strange anti-cycling posters up in Howth

cython

Yourself isit wrote: »

Of course it's not my video. It's an example.

The car fell behind as it was probably obeying speed limits.

As has been pointed out time and again:

1. Speed limits do not apply to pedal cycles as they are not "mechanically propelled vehicles"
2. Even if they did, the cyclist was not exceeding 50 km/h.

Ever consider that the driver simply knew the road and that they would have no further chance to overtake at that point, so just sat back? Unlikely as it may seem to some people (in particular based on the apparent behaviour of the "average" motorist), plenty of drivers are actually capable of making such a determination, and simply relaxing.

All My Stars Aligned

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Must have been some splash when they hit the harbour?


There is a decent train service too.



I've had this problem with the number of cars around Dublin compared to a number of years ago. I hope you can understand how frustrated I am as the current numbers on any given day have an impact on my day-to-day life. That said, there's not really anything I can do except learn to live with it.

Unfortunately your reply seems to sum up the attitude of many cyclists these day's in that you display willingness to even try to see thing from the somebody else's point of view. I sincerely hope you aren't so blinkered when your out on the bike.

AndrewJRenko

All My Stars Aligned wrote: »

Unfortunately your reply seems to sum up the attitude of many cyclists these day's in that you display willingness to even try to see thing from the somebody else's point of view. I sincerely hope you aren't so blinkered when your out on the bike.

Fighting Tao

All My Stars Aligned wrote: »

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Must have been some splash when they hit the harbour?


There is a decent train service too.



I've had this problem with the number of cars around Dublin compared to a number of years ago. I hope you can understand how frustrated I am as the current numbers on any given day have an impact on my day-to-day life. That said, there's not really anything I can do except learn to live with it.

Unfortunately your reply seems to sum up the attitude of many cyclists these day's in that you display willingness to even try to see thing from the somebody else's point of view. I sincerely hope you aren't so blinkered when your out on the bike.

Most cyclists are motorists too. Now where did Tenzor07 leave the double face palm meme?

OleRodrigo

The main issue is that residents coming out of side streets, crossing the road in the village, coming out of the church etc etc..find it hard to spot a descending cyclist until its too late. You look, don't see anything, make your move and then suddenly there's a cyclist on top of you.

Its much easier to see a car, so coming down the hill on the bike you should expect people may not see you. Its a fair compromise between residents and cyclists out to enjoy the area, to keep speeds at a rate everyone can manage.

Fast descending ( 45 kmph + ) in the village is a technical skill that, IMHO , most riders don't have.

Chuchote

OleRodrigo wrote: »

The main issues are that residents coming out of side streets, crossing the road in the village, coming out of the church etc etc..find it hard to spot a descending cyclist until its too late. You look, don't see anything, make your move and then suddenly there's a cyclist on top of you.

Absolutely. Only a pee-rick cycles like a pee-rick.

fat bloke

spurious wrote: »

Or maybe she will teach him/her not to cycle in a way that pisses people off.

Give and take. It's not a war.

Except it's not "cycling in a way" that pisses many people off, it's just "cycling".

railer201

There is another descent route from the summit - the old tramway - entrance across the road from pub at the Summit making its way down to the DART station with a slight detour around Balkhill/Grace O'Malley Park. No pedalling required but good brakes are a must and possibly best suited to MTB's or hybrids with large tyres. There are stunning views over Howth harbour further down this track - watch out for the various road crossings on the way down.

DirkVoodoo

Most of the dangerous maneuvers I've seen in howth have been because many motorists and pedestrians see bike and think slow.

So again we enter victim blaming territory. There is far more issue with speeding cars in howth. Not to mention illegal parking around the church on occasion that reduces visibility for all. Or the graveyard.

If I lived in howth I'd be more upset by this than the cyclists.

I've never once had a long tailback behind me on this roads.

spurious

fat bloke wrote:

Except it's not "cycling in a way" that pisses many people off, it's just "cycling".

Cycling slowly in a group too wide for a car to safely pass is cycling to piss people off.

I don't often go out to Howth, but I know exactly the types the posters are targeting. To be honest I'm amazed some of them haven't already been the victims of road rage. Giving cars the middle finger is not the cleverest thing to do while astride a flimsy couple of kilos of metal with a couple of tonnes behind you.

fat bloke

spurious wrote: »

Cycling slowly in a group too wide for a car to safely pass is cycling to piss people off.

I don't often go out to Howth, but I know exactly the types the posters are targeting. To be honest I'm amazed some of them haven't already been the victims of road rage. Giving cars the middle finger is not the cleverest thing to do while astride a flimsy couple of kilos of metal with a couple of tonnes behind you.

I'm going up to Howth with some posters of my own

morana

spurious wrote: »

Cycling slowly in a group too wide for a car to safely pass is cycling to piss people off.

I don't often go out to Howth, but I know exactly the types the posters are targeting. To be honest I'm amazed some of them haven't already been the victims of road rage. Giving cars the middle finger is not the cleverest thing to do while astride a flimsy couple of kilos of metal with a couple of tonnes behind you.

i have never in my cycling life seen groups on howth 3 a breast or too wide for a car to pass. never. i have been cycling out there since 1987.

your last sentence worries me are you saying the car should be used to teach the cyclist a lesson?

mr spuckler

spurious wrote: »

Cycling slowly in a group too wide for a car to safely pass is cycling to piss people off.

I don't often go out to Howth, but I know exactly the types the posters are targeting. To be honest I'm amazed some of them haven't already been the victims of road rage. Giving cars the middle finger is not the cleverest thing to do while astride a flimsy couple of kilos of metal with a couple of tonnes behind you.

please define "too wide to safely pass" and also "safely pass"!!

