Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2017

Trigger

So it looked like Griezmann was going to be bought to play alongside Ibra,probably from the right, and we cooled our interest in him a couple of weeks ago(probably when it became apparent the extent of Ibras injury). So now we are looking for a proper No.9. Maybe CF wasn't going to be upgraded this season and was going to be held off till next Summer

Depends on how much we are willing to spend this summer but I think this is why the Perisic rumours have come up. A cheaper alternative and then spend big on the CF, Lukaku I reckon now that Costa won't be going to Atleti. It really does depend on how many positions Jose is looking to upgrade. If we get a few players relatively cheap, we might still go for AG

Billy86

bangkok wrote: »

Now theres an argument....... dont think there has been or ever will be better keeper in one on one situations than peter schmeichel was. We are very lucky to have had such great keepers at the club (apart from taibi)

It's hard to say, I'd call it pretty much a coin toss between him and VDS which is pretty remarkable - Schmeichel would likely edge it on longevity but it really is incredibly close.

HigginsJ

Billy86 wrote: »

It's hard to say, I'd call it pretty much a coin toss between him and VDS which is pretty remarkable - Schmeichel would likely edge it on longevity but it really is incredibly close.

Pretty much would agree with this, although can you imagine if VDS had signed in '01, he would win out then.

The_Kew_Tour

VDS was more consistent. He only made 1 howler and that was against West Brom in 2-2 draw at OT.

Schmeichel was more of match winner and games like Newcastle away in March 1996 and Chelsea in December 1998 stick out as games where nobody could beat him.

Along with DDG we have had 3 super keepers.

JamboMac

Hoping griezman is still going to happen, some reports just said he was down the pecking order in priorities.
But find it hard to believe any stories and think reporters and papers are just throwing bull poop everywhere and hoping it will stick.

Lord TSC

JamboMac wrote: »

Hoping griezman is still going to happen, some reports just said he was down the pecking order in priorities.
But find it hard to believe any stories and think reporters and papers are just throwing bull poop everywhere and hoping it will stick.

When you see coordinated reports, like there was this morning, then it means the club has relayed the information to the journalists. Us cooling out interest wasn't plucked from thin air, it was information given to the journalists by the club. Ducker and Stones both had identical stories at identical times.

beakerjoe

Lord TSC wrote: »

When you see coordinated reports, like there was this morning, then it means the club has relayed the information to the journalists. Us cooling out interest wasn't plucked from thin air, it was information given to the journalists by the club. Ducker and Stones both had identical stories at identical times.

Oh 100 percent, but I think people (like me for one) are hoping for a turn around in the coming weeks perhaps, from Griezmann himself maybe.

jayo26

The only thing we can take from all this is that the press haven't a clue.

United didn't just change their minds about griezmann the same day that Madrid had the ban confirmed he said himself two weeks ago his future would be decided this week obviously he ment he wouldn't push for a move if Madrid couldn't replace him.

United have known for two months zlatan is going to be out for a long time they won't start next season waiting on a 36 year old man to get fit and hope he picks up where he left off.

United knew griezmann wouldn't move if ban was upheld so they move on to other target's.

pjohnson

1. Schmeichel
2. Van Der Sar
3. De Gea

Schmiechel and Oliver Kahn being close for best goalkeeper of my lifetime.

Lord TSC

Chatter that Griezmann has been offered, and will sign, a contract extension tonight

jayo26

pjohnson wrote: »

1. Schmeichel
2. Van Der Sar
3. De Gea

Schmiechel and Oliver Kahn being close for best goalkeeper of my lifetime.

Buffon for me even tho I loved schmeichel I think buffon has been fantastic for nearly 20 years.

jayo26

Lord TSC wrote: »

Chatter that Griezmann has been offered, and will sign, a contract extension tonight

never wanted him anyway

keane2097

Always very surprised at the number of people who put VDS ahead of Schmeichel. Schmeichel miles ahead.

beakerjoe

keane2097 wrote: »

Always very surprised at the number of people who put VDS ahead of Schmeichel. Schmeichel miles ahead.

I dont think they are miles ahead. I feel teh had different quailities and different weaknesses. Both great for different reasons.

tvercetti

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

VDS was more consistent. He only made 1 howler and that was against West Brom in 2-2 draw at OT.

I'm probably being extremely harsh on him considering how much of a legend he is but his final game always sticks with me. CL Final 3-1 loss to Barca, beaten 3 times at his near post, the first 2 in particular were a real disappointment. He tried to guess the first and blamed the defenders for the 2nd but his starting position just seemed to be all wrong. Obviously beaten by a better team, maybe the greatest team ever and were outplayed but still hurts.

keane2097

VDS was a solid, reliable goalie, Schmeichel is an all time great.

RobertKK

I guess Neymar or Ronaldo said yes :P

Cotts72

https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/1077662/manchester-united-boss-jose-mourinho-eyes-move-for-werder-bremen-striker-max-kruse-as-antoine-griezmann-move-stalls/



Saw some German account tweeting this earlier... I guess Muppet season is in full wing now!

