Davy Fitz (Mod Note Post #1)

EIREDriver

I was at Nowlan Park yesterday. Davy's actions got a massive reaction from the crowd.

Davy seems to be loved by majority of Wexford people. The young children around me started chanting his name when he came out of the tunnel before the match. Great to finally see someone taking Wexford hurling back to the level where it should be at. His actions to me showed he really has passion, even if he did cross the line. We don't want to see this type of thing happening but the atmosphere in my part of the stand (mostly yellow bellies) was brilliant after this flashpoint. Deserves a fine or whatever but I see no harm in a fired up manager trying to motivate his team. (Similar to the gift that keeps on giving - Jurgen Klopp.)

Tipp hurled us off the field at the end of the day and have a serious team. That quality is what Wex should be aiming for.

blackcard

I think there should be a technical area similar to soccer and managers should not be allowed outside of this.

Twiceasnice97

EIREDriver wrote: »

I was at Nowlan Park yesterday. Davy's actions got a massive reaction from the crowd.

Davy seems to be loved by majority of Wexford people. The young children around me started chanting his name when he came out of the tunnel before the match. Great to finally see someone taking Wexford hurling back to the level where it should be at. His actions to me showed he really has passion, even if he did cross the line. We don't want to see this type of thing happening but the atmosphere in my part of the stand (mostly yellow bellies) was brilliant after this flashpoint. Deserves a fine or whatever but I see no harm in a fired up manager trying to motivate his team. (Similar to the gift that keeps on giving - Jurgen Klopp.)

Tipp hurled us off the field at the end of the day and have a serious team. That quality is what Wex should be aiming for.

and if Michael Ryan ran on and confronted him or if the tipp and wexford players started flaking one another as a result for the incursion what then?

Is it now acceptable for managers to enter the field of play and shoulder players ?

EIREDriver

Twiceasnice97 wrote: »

and if Michael Ryan ran on and confronted him or if the tipp and wexford players started flaking one another as a result for the incursion what then?

Is it now acceptable for managers to enter the field of play and shoulder players ?

Not sure what you're getting at as I was just giving the point of view from a Wexford supporter at the match but I'll answer the points you brought up.

I think Michael Ryan would have no reason to run on. Davy ran on as he wanted to draw attention to the dangerous tackle on one of his players that took place seconds before Tipp got their second goal. Ryan wouldn't have anything to do with this? If then he saw Davy shouldering one of his men, then sure, could be seen as reason to come on just as Davy did. But that's like asking "what if fifty Tipp supporters hopped the barriers and started beating the 7 shades of sh!te out of Davy. Irrelevant and not for me to answer.

As for the two sets of players then fighting, I thought this what was going to happen when I saw Forde and Davy shouldering. This happens all across the country though and is something the GAA needs to clamp down on. I've seen selectors at my own club getting involved in handbags at club games and then both sets of players piling in. Not something people want to see and again needs to be dealt with.

Final point on whether or not it is acceptable. No of course not. Although Forde ran up the pitch towards Davy looking for a fight. Davy ran down towards the referee, not at any player. From my seat at the opposite side of the pitch it looked like Forde ran up and initiated the contact. Anyway both were in the wrong.

evolving tipperary

EIREDriver wrote: »

Not sure what you're getting at as I was just giving the point of view from a Wexford supporter at the match but I'll answer the points you brought up.

I think Michael Ryan would have no reason to run on. Davy ran on as he wanted to draw attention to the dangerous tackle on one of his players that took place seconds before Tipp got their second goal. Ryan wouldn't have anything to do with this? If then he saw Davy shouldering one of his men, then sure, could be seen as reason to come on just as Davy did. But that's like asking "what if fifty Tipp supporters hopped the barriers and started beating the 7 shades of sh!te out of Davy. Irrelevant and not for me to answer.

As for the two sets of players then fighting, I thought this what was going to happen when I saw Forde and Davy shouldering. This happens all across the country though and is something the GAA needs to clamp down on. I've seen selectors at my own club getting involved in handbags at club games and then both sets of players piling in. Not something people want to see and again needs to be dealt with.

