Lets talk about Burgers

The Nal

TheKBizzle wrote: »

Do you grind that just once or twice for uniformity?

Thats ground once above. I ground another batch twice but it went a little too uniform and mushy. Started with the wrong size fixture though, too small.

Above, it mixed very well when you start handling it so you don't really get any fatty random bits.

Muahahaha

The Nal wrote: »

Dedicated mincer/meat grinder. Yeah theres no comparison with the taste. Couldn't go back to normal mince now.

The Nal wrote: »

Brisket (40%), chuck (40%), pork chop (10%) and short beef rib (10%).

That looks class Nal, although I shouldnt be licking my lips at the sight of raw mince I am actually licking my lips

Whats your routine, would you mince a kilo to get 8 burgers and then cook a couple and freeze the rest? I had thought of getting my own mincer before but havent because of the whole thing of having too many kitchen gadgets. But that picture is quickly convincing me

Muahahaha

Blacktie. wrote: »

Just curious for people who do grind their own mince does cost of meat go up considerably? Wonder as mince seems to be one of the lowest price meats to get. I know the quality is probably considerably higher doing it yourself but looking at the price of steaks etc. it would appear your costs would also greatly rise. Please correct me where I'm wrong here and convince me to get a meat grinder

I think it depends on the butcher really. The odd time I get burger mince made up in the Village Butcher in Ranelagh, I dont live anywhere near it so its only if Im in Dublin for other reasons and have time to swing by on my way home. I order 70% chuck and 30% beef short rib for which he charges me a tenner a kilo. Then a few months back I ordered the exact same mix from my local butcher and he charged me 14 euros a kilo, when he went to set the price on the till I could tell he was just pulling it out of his arse.

Its funny the way the cheaper cuts can work. Years ago I lived in Australia where every bar/restaurant menu would have lamb shanks on it, back then you would get a lamb shank roast with spuds and veggies for about $8. Had never come across it in Ireland before but when I got back here I used to order it from the butchers. For years and years I was getting lamb shanks for 2 euros each. I used to wonder what would happen them in Ireland otherwise, probably frozen and sold to foreign markets or maybe just used in stuff like dog food, Im not sure.

Anyway about 4-5 years ago TV chefs like Donal Skehan and Nevin Maguire (aka Eoin McLove) started popularising them to Irish audiences. Next thing I knew lamb shanks went up in price when butchers realised more and more people were buying them, IMO its typical of the rip of culture we see in Ireland- a product getting popular is followed by sellers jacking the prices up Nowadays 4-5 euros seems to be the price for a single shank in butchers which is a bit joke for a so called cheap cut of meat. Even Aldi are selling two for 8 euro. So what was a cut that wasnt even in demand has actually more than doubled in price in the last few years.

The Nal

Muahahaha wrote: »

That looks class Nal, although I shouldnt be licking my lips at the sight of raw mince I am actually licking my lips

Whats your routine, would you mince a kilo to get 8 burgers and then cook a couple and freeze the rest? I had thought of getting my own mincer before but havent because of the whole thing of having too many kitchen gadgets. But that picture is quickly convincing me

I bought a load of meat. Made burgers and then meat sauce with the rest. You could just buy enough for two burgers and mince that no problem. Above photo looks deceivingly fatty because I ground the pork chop last so thats on top.

Burgers Friday, huge amount of meat sauce Sunday and froze the rest. Think Ill do hotdogs at the weekend.

Blacktie.

Think I'll start looking for a meat grinder so!

The Nal

Blacktie. wrote: »

Think I'll start looking for a meat grinder so!

This is the one I have. Don't think its available anymore but maybe base the specs off this. Cheap enough and does the job perfectly.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Andrew-James-Grinding-Attachment-Function/dp/B0063CF80G

It seems to be like this one but just rebranded.

mafitz

Hi, anybody know where you would get the paper to seperate burgers, we would like to freeze some?

Wanderer78

mafitz wrote:

Hi, anybody know where you would get the paper to seperate burgers, we would like to freeze some?

Parchment paper will do the trick, most shops sell it

tangy

Or if you want pre-cut ones, lots on Amazon. Look for "burger paper".

rubadub

Tesco firepit buns are back in, I have not tried these ones and they appear to be brioche as it has egg & milk. They are down to €1.39 now, they used to be €1.79 (and did not seem to sell well at that price)

4 Smoked Grill Burger Buns

The Nal wrote: »

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Andrew-James-Grinding-Attachment-Function/dp/B0063CF80G

It seems to be like this one but just rebranded.