Cookiemunster

Cotts72 wrote: »

https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/1077662/manchester-united-boss-jose-mourinho-eyes-move-for-werder-bremen-striker-max-kruse-as-antoine-griezmann-move-stalls/


Saw some German account tweeting this earlier... I guess Muppet season is in full wing now!

Max Kruse? Jaysus it a bit early for them to be scraping the bottom of the rumour barrel isn't it? Definitely not a Jose type player. More interested in his social life and playing high stakes poker than playing football.

TheDoc

HigginsJ wrote: »

Who do you class as all time greats? And what do you mean by "old method". Players will change with the times and the laws of the games now are much different to back in the era. At this point in time DDG & Neuer are the 2 best and Buffon is probably still not a million miles away despite his age. That is all that can be really judged.

I know what you mean in terms of the game changing and goalkeepers changing with it, but I think the overall standard and quality of goalkeeping has dropped across the board.

Noticeable traits and skills leaving the game are keepers commanding their box and catching balls and anticipating strikers breaking through, and claiming the ball at their feet.

There is an argument for the change in ball, but I think that is just an excuse to be honest, and mostly bollox.

So of course a player can only be judged in their era, and these two guys are incredible keepers. I just don't think I'd rate either as I did the likes of Schmeichael (my idol) or Kahn

De Gea actually struggles to get widespread praise with his style from a lot of former keepers. Remember Neville Southall was really critical. And 15 years ago it was valid critism, keepers who used their feet extensively essentially weren't positioning themselves properly.

I think De Gea is just very unorthodox. But it works. And I do rate him currently world class, before anyone takes a spin that I'm talking **** about Dave The Save

TheDoc

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Max Kruse? Jaysus it a bit early for them to be scraping the bottom of the rumour barrel isn't it? Definitely not a Jose type player. More interested in his social life and playing high stakes poker than playing football.

While he had a decent season, he has been horribly inconsistent if not disappointing for years, and I doubt would figure anywhere near our transfer plans this summer.

RobertKK

The Telegraph says "With Manchester United understood to have ended their interest in Antoine Griezmann in favour of targeting an out-and-out number nine, there are suggestions Jose Mourinho could be plotting an audacious move to bring Ronaldo back to Old Trafford."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/06/01/cristiano-ronaldo-admits-misses-manchester-united-premier-league/

Lord TSC

RobertKK wrote: »

The Telegraph says "With Manchester United understood to have ended their interest in Antoine Griezmann in favour of targeting an out-and-out number nine, there are suggestions Jose Mourinho could be plotting an audacious move to bring Ronaldo back to Old Trafford."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/06/01/cristiano-ronaldo-admits-misses-manchester-united-premier-league/

Yeah! Summer is officially here :P

jayo26

I'm actually bored of it already ha.

J. Marston

What about Lacazette? Atletico had their ban upheld so he might be an option.

adox

keane2097 wrote: »

VDS was a solid, reliable goalie, Schmeichel is an all time great.

Yeah I'd agree. VDS was very very reliable alright, rarely made mistakes but Schmeichel was an absolute beast of a keeper. He took keeping to a new level imo.

adox

TheDoc wrote: »

I know what you mean in terms of the game changing and goalkeepers changing with it, but I think the overall standard and quality of goalkeeping has dropped across the board.

Noticeable traits and skills leaving the game are keepers commanding their box and catching balls and anticipating strikers breaking through, and claiming the ball at their feet.

There is an argument for the change in ball, but I think that is just an excuse to be honest, and mostly bollox.

So of course a player can only be judged in their era, and these two guys are incredible keepers. I just don't think I'd rate either as I did the likes of Schmeichael (my idol) or Kahn

De Gea actually struggles to get widespread praise with his style from a lot of former keepers. Remember Neville Southall was really critical. And 15 years ago it was valid critism, keepers who used their feet extensively essentially weren't positioning themselves properly.

I think De Gea is just very unorthodox. But it works. And I do rate him currently world class, before anyone takes a spin that I'm talking **** about Dave The Save

Yeah I agree that the standard of keeping has dropped over the last few years. The amount of keepers that have little or no command of their box is shocking tbh. I do have sympathy with them with regards to shot stopping and nearly always punching or parrying the ball instread of trying to hold it, with the "new" ball but the amount of crosses or balls into the box that are punched(when they do bother to come for the ball)instead of held is a joke.
Also Peps seeming insistence on prioritising a keeper that is good with his feet over a good keeper is really laughable.

De Gea is a great keeper of this era and pulls off saves at times that he has no right to but the sight of a ball coming into his six yard line or nearer and he's rotted to his line drives me bonkers.

Still think it would be a huge loss if he did leave. A bigger loss than many seem to be anticipating.

Pro. F

HigginsJ wrote: »

Could be just me but I'd have more faith in the keeper transferring his ability than some of those strikers, that being said we have had some pretty poor keeping in the last 25 years when the keeper wasn't Schmeichel, VDS or DDG, which backs up ericzeking point about the mental side of the game.

