US considering Preemptive Strike against North Korea.

Gringo180

seiphil wrote: »

For a neutral view on things you should check out Derek Ford's twitter. He's a professor who visited North Korea the past few days and put up plenty of photos of what North Korean life is like. No surprises it's a lot different than to what we are told.

I'm on my phone so can't link his twitter feed. But he is @derekrford if you're interested in checking it out.

Looks like a normal functioning society. The media really do make it out to be some sort of hell on earth were freedom of movement and thought is restricted

Gatling

seiphil wrote: »

Yea, absolutely everything is staged.

Actually yes you don't walk into NK from the west and start snapping away unless you have expressed permission from the leaders ,
And walk out again to tell twatter the world got it wrong ,

Like come on have to say the pro Kimmies are not doing a great job of this at all ,
From america wiping out the population of NK 3 times over in a three year period but some how bounced back to have a population 25 million today ,
We lost 2 million to the famine between deaths and immigration and still haven't recovered the population ,

NK has been threatening south Korea for best part of 6 decades with invasion and attacks yet somehow we get it's all americas fault ,

Gringo180

Gatling wrote: »

NK has been threatening south Korea for best part of 6 decades with invasion and attacks

Your mates in the American government have being doing the same to Cuba for the past half century.

seiphil

Gatling wrote: »

Actually yes you don't walk into NK from the west and start snapping away unless you have expressed permission from the leaders ,
And walk out again to tell twatter the world got it wrong ,

Like come on have to say the pro Kimmies are not doing a great job of this at all ,
From america wiping out the population of NK 3 times over in a three year period but some how bounced back to have a population 25 million today ,
We lost 2 million to the famine between deaths and immigration and still haven't recovered the population ,

NK has been threatening south Korea for best part of 6 decades with invasion and attacks yet somehow we get it's all americas fault ,

Yes, they are paranoid. They have every right to be. But no, not everything is staged. Of course they put events on for guests etc because they do want to be seen in a good light. But life also goes on around them.

The Famine in North Korea was generally down to sanctions and drought. Only certain countries are allowed trade with NK and it's not enough to feed the country. The food that they did have went to the army. If they don't feed the army they wouldn't have an army to defend itself. Whether you like it or not is North Korea's best interests. Otherwise, you probably wouldn't have a North Korea then.

Look America are of course not to blame for everything. But they are heavily involved and a lot of the blame does land at their feet. They are still technically still at war so the 6 decades of threatening invasions and attacks is not that surprising. It also goes both ways.

It's sad that I predicted this months and months ago. Hate for Trump would mean sympathy for anything going against Trump. I jokingly said it would even include North Korea.

There are gulags with three generations of families stuck in them in 2017, and people are clammering to excuse it based on hatred for one man.

We should all be ashamed that NK is allowed to exist like this after WWII. We said it would never happen again and now we even have people saying it's not that bad.

Kim Jong Un would be Stalin if his country was big and rich enough. But Trump is worse.

ChikiChiki

Wouldn't be surprised if Trump goes at NK to deflect from his truly idiotic comments this morning. He doesn't listen to advisors and just acts rogue.

josip

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Wouldn't be surprised if Trump goes at NK to deflect from his truly idiotic comments this morning. He doesn't listen to advisors and just acts rogue.

His advisors might suggest a trip to Dallas soon.

BillyBobBS

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Wouldn't be surprised if Trump goes at NK to deflect from his truly idiotic comments this morning. He doesn't listen to advisors and just acts rogue.

Or maybe he'll go at them because they are a repulsive disgusting regime who now threaten the world with nuclear tipped ICBM's. I dunno just a thought :rolleyes:

archer22

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Or maybe he'll go at them because they are a repulsive disgusting regime who now threaten the world with nuclear tipped ICBM's. I dunno just a thought :rolleyes:

When did the World shrink?...seems to be only the United States and it's few vassal nations now in it.

Mind you they do also like to refer to themselves as "the international community" as well...when they make an effort to make themselves look big.

A bit like those Frogs that inflate their necks to try to intimidate

archer22

Anyhow the way things are going in the old Great Satan, it will be only a matter of time before they are slaughtering each other on a grand scale.

Ah well at least it will keep their blood lust satisfied for a while and give poor folks in mud huts around the globe a break.

Zebra3

Gatling wrote: »

But as we all know NK have their missles .

What we all know is that the US has a far greater number of missiles than NK and is much keener to use them, and is much happier slaughtering people around the world than NK is.

But you're happy enough to see a man who depends on the support of neo-nazis threaten random nations around the world because they don't bow down to the US.

The stream of propaganda on Venezuela is embarrassing. All these gimps in the US standing up proclaiming their support for "human rights in Venezuela" yet they are the same scum who back the butchers of the Saudi dictatorship. A dictatorship which loves chopping off the heads of other human beings and which is causing genocidal conditions in Yemen. All backed by the US and the compliant western media.

Your support for these thugs is utterly shameful.