2 abreast is perfectly legal and also encourages motorists to wait until there is no oncoming traffic before overtaking. as one would with a tractor etc. this in turn means that the motorist will allow more space for the cyclists as they are now using the whole road, resulting in a safer overtaking manoeuvre.

magicbastarder

spurious wrote: »

Cycling slowly in a group too wide for a car to safely pass is cycling to piss people off.

this is one we keep coming back to. if you have to place your wheels over the centre line to overtake, you're into a full overtaking manouevre. which means it shouldn't matter if cyclists are taking up 2/3 of the lane instead of 1/3.

Tenzor07

spurious wrote: »

I know exactly the types the posters are targeting. To be honest I'm amazed some of them haven't already been the victims of road rage.

So you're empathising with some crackpots who posted up anti-cyclist posters and the go to reaction of a motor vehicle driver should be one of road rage?? Wow...

magicbastarder

To be fair, there's a difference between expecting and endorsing a reaction. I can't see how you could read from that post that the poster is suggesting it as an appropriate reaction.

Tenzor07

Shouldn't expect or endorse someone deciding to print out anti-cyclist posters or someone in a motor vehicle having feelings of (road) rage.. all for the sake of a few people out on bicycles!

Eric Cartman

morana wrote: »

i have never in my cycling life seen groups on howth 3 a breast or too wide for a car to pass. never. i have been cycling out there since 1987.

your last sentence worries me are you saying the car should be used to teach the cyclist a lesson?

off to specsavers with you so. Ive been in howth 4 times in the last month and have seen 3 and even 4 abreast on many an occasion. Even saw a group of 6 cyclists block the entrance to the carpark by the pier by just stopping cars entering while one of them fixed his wheel.

Chuchote

Eric Cartman wrote: »

off to specsavers with you so. Ive been in howth 4 times in the last month and have seen 3 and even 4 abreast on many an occasion. Even saw a group of 6 cyclists block the entrance to the carpark by the pier by just stopping cars entering while one of them fixed his wheel.

It's actually very hard to cycle four, or even three, abreast. And very often people cycling two abreast in a group can appear to be taking up more of the road than they are.

morana

Eric Cartman wrote: »

off to specsavers with you so. Ive been in howth 4 times in the last month and have seen 3 and even 4 abreast on many an occasion. Even saw a group of 6 cyclists block the entrance to the carpark by the pier by just stopping cars entering while one of them fixed his wheel.

my peepers are perfect. i have been there thousands of times in 30 years and never seen 3 let alone a group too wide to pass in a car. Maybe i just go when the single filers are there or the unfit ones.

i believe you about blocking an entrance but i am sure a simple request to move would do the trick...

Weepsie

Again, I'm assuming people don't really understand what abreast means and are in fact seeing groups of 4-8 in lines 2 abreast.

People seem to think it's the number of rows.

easygoing39

Alas I didnt see any of the posters while out in Howth,someone must have carefully taken them down.I was going to picture them and stick them up on my Strava ride.
On the plus side,plenty of cyclist in Howth again today,all riding legally at 2 abrest.And only 1 dangerous driver pulled out in front of me,forcing me to brake hard to avoid being injured,vehicle being a mercedes,I really should of known in advance.

Wishbone Ash

It's a pity Tutschel doesn't seem to have uploaded any descents of Howth. I'd say it would be very interesting if it's anything like his descent of Mount Leinster.

robyntmorton

^^A few thoughts:

Looking at the quality of the road and that descent scared me, and I like descending!
It shows that those who are confident in descending don't ride the brakes.
Damn pedestrians getting in the way of cyclists. Don't they know we own the road :P </sarcasm>

Wishbone Ash

robyntmorton wrote: »

...It shows that those who are confident in descending don't ride the brakes...

In fairness he (Janos Kohler) is a specialist descender. His bike is also designed for descending at speed with twin front forks on each side. He averaged more than 70km/h on that descent and probably maxed at 100km/h which is unbelievable given the poor quality of the road surface.

(He's also a Boardsie!)

brocbrocach

Eric Cartman wrote: »

off to specsavers with you so. Ive been in howth 4 times in the last month and have seen 3 and even 4 abreast on many an occasion. Even saw a group of 6 cyclists block the entrance to the carpark by the pier by just stopping cars entering while one of them fixed his wheel.

I'm reluctant to say you're lying, but I've never in my life seen 4 cyclists abreast on a regular road. On top of that you don't even get big club groups going out to Howth in my experience. Any groups of 3/4 that are out there won't be ascending or descending bunched tight together, it's just very hard to do apart from anything else.
On the other hand I've been inconvenienced many and many's the time by the massive tailback of cars that inch out there anytime the sun shines. In that context it's just a weird thing to find that the 5-10 second delay behind a bike annoys some people so much.
So lets focus on the tiny inconvenience cycling puts Howth residents to instead of the 1 hour delay to ambulances, fire brigades, buses, deliveries + your village being a noisy, smelly, frustrated carpark on weekends motoring causes out there.

Tenzor07

Well for once I agree with Brenda Power!

magicbastarder

'grumbling about its potential to discourage occasional cyclists from taking out their bikes needs to be ignored'.

giving with one hand, taking with the other.

Spanish Eyes

Dedicated threads are obviously circle jerks. But anyway.

The descent down Knockmaroon Hill is whoa. But you might not survive it due to the width of the road down to Chapelizod at all. That would be because of cars of course.

LOL.

AndrewJRenko

magicbastarder wrote: »

'grumbling about its potential to discourage occasional cyclists from taking out their bikes needs to be ignored'.

"Let's not look at experiences in other countries with similar laws, let's just assume that everyone will do what I expect people to do and get on with it".