The second one has a more powerful motor.

I was saying people cut the meat finely themselves to see if they think it is worthwhile. Of course you can just ask the butcher nicely too.

I remember thinking of getting a bread maker and somebody warning me that they just ended up eating loads of bread! same might happen if I got a grinder.

The Nal

rubadub wrote: »

The second one has a more powerful motor.

Saw that yeah but I don't think it needs it. One I have minced brisket with a hard fat cap no problem.

rubadub wrote: »

I was saying people cut the meat finely themselves to see if they think it is worthwhile. Of course you can just ask the butcher nicely too.

I remember thinking of getting a bread maker and somebody warning me that they just ended up eating loads of bread! same might happen if I got a grinder.

Do one burger with it and it justifies the purchase. Not really into bread making. Takes ages and you can always buy nicer in the shops.

the beer revolu

Muahahaha wrote: »

Its funny the way the cheaper cuts can work. Years ago I lived in Australia where every bar/restaurant menu would have lamb shanks on it, back then you would get a lamb shank roast with spuds and veggies for about $8. Had never come across it in Ireland before but when I got back here I used to order it from the butchers. For years and years I was getting lamb shanks for 2 euros each. I used to wonder what would happen them in Ireland otherwise, probably frozen and sold to foreign markets or maybe just used in stuff like dog food, Im not sure.

Anyway about 4-5 years ago TV chefs like Donal Skehan and Nevin Maguire (aka Eoin McLove) started popularising them to Irish audiences. Next thing I knew lamb shanks went up in price when butchers realised more and more people were buying them, IMO its typical of the rip of culture we see in Ireland- a product getting popular is followed by sellers jacking the prices up Nowadays 4-5 euros seems to be the price for a single shank in butchers which is a bit joke for a so called cheap cut of meat. Even Aldi are selling two for 8 euro. So what was a cut that wasnt even in demand has actually more than doubled in price in the last few years.

Three words :
Supply and demand.

It's not price gouging, it's charging what people are willing to pay for a given product.
It's annoying when things that were once cheap increase in value but it's not gouging. It's basic economics.
Even at todays prices, lamb shanks are still great value for the meat you get off them.

oleras

Muahahaha wrote: »

That looks class Nal, although I shouldnt be licking my lips at the sight of raw mince I am actually licking my lips

Chefs treat imo, a nice big pinch of it. Raw lean minced beef is a thing of beauty, cant resist even the prepacked stuff even though they warn against it, bah..still alive !

ballsdeep69

I would absolutely destroy a fur burger now !!!

the beer revolu

ballsdeep69 wrote: »

I would absolutely destroy a fur burger now !!!

Alas, they aren't suitable for children - You're out of luck!

Gloomtastic!

I need to get out more. I Googled fur burger! :eek:

Feisar

the beer revolu wrote: »

Three words :
Supply and demand.

It's not price gouging, it's charging what people are willing to pay for a given product.
It's annoying when things that were once cheap increase in value but it's not gouging. It's basic economics.
Even at todays prices, lamb shanks are still great value for the meat you get off them.

Sorry not on topic as regards burgers however, shin should not be expensive. It creates the best stew known to man however it's a rough cut. Part of the problem is most all butchers are meat displayers these days. Ask for shin and they will have to order it in.

stargazer 68

The Nal wrote: »

This is the one I have. Don't think its available anymore but maybe base the specs off this. Cheap enough and does the job perfectly.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Andrew-James-Grinding-Attachment-Function/dp/B0063CF80G

It seems to be like this one but just rebranded.

Jumping in on this. Hubbie has decided he wants a grinder and sausage maker for his birthday! These don't deliver to Ireland. Have looked at Arnotts and Debenhams but no joy. Any other suggestions where I could get one?

delboythedub

Add a small bit of Tomaoe Katchup to your raw meat mixture and also if you can get it a small bit of Knorr meat seasoning. Enjoy

Bassfish

stargazer 68 wrote: »

Jumping in on this. Hubbie has decided he wants a grinder and sausage maker for his birthday! These don't deliver to Ireland. Have looked at Arnotts and Debenhams but no joy. Any other suggestions where I could get one?

Would any of the kitchen/catering supply companies have them?

shanec1928

Bassfish wrote: »

Would any of the kitchen/catering supply companies have them?

lidl or aldi either had them or were to get them in the last week or so. cant remember but i defiantly seen them in the magazine


*edit found it lidl this week mon 13th €50

The Mulk

stargazer 68 wrote: »

Jumping in on this. Hubbie has decided he wants a grinder and sausage maker for his birthday! These don't deliver to Ireland. Have looked at Arnotts and Debenhams but no joy. Any other suggestions where I could get one?