Final point on whether or not it is acceptable. No of course not. Although Forde ran up the pitch towards Davy looking for a fight. Davy ran down towards the referee, not at any player. From my seat at the opposite side of the pitch it looked like Forde ran up and initiated the contact. Anyway both were in the wrong.

Dangerous tackle!!!! Forde looking for a fight!!!! hahahaha

evolving tipperary

Let's chill the beans!!!

evolving tipperary

Davy was wrong. You can't set that kind of precedent. You can't confront officials. Managerial staff cannot/should not touch a player or try to enter the field to challenge a decision.

The tipp players told Davy to get off. He through a shoulder into O'meara which is why Forde pushed Davy off towards the line...

Jack the Stripper

Hurling banter page defending Davy, no surprises there.

JamieK

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

Hurling banter page defending Davy, no surprises there.

Hurling banter page's unofficial target market being teenagers with absolutely zero knowledge of hurling.

buck65

Davy is great for Wexford hurling and they will benefit from him for the next 3 years, his magic dust wears off though and players get sick of his intense personality and he becomes neurotic in dealing with county boards, players and parents/partners of players that are seen to infringing on his ideals.

At that stage though he usually walks or is thrown out by the players and county board.

He is thoroughly professional in his set-up and demands the same of those around him so must be commended for this.
Wexford may win an All Ireland, probably a Leinster title so they won't mind this in the scheme of things.

He certainly left the Clare and Waterford dresser with silverware and at the end of the day that's what it is about for a manager. The county board may be down a couple of million too but sure it they win, so what.

What he did on the pitch yesterday is not his first time having a tussle with a player (James Ryan from Limerick) and won't be his last. Wexford knew what they were getting when they hired him so they must stand behind him now and in the future - however long it lasts.

madanall

Bonniedog wrote:

Not sure what the crowd was in Limerick, seemed reasonable from TV, but Kilkenny was jammed. Davy's revival of the Wexicans a definite factor.

Plenty of space behind the goals in Kilkenny but it was a decent crowd of just under 20,000. Capacity of Nowlan Park is 27,800

Bonniedog

madanall wrote: »

Plenty of space behind the goals in Kilkenny but it was a decent crowd of just under 20,000. Capacity of Nowlan Park is 27,800

It is great venue for games. Just the right size for a lot of league play offs and qualifiers, including Dubs/Laois football last year. Surprised it is not used more. And best pre match pub just across the road and O'Loughlins five minutes away.

DoctaDee

Bonniedog wrote: »

It is great venue for games. Just the right size for a lot of league play offs and qualifiers, including Dubs/Laois football last year. Surprised it is not used more. And best pre match pub just across the road and O'Loughlins five minutes away.

Yeah have to agree, we pitched up in O'Loughlins last year, great crowd there and a good atmosphere - it was great to see the young and not so young pucking around and kicking ball beforehand. I'd say they easily cleared 10K in revenue between the parking and drinks on the verandah

Bonniedog

DoctaDee wrote: »

Yeah have to agree, we pitched up in O'Loughlins last year, great crowd there and a good atmosphere - it was great to see the young and not so young pucking around and kicking ball beforehand. I'd say they easily cleared 10K in revenue between the parking and drinks on the verandah

My favourite place for a game. some atmosphere too when it is near full or full.

We were going down on FODH bus for league game one day and it was dodgy whether we'd make the pub in time for a few scoops, and there were a few sick heads on board.

Humphrey is not great fan of the gargle and suspicion was he was deliberately delaying our arrival for exactly that reason. Anyway as we meandered through traffic two of the more desperate rushed to the front. "**** this, let us off," and were last seeing making undignified sprint towards the Park Inn.


(Any resemblance to living people is purely coincidental...)