Zebra3

archer22 wrote: »

Anyhow the way things are going in the old Great Satan, it will be only a matter of time before they are slaughtering each other on a grand scale.

Ah well at least it will keep their blood lust satisfied for a while and give poor folks in mud huts around the globe a break.

The people in the US have been slaughtering each other for years.

Something 30,000 per annum killed by guns in the US.

Compliant media ignores it though.

If this was happening in Russia or some other Official Enemy State, it'd be a different ball game.

Journalist Mark Curtis checked the BBC website for articles on Venezula and Yemen.

The US (and its bitches) want change in Venezula. Articles:35.

The US (and its bitches) are arming Saudi Arabia in its war on the people of Yemen that has left about 7,000,000 in danger of starving to death. Articles:2.

You can watch the likes of BBC for many things, just don't watch it expecting unbiased news.

Gatling

Zebra3 wrote: »

What we all know is that the US has a far greater number of missiles than NK and is much keener to use them, and is much happier slaughtering people around the world than NK is.

So your crying about human rights again while cheering one of the worse Human rights abusers in the world ,

Sad really ,

Yemen what about Iran's involvement in the slaughter (whole different thread ) more faux outrage from the usual

But hey


Kim won't be around for long

Jelle1880

Gatling wrote: »

So your crying about human rights again while cheering one of the worse Human rights abusers in the world ,

Sad really ,

Yemen what about Iran's involvement in the slaughter (whole different thread ) more faux outrage from the usual

But hey


Kim won't be around for long

That's what they said about his dad and grandfather as well.

Ipso

Deleted User wrote: »

It's sad that I predicted this months and months ago. Hate for Trump would mean sympathy for anything going against Trump. I jokingly said it would even include North Korea.

There are gulags with three generations of families stuck in them in 2017, and people are clammering to excuse it based on hatred for one man.

We should all be ashamed that NK is allowed to exist like this after WWII. We said it would never happen again and now we even have people saying it's not that bad.

Kim Jong Un would be Stalin if his country was big and rich enough. But Trump is worse.

Hold on, we haven't hit peak stupid yet.

ArchXStanton

Zebra3 wrote: »

What we all know is that the US has a far greater number of missiles than NK and is much keener to use them, and is much happier slaughtering people around the world than NK is.

But you're happy enough to see a man who depends on the support of neo-nazis threaten random nations around the world because they don't bow down to the US.

The stream of propaganda on Venezuela is embarrassing. All these gimps in the US standing up proclaiming their support for "human rights in Venezuela" yet they are the same scum who back the butchers of the Saudi dictatorship. A dictatorship which loves chopping off the heads of other human beings and which is causing genocidal conditions in Yemen. All backed by the US and the compliant western media.

Your support for these thugs is utterly shameful.

Awful pity the US couldn't manage this type of military build up and fire and fury just off the coast of Syria when Isis death squads were running around chopping the heads off innocent people! The Russians did more in a week than they did in a whole year...

Ipso

Zebra3 wrote: »

What we all know is that the US has a far greater number of missiles than NK and is much keener to use them, and is much happier slaughtering people around the world than NK is.

But you're happy enough to see a man who depends on the support of neo-nazis threaten random nations around the world because they don't bow down to the US.

The stream of propaganda on Venezuela is embarrassing. All these gimps in the US standing up proclaiming their support for "human rights in Venezuela" yet they are the same scum who back the butchers of the Saudi dictatorship. A dictatorship which loves chopping off the heads of other human beings and which is causing genocidal conditions in Yemen. All backed by the US and the compliant western media.

Your support for these thugs is utterly shameful.

No, normal people condemn atrocities as they arise regardless of who commits it. People like you are soft defending dictators to score political points against opponents (mixed in with some ignorance and romanticism of certain failed ideologies).

Elmer Blooker

Gatling wrote: »

So it seems China isn't the only country supplying Kim's missle development program,
For a while an investigation has been ongoing about where and when the new rockets came from ,
It was quickly pointed out the new rockets had alot of similarity with another rocker produced in Ukraine Very close to the from lines with the conflict with russian forces ,
The company who made the rockets have claimed they solely supplied the Russian government with the rockets for their space program ,
But some how went from russia to Pyongyang to be used in ICBMs in secret,

From your link:

North Korea’s success in testing an intercontinental ballistic missile that appears able to reach the United States was made possible by black-market purchases of powerful rocket engines probably from a Ukrainian factory with historical ties to Russia’s missile program,

The "historical ties" are called the Soviet Union.
A very feeble piece of fake news.

flaneur

Does the 'red button' actually do anything?
Or, does it just send an instruction to the joint chiefs to implement a particular plan in a Cold War like scenario where they were left responding to an attack from a known enemy?

I am just very concerned that the current political crisis in the US might lead to Trump deciding to Nuke North Korea purely for political cover and good press and would hope that there is some degree of US military counterbalance to his decision, if he really did something THAT crazy.

seiphil

So after North Korea trying to cool things down yesterday and put out an olive branch. The Americans the very next day hold air drills over the Korean Peninsula. This will drive tensions up again.