The above will deliver to Parcel motel, just check dimensions, it should fit in a locker

Muahahaha

Yeah this is the one that went on sale in Lidl yesterday.

Versatile – ideal for mincing meat and making sausages

Can also be used for making biscuits – includes stainless steel biscuit mould attachment with 4 designs

Simple soft-touch control panel with an On/Off switch and reverse function

Hygienic and easy to clean

With practical cord storage and suction cups for stability

Processes 1kg meat/ minute

Includes: Tray with pusher, 3 perforated discs, Tomato strainer attachment, Sausage attachment, Kibbe attachment, Biscuit attachment

https://www.lidl.ie/en/p/summer-kitchen/electric-mincer/p45185

Coillte_Bhoy

The Italian Collection Cast Iron Mincer is ideal for making your own mince from prime cuts of meat. This set includes three discs for different sized mincing, a sausage making attachment and screw clamp fittings for a secure hold whilst in use. Spare blades and accessories are also available. Two sizes to choose from small and large.

Note: The size of the screw clamp bracket has been increased on newer models of this mincer to accommodate modern bench tops.

Two sizes to choose from Small & Large
Size: 5cm mincing discs
Cast Iron

https://www.gilmartins.ie/Cast-Iron-Hand-Mincer?search=mincer&sub_category=true

Gloomtastic!

I've no room for any more gadgets, but what do you burger aficionados think of this?

https://www.aldi.ie/ambiano-burger-maker/p/703819403026102

rubadub

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

https://www.gilmartins.ie/Cast-Iron-Hand-Mincer?search=mincer&sub_category=true

41% of people give it 1 star on amazon.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/KitchenCraft-Home-Mincer-Machine-Medium/dp/B0001IX1SE/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?dchild=1&keywords=home+cast+iron+mincer+brand%3A+kitchencraft&qid=1594827357&sr=8-1-fkmr0

I was looking for a small manual one before and only saw negative reviews, including ones sold on nisbets and other catering places.

I was looking at getting a vintage spong one instead.

The Nal

Gloomtastic! wrote: »

I've no room for any more gadgets, but what do you burger aficionados think of this?

https://www.aldi.ie/ambiano-burger-maker/p/703819403026102

Dunno, looks like it could steam the meat which isn't good.

Muahahaha

I think its overkill really to have a dedicated device to cook a burger when a frying pan does it just fine. Its not claiming to be more healthy or anything either so cant really see any advantage of it, its just more clutter for the kitchen presses!

the beer revolu

shanec1928 wrote: »

lidl or aldi either had them or were to get them in the last week or so. cant remember but i defiantly seen them in the magazine


*edit found it lidl this week mon 13th €50

I bought a silver crest mincer a few years ago.
I gave it away. I found that if you weren't mincing pure lean or pure fat, it constantly clogged, requiring taking it apart every few minutes. It couldn't handle belly pork at all. Also, the nozzle didn't fit skins properly.

Unless they've redesigned it, I wouldn't go near it.

the beer revolu

Gloomtastic! wrote: »

I've no room for any more gadgets, but what do you burger aficionados think of this?

https://www.aldi.ie/ambiano-burger-maker/p/703819403026102

I can't see why anyone needs that.
It's just a restrictively designed George Foreman - and they don't get hot enough to sear anything anyway. Save your money.

Kat1170

the beer revolu wrote: »

I bought a silver crest mincer a few years ago.
I gave it away. I found that if you weren't mincing pure lean or pure fat, it constantly clogged, requiring taking it apart every few minutes. It couldn't handle belly pork at all. Also, the nozzle didn't fit skins properly.

Unless they've redesigned it, I wouldn't go near it.

The blades on all those types of mincer are just plain dull. They need a good sharpening even from the box and it transforms the machine. Get the flat type diamond knife sharpeners and rub the star shaped blade on it in a circular motion for about 10 minutes, you won't believe the difference.