Marv8

Rumours doing the rounds in Tipp that Forde is getting a two match ban. What an absolute disgrace.
Fair enough he shouldnt have went near Davy but I cant see what grounds there is for suspension, he didnt strike or anything. And the Wexford midfielder done the exact same thing to Forde then, will anything happen him.

me89

8 week ban for Davy

kilns

Total cop out with that ban for Davy.  He needed to be made an example of because he showed no remorse after the game when interviewed and said he would do it again
There are probably some who thinks its grand it just a bit of passion but the guy is a total liability

Exiled1

Wait and see. The appeal will be 'partially successful', likely to be reduced to six weeks. You can be sure the canvassing is going on full tilt and the appeals committee (CHC?) will cave in.
This will get Davy onto the sideline for the Kilkenny game.

The_Kew_Tour

Only us in GAA seem to think its ok to do what he did.

A manager cannot go onto a field of play. No wonder so many assualts in GAA with likes of Davy setting bad example.

I know some will tell me im ott, but I feel its turned blind eye to this stuff when it happens.

danganabu

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Only us in GAA seem to think its ok to do what he did.

A manager cannot go onto a field of play. No wonder so many assualts in GAA with likes of Davy setting bad example.

I know some will tell me im ott, but I feel its turned blind eye to this stuff when it happens.

I certainly wont and this is what I just posted in the Tipp thread, too lazy to retype it

Eight Weeks is actually very lenient, its the minimum for the offence and the fact that he threw an elbow at Niall O'Meara, grabbed Forde's face-guard and to cap it all off admitted he would do it again means he should have gotten at least double the minimum.

The apologists who brush it off as great passion etc are bigger fools tbh, I mean can you imagine if Joe Scmidt or Jose Mourinho etc. were to run on to the field in the middle of play and remonstrate with the referee, they'd be banned for 12 months, GAA needs to wake up before this escalates and someone is badly hurt.

Do the referees have a representative body or anything of that ilk, because they should also be up in arms over this and demand he be reprimanded more severely

With what I have said there in mind I can't actually see how Wexford can appeal and if they do there is no way it can be reduced unless they successfully argue that the incorrect charge was levied at Davy, I kind of hope they do appeal it and the ban is doubled for a frivolous appeal.

Bonniedog

I said at time that people were over-reacting to what he did, but the ban is about right. Can't believe that Wexford are appealing it, but seems to be matter of course now, no matter the offence.

On reflection too, while the incident was mostly handbags and players who became involved were just shouldering one another, stuff like that has potential to escalate into mayhem.

If that happened at a club match under the radar there would have been some flaking! He and Wexford should have taken this one on the chin. Appeal considerably reduces any sympathy I had for him.

letowski

I think this decision by the GAA was made in respect for the referees.

Yeah Kirwin made a bad call, but Davy's behavior is inexcusable. Like at the end of the day, the GAA would be hanging their referees out to dry if they didn't give Davy a ban. They would basically be giving the message that running out on to the field and roaring abuse at referees over a bad decision is acceptable. Its not. And referees need to be shown more respect, hurling is a bloody hard game to officiate, the ball can go 80m in 3 seconds, meaning refs have to make calls at distances much further away than in other sports.

I accept that they are throwing the book at Davy and making an example of him, but its not like he hasn't had this coming. He has consistently been abusive and disrespectful to referees his entire managerial career.

premiertipp

Davy is lucky to only get eight weeks.... Carlow football manager got twelve weeks for going onto the pitch and shouting at a referee about a disputed score a couple of years ago.

elefant

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Only us in GAA seem to think its ok to do what he did.

Definitely. Some comparisons were drawn with Alan Pardew and his incident with David Meyler, and those comparisons are actually fair enough on some levels. It's another popular sport, and it involves a coming-together between a player and a manager. A couple of big differences though:

- Pardew wasn't out on the pitch when his incident took place. Davey went out onto the pitch ranting and looking for trouble.

- Pardew apologised for his actions immediately after the game. Davey absolutely refused to admit he was wrong, and even tried to make it sound like it was a pre-meditated move!

Davey is banned for 2 games. I'm guessing the Wexford county board will have to pay some sort of a fine too, although I haven't seen this reported.

Alan Pardew received a seven game ban, and had to pay a 160,000 pounds in fines to his club and to the FA.