I'd still be more confident in one of the keepers listed to come in and replace DDG than the strikers listed (outside of Lukaku, Griezmann & Kane) being able to replace Ibra's production.

I doubt it's just you, that seems to be the most common view on these things. But it's one I just don't share. I don't see the evidence to back that view up. And I see evidence to the contrary all the time, because it is more common to see big clubs with first choice goalkeepers who aren't good enough than with first choice strikers who aren't.

The_Kew_Tour

in PL era only Barthez and Hart have been average keeper for PL winning teams.

Barthez though was very good the season we won the league though.

DM_7

J. Marston wrote: »

What about Lacazette? Atletico had their ban upheld so he might be an option.

Yeah, United could mind him for a year while Atleti have their regiatration ban. If he ends up great tell them to feck off

The_Kew_Tour

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

in PL era only Barthez and Hart have been average keeper for PL winning teams.

Barthez though was very good the season we won the league though.

I will never forget how annoyed I was with his x2 howlers against Arsenal.
Henry gifted two goals

Pro. F

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

in PL era only Barthez and Hart have been average keeper for PL winning teams.

Barthez though was very good the season we won the league though.

Yep, you almost always need a top quality keeper if you want to win the league. Same as with strikers. But the market doesn't seem to think that way at all.

Nalz

M!Ck^ wrote: »

I will never forget how annoyed I was with his x2 howlers against Arsenal.
Henry gifted two goals

Threw a beermat at a barman in pure anger when that happened. Stupid thing to do I know but cant change it now! Young and ​stupid

Moist Bread

Barty was a top class keeper

tayto lover

M!Ck^ wrote: »

I will never forget how annoyed I was with his x2 howlers against Arsenal.
Henry gifted two goals

I remember that well Mick.
Now leave Saint Bart alone :pac:

GSPfan

Lads I'm quite happy we walk away from Griezmann if the Club don't want to trigger the release fee. At some stage we have to show we are not prepared to meet every release fee for every player as it sets a precedent we can't afford. We'll be breaking transfer records every year if we keep showing how stupid we are.

bangkok

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

in PL era only Barthez and Hart have been average keeper for PL winning teams.

Barthez though was very good the season we won the league though.

Schmeichel with leicester?

bangkok

GSPfan wrote: »

Lads I'm quite happy we walk away from Griezmann if the Club don't want to trigger the release fee. At some stage we have to show we are not prepared to meet every release fee for every player as it sets a precedent we can't afford. We'll be breaking transfer records every year if we keep showing how stupid we are.

Screw that, i say we buy ronaldo for 1 billion. Really make a statement

adox

GSPfan wrote: »

Lads I'm quite happy we walk away from Griezmann if the Club don't want to trigger the release fee. At some stage we have to show we are not prepared to meet every release fee for every player as it sets a precedent we can't afford. We'll be breaking transfer records every year if we keep showing how stupid we are.

Is there any talk of that being the reason?

The_Kew_Tour

bangkok wrote: »

Schmeichel with leicester?

Think he is a very solid keeper myself. Some of the Top m6 teams have worse in my opinion.

GSPfan

adox wrote: »

Is there any talk of that being the reason?

No, but I hope that is the reason if we don't sign him. I think it's a much better message to put out there.

Robson99

DM_7 wrote: »

Lukaku and Perisic instead of Ibra and Griezemann?

Would prefer Cavani and Sanchez. Surprised we are nit being linked to Cavani considering he is a Jose type CF and with PSG being linked with Aubameyang.

Robson99

Mitch Connor wrote: »

IMO we needed Greizmann to improve our attacking play - movement, creativity, interplay etc. Replacing Ibrahimovic with a traditional number 9 and not getting Griezmann (or similar) to help alter the attacking play will not help United to improve to the required level, imo.

I'd be happier with Martial, Rashford, Griezmann leading the line next season than Rashford, Lukaku, Mata - for example. I'd fear a similar style of attack which just didn't prove good enough - particularly at the end of the season imo.

Would loved to have seen a front 3 of Rashford, Grizeman and Martial but couldn't see Jose doing that. Think he would have to change his style of play to accommodate them hence why I see him going for a robust centre forward.
Dont think Lukaku is the answer either

jimmytwotimes 2013

https://twitter.com/GuillemBalague/status/870350523882508289

Guillem, u bollix!!

jimmytwotimes 2013

https://twitter.com/AntoGriezmann/status/870348612311678976


Time to move on it seems.

Lord TSC

As I said, take solace in the facts this won't be a long drawn out saga. It's over with and we aren't a week gone from the end of the season.

Star linking us to Lacazette who obviously can't sign as a Griezmann replacement now.

hufpc8w3adnk65

What does the tweet say in English from AG?

bangkok

Lord TSC wrote: »

As I said, take solace in the facts this won't be a long drawn out saga. It's over with and we aren't a week gone from the end of the season.

Star linking us to Lacazette who obviously can't sign as a Griezmann replacement now.

Lacazette no thanks. Dont think he is good enough for us

Rossi IRL

Really wanted Griezmann

Trigger

MrMac84 wrote: »

What does the tweet say in English from AG?

Now more than ever