This type

https://images.app.goo.gl/vBJaKi58UmobGXu67

stargazer 68

Saw this on Amazon and musgraves have it in stock too. Any opinions?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kenwood-MG510-Meat-Grinder-Silver/dp/B002LZUEPS/ref=sr_1_6?crid=MPOS46HO9SRE&dchild=1&keywords=electric+meat+grinder+and+sausage+maker&qid=1594811605&refinements=p_n_shipping_option-bin%3A2023186031&rnid=2023185031&sprefix=meat+grinder+electric+with+sau%2Caps%2C510&sr=8-6

The Nal

stargazer 68 wrote: »

Saw this on Amazon and musgraves have it in stock too. Any opinions?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kenwood-MG510-Meat-Grinder-Silver/dp/B002LZUEPS/ref=sr_1_6?crid=MPOS46HO9SRE&dchild=1&keywords=electric+meat+grinder+and+sausage+maker&qid=1594811605&refinements=p_n_shipping_option-bin%3A2023186031&rnid=2023185031&sprefix=meat+grinder+electric+with+sau%2Caps%2C510&sr=8-6

Very similar to the one I have. Will work a treat.

Top tip, put the meat and the grinder attachments into the freezer for 30 minutes before you grind anything.

tangy

the beer revolu wrote: »

I bought a silver crest mincer a few years ago.
I gave it away. I found that if you weren't mincing pure lean or pure fat, it constantly clogged, requiring taking it apart every few minutes. It couldn't handle belly pork at all. Also, the nozzle didn't fit skins properly.

Unless they've redesigned it, I wouldn't go near it.

This. I got rid of mine too. Mince. Reverse. Repeat. Disassemble.

I hot-melt glued a funnel to the sausage nozzle to get the skins to fit. I thought at the time I'd bought the wrong sized skins, so I'm glad to see it wasn't just me.

When I mince meat now, I use a Spong with a suction base my parents bought years ago. Works well till the suction breaks. No sausage attachment either :rolleyes:

Ryath

stargazer 68 wrote: »

Saw this on Amazon and musgraves have it in stock too. Any opinions?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kenwood-MG510-Meat-Grinder-Silver/dp/B002LZUEPS/ref=sr_1_6?crid=MPOS46HO9SRE&dchild=1&keywords=electric+meat+grinder+and+sausage+maker&qid=1594811605&refinements=p_n_shipping_option-bin%3A2023186031&rnid=2023185031&sprefix=meat+grinder+electric+with+sau%2Caps%2C510&sr=8-6

I have the mincer attachment for my Kenwood Chef that looks very similar. I think it works quite well and my chef has less power than that mincer.

The Nal

To be fair you're always going to lose about 10% of the meat in the funnel no matter what. Just not enough mass to push it all through.

Muahahaha

What are the funnels like to clean out with the meat left inside, is it a hassle to get in there and make sure its spotless? And you do wash it in milton then or something.

lenscap

If you want to mince correctly, which ever mincer you have, you need to have your meat well chilled (not frozen).

I have a old Kenwood Chef (replaced the motor a few years ago and it's a huge improvement) with the mincer attachment and it used to clog and jam up until I chilled the meat (like it's begining to freeze).

Never had a problen since.

To get the last bits of meat from the mincer, just feed the mincer a slice of bread.

tangy

A shortish (5:34) video of cooking an Oklahoma Onion Burger (haven't you heard of them? ), also known, he says, as a smash burger.

He uses a charcoal stove and a cast iron grill plate. And an old flat iron.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iO-ln6qRnc

The Nal

FXB have Wagyu burgers now. Holy, er, cow they're good.

Muahahaha

The Nal wrote: »

FXB have Wagyu burgers now. Holy, er, cow they're good.

Do you meant the butchers on Moore St or one of their restaurants?

The Nal

Muahahaha wrote: »

Do you meant the butchers on Moore St or one of their restaurants?

I bought them in FXB in Nutgrove.

Muahahaha

cheers will check them out

Ryath

Kenwood mincer on offer for £60
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002LZUEPS?psc=1

tangy

That might be because of this
https://www.aldi.co.uk/ambiano-pink-classic-stand-mixer/p/802437414880900
(other colours are available )

This looks a better bet, at a different price point
https://www.aldi.co.uk/black-ambiano-premium-stand-mixer/p/706148417870101

vicwatson

Ryath wrote: »

Kenwood mincer on offer for £60
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002LZUEPS?psc=1

This is €150 in Power City

Patsy167

Found this quite interesting - https://i.redd.it/hhx3ildakil51.jpg

Tree

I made a great burger on the BBQ the other weekend.

Minced beef(15% fat) blended with leftover bread stuffing and a splash of cream. Cooked on the BBQ at high heat for crispy edges.
Brioche bun, spread with Mayo and toased on the BBQ
Bit of ketchup and an easy single, and that was that.

Also made some belgian frites to go with it, cooked on the BBQ side burner to keep the deepfrying smell outdoors. Belgian style cause it's not a high enough powered burner...