It's a complete and absolute embarrassment for GAA, and for GAA fans who don't see this kind of 'passion' as something to be proud of.

lfc12345

i think an 8 week ban is way too harsh. you see this go on in club games the whole time and nothing seems to ever come of it. one/two match ban fair enough but 8 weeks? come on

buck65

Right call, 8 weeks , silly , and reckless.
Premeditaded? Don't make me laugh. Davy isn't that self aware.

letowski

lfc12345 wrote: »

i think an 8 week ban is way too harsh. you see this go on in club games the whole time and nothing seems to ever come of it. one/two match ban fair enough but 8 weeks? come on

8 weeks will see him miss probably just 2 games all the same, 3 max.

dastardly00

lfc12345 wrote: »

i think an 8 week ban is way too harsh. you see this go on in club games the whole time and nothing seems to ever come of it. one/two match ban fair enough but 8 weeks? come on

The 8 week ban is the same as a two match ban in this case

elefant

buck65 wrote: »

Right call, 8 weeks , silly , and reckless.
Premeditaded? Don't make me laugh. Davy isn't that self aware.

He sure isn't, but he said he was. No contrition.

It's a dangerous precedent. What's to stop a manager in an All-Ireland final, when things are in the balance, heading out onto the pitch an throwing a shoulder at an opposition player. Get him to react, get the player sent-off, win the All-Ireland, job done.

The fact that there is anyone defending him at all in this, let alone that Wexford are actually appealing the ban, is shocking. It needs to be completely stamped out at all levels.

Kristopherus

letowski wrote: »

8 weeks will see him miss probably just 2 games all the same, 3 max.

Yep. And Mr Kirwan should get a 2-match ban as well for that appalling decision not to give Wexford a free for a double foul on their player.

danganabu

Kristopherus wrote: »

Yep. And Mr Kirwan should get a 2-match ban as well for that appalling decision not to give Wexford a free for a double foul on their player.

Far be it for me to be defending Mr Kirwan, but please look at the incident again and tell me who made the initial foul??

dastardly00

** puts on tinfoil hat **

I reckon that when Davy/Wexford appeals, the GAA will reduce the ban from 8 to 7 weeks, thereby allowing Davy to be on the sideline against Cody's Kilkenny in the Leinster semi-final.

This will increase hype for the match, attract a bigger crowd, and the TV audience will be higher. More $$$$ for the GAA.

danganabu

dastardly00 wrote: »

** puts on tinfoil hat **

I reckon that when Davy/Wexford appeals, the GAA will reduce the ban from 8 to 7 weeks, thereby allowing Davy to be on the sideline against Cody's Kilkenny in the Leinster semi-final.

This will increase hype for the match, attract a bigger crowd, and the TV audience will be higher. More $$$$ for the GAA.

The minimum ban for the offence he has been charged with is 8 weeks, unless Wexford successfully appeal that the actual charge was incorrect it cannot be reduced only increased.

Bonniedog

dastardly00 wrote: »

** puts on tinfoil hat **

I reckon that when Davy/Wexford appeals, the GAA will reduce the ban from 8 to 7 weeks, thereby allowing Davy to be on the sideline against Cody's Kilkenny in the Leinster semi-final.

This will increase hype for the match, attract a bigger crowd, and the TV audience will be higher. More $$$$ for the GAA.

I was sitting beside two priests this morning in the early house and they had it on good authority that the CCCC were going to teach Fitzy a lesson.

only saying what I heard now, and there was drink taken...

citykat

Bonniedog wrote: »

I was sitting beside two priests this morning in the early house and they had it on good authority that the CCCC were going to teach Fitzy a lesson.

only saying what I heard now, and there was drink taken...

If it was altar wine then I'd swallow that...

buck65

elefant wrote: »

He sure isn't, but he said he was. No contrition.

It's a dangerous precedent. What's to stop a manager in an All-Ireland final, when things are in the balance, heading out onto the pitch an throwing a shoulder at an opposition player. Get him to react, get the player sent-off, win the All-Ireland, job done.

The fact that there is anyone defending him at all in this, let alone that Wexford are actually appealing the ban, is shocking. It needs to be completely stamped out at all levels.

