locked and loaded" if NK decide to act unwisely. He's doing a great job as president in fairness compared to that windbag Obama who let NK run riot over the last 8 years bringing us to this point.

really!:rolleyes:

Nettle Soup

BillyBobBS wrote: »

President Trump now saying the US is "Locked and loaded" if NK decide to act unwisely. He's doing a great job as president in fairness compared to that windbag Obama who let NK run riot over the last 8 years bringing us to this point.

Run riot? Talk is cheap. Non story. Give it a month. They both talk nonsense. Comical.

Akrasia

"Military solutions are now fully in place, locked and loaded, should North Korea act unwisely. Hopefully Kim Jong-un will find another path!"

Trump has just dared Kim to fire his missiles.

There is absolutely no reason to escalate this to the point of nuclear brinkmanship.

What an idiot.

BillyBobBS

Nettle Soup wrote: »

Run riot? Talk is cheap. Non story. Give it a month. They both talk nonsense. Comical.

Your lack of a grasp on the situation is comical.

Nettle Soup

Akrasia wrote: »

"Military solutions are now fully in place, locked and loaded, should North Korea act unwisely. Hopefully Kim Jong-un will find another path!"

Trump has just dared Kim to fire his missiles.

There is absolutely no reason to escalate this to the point of nuclear brinkmanship.

What an idiot.

I would love to play Trump in poker.

Didn't he say once that a group of warships were speeding towards the south China Sea when they were heading the wrong direction.

War on Twitter by a twit.

The_Valeyard

Akrasia wrote: »

"Military solutions are now fully in place, locked and loaded, should North Korea act unwisely. Hopefully Kim Jong-un will find another path!"

Trump has just dared Kim to fire his missiles.

There is absolutely no reason to escalate this to the point of nuclear brinkmanship.

What an idiot.

China wont help N.Korea if they attack US first.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/china-warns-north-korea-youre-on-your-own-if-you-go-after-the-us/2017/08/11/a01a4396-7e68-11e7-9026-4a0a64977c92_story.html?utm_term=.cdf78c328d2f

Nettle Soup

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Your lack of a grasp on the situation is comical.

I will reply to this post on 11th September and we will see what changed.

BillyBobBS

Nettle Soup wrote: »

I will reply to this post on 11th September and we will see what changed.

Yeah that's fine...

The_Valeyard

Nettle Soup wrote: »

War on Twitter by a twit.

loose tweets sink fleets.

Cheerful Spring

Manic Moran wrote: »

All they have to do is go back about 70 years and find out what happened the first (and only) time a country took that philosophy. The end result was that an under-funded, under-trained military found itself getting steamrolled because, contrary to what the Air Force was saying about just dropping A-bombs on people, a competent conventional force was found to be necessary for incidentsfor which, perhaps, nuclear weapons might be a little inappropriat

North Korea is a poor country, they don't have the money to have a strong army. Frankly they would only be wasting money modernizing. Spending money on missiles and nuclear technology is cheap and a more effective deterrent for them.

Cheerful Spring

ilkhanid wrote: »

Yes, it's wrong of them to attempt to impose their will on the population of South Korea...unless you're going to come out with the ludicrous proposition that the population are chafing under the rule of their-democratic-government and want to rejoin their northern brethern under the tender rule of the Kims!
And next you'll tell us that the artillery pieces aimed at Seoul will only target their government and not the general population. Since the general population of North Korea are the ones that suffer horribly under Kim rule, I doubt the population of the South are fooled. You sound as deluded as the Soviet propagandists-in good faith or cynically, who can tell-who used to try to convince the people of the GDR that the proletariet of the BRD, groaning under the oppression of the Capitalistic imperialists Neo-Nazis in Bonn were waiting for the wonderful GDR, Stasi and all, to liberate them.

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I doubt it today they would accept Kim rule. North Korea is run by man children and is a closed Stalinist like society. The 1950's the South Koreans would have accepted the change was a different time. I feel North Korea would be a different country, today, if America did not intervene. Would North Korea be better off without the Kim Dynasty, yes of course, but the Kim Dynasty only lasts or exists today because of American imperialism.

ohnonotgmail

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

I doubt it today they would accept Kim rule. North Korea is run by man children and is a closed Stalinist like society. The 1950's the South Koreans would have accepted the change was a different time. I feel North Korea would be a different country, today, if America did not intervene. Would North Korea be better off without the Kim Dynasty, yes of course, but the Kim Dynasty only lasts or exists today because of American imperialism.

it was the UN that intervened. Or is that not true in your alternative history?

Cheerful Spring

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

it was the UN that intervened. Or is that not true in your alternative history?

Countries allied with America voted for war. America applies pressure on countries to side with them. Soviet Union never voted for action, either did China.

Cheerful Spring

The_Valeyard wrote: »

China wont help N.Korea if they attack US first.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/china-warns-north-korea-youre-on-your-own-if-you-go-after-the-us/2017/08/11/a01a4396-7e68-11e7-9026-4a0a64977c92_story.html?utm_term=.cdf78c328d2f

Trump, the man child, better not strike first. China to their credit is warning both sides. North knows China will not side with them, if they strike first. America now knows China is thinking about helping the North if Trump strikes first.

ohnonotgmail

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Countries allied with America voted for war. America applies pressure on countries to side with them. Soviet Union never voted for action, either did China.