Like seriously. At this stage South Korea need to get on to America and tell them to back off! They will be responsible for a lot of South Korean civilians deaths.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-16/us-and-japan-hold-joint-military-exercises-china-north-korea-fume

ilkhanid

Zebra3 wrote: »

Not that the US had a problem with Saddam when he was gassing Kurds and Iranians.

Neither did just about every other power in the world and every state that sold or dealt in weapons, or did business with the Arab world-which is quite a lot. So the old uniquely evil USA doesn't wash in this case.

seiphil wrote: »

So what if he thinks South Korea is a repressive regime.

A person who believes that South Korea is repressive and North Korea is "somewhat" normal has a perspective so twisted, it's a wonder he can pick up a cup set in front of him. He belongs in that long, inglorious tradition of useful idiots, fawning lovers of tyrants that has disgraced the twentieth century (at least this century is lighter on them-lessons learned) from the Webbs to Hewlett Johnson to D.N Pritt to the Mao lovers.People who could walk through the Ukraine in 1930 or China in 1969 and see nothing but smiling, happy faces.

seiphil wrote: »

It doesn't negate the fact that North Korea has a somewhat normal society from what he has shown us.

Does a normal society forbid its citizens from leaving the country?
Does a normal society forbid its farmers from cultivating their own land?
Does a normal society require its citizens to have a portrait of the Great or Dear Leader, or whatever this sadistic,snot-nosed liittle bully is called, in their home?

BillyBobBS

ArchXStanton wrote: »

Awful pity the US couldn't manage this type of military build up and fire and fury just off the coast of Syria when Isis death squads were running around chopping the heads off innocent people! The Russians did more in a week than they did in a whole year...

Step forward ex president Obama.

BillyBobBS

seiphil wrote: »

So after North Korea trying to cool things down yesterday and put out an olive branch. The Americans the very next day hold air drills over the Korean Peninsula. This will drive tensions up again.

Like seriously. At this stage South Korea need to get on to America and tell them to back off! They will be responsible for a lot of South Korean civilians deaths.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-16/us-and-japan-hold-joint-military-exercises-china-north-korea-fume

The air drills have been planned months ago.

BillyBobBS

The narrative in the MSM has changed of late from:

"NK is a awful place full of horrible bad people and they eat their own babies" etc..

To

"NK ain't that bad and Trump is just bullying them because he's a wacist"

All this is being done in the name of removing Trump from power which isn't going to happen.

BillyBobBS

Deleted User wrote: »

It's sad that I predicted this months and months ago. Hate for Trump would mean sympathy for anything going against Trump. I jokingly said it would even include North Korea.

There are gulags with three generations of families stuck in them in 2017, and people are clammering to excuse it based on hatred for one man.

We should all be ashamed that NK is allowed to exist like this after WWII. We said it would never happen again and now we even have people saying it's not that bad.

Kim Jong Un would be Stalin if his country was big and rich enough. But Trump is worse.

Completely agree. It's actually getting to the stage where if ISIS where to attack let's say an American embassy somewhere in the world killing scores of Americans it would be Trump's fault for being mean to ISIS in the media's eyes.

BillyBobBS

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Completely agree. It's actually getting to the stage where if ISIS where to attack let's say an American embassy somewhere in the world killing scores of Americans it would be Trump's fault for being mean to ISIS in the media's eyes.

God forbid he actually supports some progressive policies.. The left would hammer themselves back into 1850s.

Gatling

ArchXStanton wrote: »

The Russians did more in a week than they did in a whole year...

Did you read that on Sputnik

archer22

flaneur wrote: »

Does the 'red button' actually do anything?
Or, does it just send an instruction to the joint chiefs to implement a particular plan in a Cold War like scenario where they were left responding to an attack from a known enemy?

I am just very concerned that the current political crisis in the US might lead to Trump deciding to Nuke North Korea purely for political cover and good press and would hope that there is some degree of US military counterbalance to his decision, if he really did something THAT crazy.

No Trump won't attack North Korea...it's far too prickly a proposition.

He has been poking Iran a bit lately also looking for any weakness...but Iran still looks strong and resolute...so also off the menu for now.

But not to worry he has got lucky and found a nice easy looking victim called Venezuela....which I expect will soon be in the cooking pot.

archer22

Gatling wrote: »

Did you read that on Sputnik

Do you ever say anything that makes sense?....or do you just love reading your own posts!!

ArchXStanton

Gatling wrote: »

Did you read that on Sputnik

I would think most would agree(anyone with two braincells to rub together) that before the Russians entered Syria,ISIS were gaining ground and Syria was in total chaos.a year later and the tide has most definitely turned there,it was funny when they arrived and proclaimed"we're here to fight isis,who's with us?"....only to have the US sitting there po-faced