Or grabbing the ball and soloing the length of the pitch and scoring the winning goal. What happens then? what is the rule?

jpb1974

Ban is handed out, job jobbed.

Now time for some enjoyment with the greatest GAA song ever, with a great solo from Larry O'Gorman included -

Loch Garman Abú!

Dirty Dingus McGee

This supension should have been handed out to Davy a long time ago.His behaviour over the years on the sideline has been disgraceful.

Really hope Wexford don't appeal and if they do the GAA tell them to **** off.

Rightwing

2 sides to every story:

1. Fame went to his head, thought he could walk on water.
2. Lot of jealous people out there, he is doing well, raking in the cash with his celebrity family fitness gig and management.

8 week ban is just about right.

lawred2

lfc12345 wrote: »

i think an 8 week ban is way too harsh. you see this go on in club games the whole time and nothing seems to ever come of it. one/two match ban fair enough but 8 weeks? come on

Something should come of it ffs

evolving tipperary

Personally, I think it should have been 10 to 16 weeks.

Davy has a history of this type of thing. Particularly, during his management of the Clare Under 21 team...and, v Limerick later at senior level.


Also, there is a pernicious element to Davy's jawing on the sideline. It is not just incursions on the field - but, is consistently arguing and shouting at both players and officials like a spoilt child. He has no class, therefore it must be pointed out to him that this behavior is not good enough.

Whatever, anybody says - his actions did have effect on the ref v Tipperary...

bruschi

some amount of over reaction on here.

How can anyone compare a small shove, and lets face it, thats all it was, to a manager headbutting a player? and trying to pass off the manager headbutting a player as it was off the field of play. and comparing the fine in a professional game.

I've already said Davy was wrong. Clearly. 8 weeks IMO is about right. You cant go on the field. Thats what he did was wrong. All this other nonsense though. He did absolutely fcuk all to Forde, an instantaneous camera shot seems to show him grabbing a facemask, when the video evidence of the actual incident shows he made no attempt whatsoever to grab the face mask and its disingenuous to even start saying he did. a freeze frame of a shove is not the same as grabbing someones facemask.

Forde made a half hearted shoulder, and Davy shoved him away. That was the extent of it. If people are going to go around calling it assault or whatever, then christ we'd never have any GAA games to watch. The complete hysterical nonsense and over exaggeration to this is mind blowing.

Add to that, nothing should happen Forde. He also did fcuk all. Yes, he initiated the contact and he shouldnt have bothered his hole going near Davy, but it was utterly harmless what he did. Davy shouldnt have been there in the first place. Forde shouldnt have went near him, but he should not under any circumstances be threatened with suspension.

And also, someone trying to debate that it wasnt even a foul in the first place? Seriously?

And another one, why are people getting so upset that Wexford have appealed this? They have not appealed. Thats not to say they wont, but they have not appealed this as of yet.

Peopel are really making a whole mountain out of a molehill over this, and the main reason I reckon is because its Davy Fitz. Where was the 4 page thread when Damien Barton of Derry ran half the length of the pitch to get involved in a brawl and got his 8 week suspension?

evolving tipperary

bruschi wrote: »

some amount of over reaction on here.

How can anyone compare a small shove, and lets face it, thats all it was, to a manager headbutting a player? and trying to pass off the manager headbutting a player as it was off the field of play. and comparing the fine in a professional game.

I've already said Davy was wrong. Clearly. 8 weeks IMO is about right. You cant go on the field. Thats what he did was wrong. All this other nonsense though. He did absolutely fcuk all to Forde, an instantaneous camera shot seems to show him grabbing a facemask, when the video evidence of the actual incident shows he made no attempt whatsoever to grab the face mask and its disingenuous to even start saying he did. a freeze frame of a shove is not the same as grabbing someones facemask.

Forde made a half hearted shoulder, and Davy shoved him away. That was the extent of it. If people are going to go around calling it assault or whatever, then christ we'd never have any GAA games to watch. The complete hysterical nonsense and over exaggeration to this is mind blowing.

Add to that, nothing should happen Forde. He also did fcuk all. Yes, he initiated the contact and he shouldnt have bothered his hole going near Davy, but it was utterly harmless what he did. Davy shouldnt have been there in the first place. Forde shouldnt have went near him, but he should not under any circumstances be threatened with suspension.

And also, someone trying to debate that it wasnt even a foul in the first place? Seriously?

And another one, why are people getting so upset that Wexford have appealed this? They have not appealed. Thats not to say they wont, but they have not appealed this as of yet.

Peopel are really making a whole mountain out of a molehill over this, and the main reason I reckon is because its Davy Fitz. Where was the 4 page thread when Damien Barton of Derry ran half the length of the pitch to get involved in a brawl and got his 8 week suspension?

The main point is that managers are figures of authority - they are supposed to be leaders and representative of a county to the highest standard. Not meeting those standards should be punished heavily. If the manager of Wexford does not miss the Kilkenny game, he hasn't really been punished for his behavior or a message has not been sent to club and county managers to not act like this...

The way he was so blasé about trying to influence the game by coming on, in a TV interview, is particularly reckless... (whether lying to show some kind of misjudged tactical nous or not) - A precedent must be set to prevent such a thing becoming common. Otherwise, you'll see it more frequently at club level...

bruschi

evolving tipperary wrote: »

The main point is that managers are figures of authority - they are supposed to be leaders and representative of a county to the highest standard. Not meeting those standards should be punished heavily. If the manager of Wexford does not miss the Kilkenny game, he hasn't really been punished for his behavior or a message has not been sent to club and county managers to not act like this...

The way he was so blas? about trying to influence the game by coming on, in a TV interview, is particularly reckless... (whether lying to show some kind of misjudged tactical nous or not) - A precedent must be set to prevent such a thing becoming common. Otherwise, you'll see it more frequently at club level...

all great points, nothing at all to do with what I said. Just as a reminder, in that post you quoted of mine:

bruschi wrote: »

I've already said Davy was wrong. Clearly. 8 weeks IMO is about right. You cant go on the field.

As it stands, Davy is getting an 8 week suspension and misses the Kilkenny game. I've already said its about right for a suspension.

He was wrong to do what he did. I disagree with what he did. He should be punished and is being punished. But the complete over reaction and hyperbole needs to stop.

evolving tipperary

bruschi wrote: »

all great points, nothing at all to do with what I said. Just as a reminder, in that post you quoted of mine:



As it stands, Davy is getting an 8 week suspension and misses the Kilkenny game. I've already said its about right for a suspension.

He was wrong to do what he did. I disagree with what he did. He should be punished and is being punished. But the complete over reaction and hyperbole needs to stop.

I just felt it wasn't clear enough in suggesting just how wrong his actions were, rather than focusing on something that is impossible to contain - the overreaction and hyperbole. That's what the majority of fans of the sport do - overreact to something that is ultimately not that important but great fun!

elefant

bruschi wrote: »

some amount of over reaction on here.

How can anyone compare a small shove, and lets face it, thats all it was, to a manager headbutting a player? and trying to pass off the manager headbutting a player as it was off the field of play. and comparing the fine in a professional game.

It wasn't a real headbutt, it was barely a nudge. Let's face it, that's all it was.
I wasn't excusing Pardew- it would be hard to be too sympathetic towards him- but he was punished suitably severely, by both his club and the FA. He also didn't do any harm to the player while interfering, but he didn't go onto the pitch where he doesn't belong, and he apologised, and was still dealt with severely. Davey received the minimum possible suspension for his actions. What message does that send out?

elefant

Rightwing wrote: »

[*]Lot of jealous people out there, he is doing well, raking in the cash with his celebrity family fitness gig and management.

I'd be very surprised if that's a factor in anyone's opinion. Maybe I'm wrong.

Mantis Toboggan

Whatever about Davy Fitz getting a two game ban, Jason Forde also getting a two game ban is an absolute disgrace.

buck65

Did he?

Rasputin11

2 game ban for Forde, same as Gary McGuire received for a horrendous stroke on Liam Blanchfield. Hopefully the DRA, with a good hurling man like Rory Hannify on board can rescind this ridiculous ban.