The soviet union abstained. Actually they didnt bother to turn up. It also depends which china you are referring to. The Republic of China voted for the UN resolution calling for member to assist South Korea.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Countries allied with America voted for war. America applies pressure on countries to side with them. Soviet Union never voted for action, either did China.

But the majority of the UN and wasn't it true that russia at the time were boycotting the UN so why would they be in a room if they weren't actually there

Infini

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

I doubt it today they would accept Kim rule. North Korea is run by man children and is a closed Stalinist like society. The 1950's the South Koreans would have accepted the change was a different time. I feel North Korea would be a different country, today, if America did not intervene. Would North Korea be better off without the Kim Dynasty, yes of course, but the Kim Dynasty only lasts or exists today because of American imperialism.

They only exist today because of CHINA backing them but even they're getting fed up with their bull. They dont want nukes in their own backyard, they certainly dont want South Korea or Japan readying nukes in response to NKs nukes and they certainly wont help North Korea if they trigger a war first.

North Korea is a basketcase because of its refusal to move on. Its a stalinist dictatorship stuck in the 1950's thinking and is one of the poorest countries in the world because its all set up to support a small leadership over everyone else. The problem here is they're getting too cocky and theyre pushing their own luck with EVERYONE not just the US. Its the case of the idiot poking the sleeping dragon.

Trump might be an idiot but to be honest he might not be wrong giving them a taste of their own medicine in upping the rhetoric for a change. If there's one correct way in doing so its this: Voicing the view that people are just getting fed up so don't do something stupid that will backfire. It's also a clear fact that SK, Japan and the US would easily pound the ****e out of NK if it comes to it. NK's been talking shyte for years and they've been getting away with stuff for way too long but they refuse to change and eventually it gets to a point that everyone wont tolerate anymore of this carryon.

The military excerises might seem provocative but to be honest they're there BECAUSE NK keeps constantly going on with the rhetoric and refusing to give up. China is pretty clear that if the US were to invade unprovoked they would respond but they're also becoming clear that if NK initiates hostilities by provoking the US FIRST that they basically will get whats coming to them because they started it.

Noone wants a war there because it would be a mess but to be honest this carry-on is getting old as well. NK has nothing to fear of being attacked first because china would come help if they were but they constantly provoke and threaten and are being the belligerent ones. What they basically need is proverbial bloody nose at this point (probably a precision strike on their nuclear or missile sites) and a downright reality check that if they keep this up its all gonna come tumbling down.

They go round wanting the US to fear and respect them but the reality is all they're gonna do is Demand their attention militarily if needs be.

Grayson

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

The soviet union abstained. Actually they didnt bother to turn up. It also depends which china you are referring to. The Republic of China voted for the UN resolution calling for member to assist South Korea.

Yeah, the soviet union decided to not turn up in protest against something. So that was the day the security council decided send troops.

And the Russians made sure they were there every day after that.

ilkhanid

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

I doubt it today they would accept Kim rule. North Korea is run by man children and is a closed Stalinist like society. The 1950's the South Koreans would have accepted the change was a different time. I feel North Korea would be a different country, today, if America did not intervene. Would North Korea be better off without the Kim Dynasty, yes of course, but the Kim Dynasty only lasts or exists today because of American imperialism.

I've replied to this point more than once, notably in posts#691 and #1089

Elmer Blooker

BillyBobBS wrote: »

He's doing a great job as president in fairness compared to that windbag Obama who let NK run riot over the last 8 years bringing us to this point.

It seems that "windbag" was too busy elsewhere and didn't have time to concentrate on North Korea.

Before he took office in 2008, Barack Obama vowed to end America’s grueling conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan. During his second term, he pledged to take the country off what he called a permanent war footing.
But Obama leaves a very different legacy as he prepares to hand his commander-in-chief responsibilities to Donald Trump.
U.S. military forces have been at war for all eight years of Obama’s tenure, the first two-term president with that distinction. He launched airstrikes or military raids in at least seven countries: Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan.

http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-na-pol-obama-at-war/

tonycascarino

This ''war'' is never going to happen. It is just the usual my dad is bigger than your dad rhetoric from both sides.

The_Valeyard

tonycascarino wrote: »

This ''war'' is never going to happen. It is just the usual my dad is bigger than your dad rhetoric from both sides.

Yeah but in this case, one guys dad is Conor McGregor and the other is Danny DeVito

The_Kew_Tour

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Yeah but in this case, one guys dad is Conor McGregor and the other is Danny DeVito

I do feel sorry for Conor McGregor son growing up . No chance.

Nettle Soup

North Korea haven't a hope in hell of hitting Guam. The whole "standoff" is a ridiculous sham.

Gatling

Looks like Japan are relocating their patriot Missles systems to cities and the coast ,

Get the feeling the NK missles will get shot down if they go over or close to Japan or Guam

Nettle Soup

Gatling wrote: »

Looks like Japan are relocating their patriot Missles systems to cities and the coast ,

Get the feeling the NK missles will get shot down if they go over or close to Japan or Guam

Those patriot missiles weren't worth a curse when Saddam was launching skuds into Israel. To be fair the scuds were also pretty useless. Patriots or not, no NK missiles will hit Guam in my lifetime.

Gatling

Nettle Soup wrote: »

Those patriot missiles weren't worth a curse when Saddam was launching skuds

They have vastly improved since then

bazz26

had to laugh at this: