Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2017

statto25

Lord TSC wrote: »

Internationals are over now, yeah?

Another round of games this weekend.

bangkok

We should have signed dembele for 500k when he went to celtic. I still think we should try and sign him. Should be available for around 20m.

Lord TSC

bangkok wrote: »

We should have signed dembele for 500k when he went to celtic. I still think we should try and sign him. Should be available for around 20m.

Cause what we need is another unproven kid full of potential?

Cantona's Collars

https://twitter.com/SkySportsNewsHQ/status/872797188560216065

Sky sources: "United not offering Zlatan a contract extension".

Cantona's Collars

Italian sports daily Tuttosport claims that Jose Mourinho’s agent, Jorge Mendes, has flown to Italy for talks with Torino over striking sensation Andrea Belotti. The Portuguese tactician is determined to bring in some heavy duty reinforcements this summer and the 23-year-old remains one of his priority targets.

http://www.calciomercato.com/en/news/manchester-united-mourinho-s-agent-arrives-in-italy-for-talks-wi-71008

bucketybuck

zerks wrote: »

https://twitter.com/SkySportsNewsHQ/status/872797188560216065

Sky sources: "United not offering Zlatan a contract extension".

Sentiment aside, that would absolutely be the correct decision. With his wages, his age, the type of injury he has and the realistic date of return it would be madness to include him in any plans going forward. If he wasn't so famous it wouldn't even be a discussion.

Its a real shame but there is no way continuing his contract could be justified.

bangkok

zerks wrote: »

https://twitter.com/SkySportsNewsHQ/status/872797188560216065

Sky sources: "United not offering Zlatan a contract extension".

Was this not reported a few weeks ago?

bangkok

zerks wrote: »

http://www.calciomercato.com/en/news/manchester-united-mourinho-s-agent-arrives-in-italy-for-talks-wi-71008

Busy man that mendes, he is in milan as well talking to them about diego costa

Son Of A Vidic

Lord TSC wrote: »

Would you worry about Bale and his injury record?

With his injury record, he seems to be morphing into a Phil Jones 2.0. Last thing we need is another physio room junkie, so I'd stay well clear of him.

Mitch Connor

bucketybuck wrote: »

Sentiment aside, that would absolutely be the correct decision. With his wages, his age, the type of injury he has and the realistic date of return it would be madness to include him in any plans going forward. If he wasn't so famous it wouldn't even be a discussion.

Its a real shame but there is no way continuing his contract could be justified.

Wonder if United will still support his rehab and then both parties make a decision on what happens next after he gets back to football training.

bucketybuck

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Wonder if United will still support his rehab and then both parties make a decision on what happens next after he gets back to football training.

Support his rehab and then offer a short term rolling contract should he ever demonstrate his fitness, sure, the chance of him coming into the team late in the season and having a Henrik Larsson type effect would be worth exploring. But we can't extend his current contract, no way.

Sebastian Dangerfield

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Rooney was absolutely no use last season, and rarely played as a striker when he did play - so we don't need a striker to replace him.

But by not replacing him (or having an alternative) last year we suffered, so you're right - we can't get much worse by letting Rooney go and not replacing him, but "not getting worse" isn't much use. They need to improve.

Mitch Connor

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

But by not replacing him (or having an alternative) last year we suffered, so you're right - we can't get much worse by letting Rooney go and not replacing him, but "not getting worse" isn't much use. They need to improve.

But we could replace him with winger/attacker (like Greizmann), which IMO is a requirement for the first 11, rather than a, possibly substitute, striker. (along with signing a first choice striker).

EDIT:

My arguement in formation (obviously need to replace Greizmann with someone else, but don't know who):

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Morata
Rashford

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Greizmann

Other options based on form/suspensions/injuries

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Greizmann
Rashford

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Mata

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Martial
Rashford

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Mata

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Martial
Mkhitaryan

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Mata

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Rashford
Martial

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Lingard

bangkok

£19m a season saved by not offering zlatan a new contract.

Liam McPoyle

bangkok wrote: »

£19m a season saved by not offering zlatan a new contract.

He was on £365,000 a week?

HigginsJ

bangkok wrote: »

£19m a season saved by not offering zlatan a new contract.

How much is he on? How much do we save if he and Rooney are no longer on the books?

HigginsJ

Rod Munch wrote: »

He was on £365,000 a week?

Didn't know how much he is on, that is just shy of £19 million. :eek:

Mitch Connor

Rod Munch wrote: »

He was on £365,000 a week?

Apparently so - convinced I read that number last week. Could be the same as Young/Rooney contracts though in that the 365,000 figure is made up of base wage plus signing on fee pro-rated over the length of the contract. Could easily have seen a 10million or so signing on fee considering he was a 'free' transfer. Free transfers usually have a massive signing on fee. It could be an subsequent contract wouldn't include that so be do to 250k or something.

Think he was on near 500k before tax at PSG.

Cantona's Collars

https://twitter.com/sistoney67/status/872813542726131712

bangkok

Rod Munch wrote: »

He was on £365,000 a week?

Yep and to make it even more crazy he was on a bonus of something like 250k if he scored 10 goals, 500k for 15 goals and 1m if he hit 20!!!

Mitch Connor

HigginsJ wrote: »

How much is he on? How much do we save if he and Rooney are no longer on the books?

The Rooney figure is inconsistently reported to a massive degree. Could be anywhere from 220k to 300k depending where you read. My understanding is it is somewhere between 220k to 250k (I think 220) with about 50k per week notionally on top of that (not actually paid) as the value added by the United sponsorship team working on Rooney's personal sponsorship - which was negotiated and agreed at the time of his last contract.

bucketybuck

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

But by not replacing him (or having an alternative) last year we suffered, so you're right - we can't get much worse by letting Rooney go and not replacing him, but "not getting worse" isn't much use. They need to improve.

This was my thought exactly, Rooney's lack of contribution last season is something we need to change, not recreate.

Mitch Connor wrote: »

But we could replace him with winger/attacker (like Greizmann), which IMO is a requirement for the first 11, rather than a, possibly substitute, striker. (along with signing a first choice striker).

It should be all three, a good, pacy wide player, a first choice top drawer striker, and another good quality striker to rotate/compete.

The thing is, we are already coming down with number 10's and players who can play in those deeper/wider supporting roles, we can improve there but as we saw plenty of times this season we have the creativity there to make do for another while. What we didn't have was the ruthlessness up front, and once Zlatan got injured we also lost all physical presence up front and things went to pot altogether. Addressing the causes of that must be absolute top priority ahead of straightforward improvements in other areas.

The_Kew_Tour

Love Zlatan but its the correct decision

Mitch Connor

bucketybuck wrote: »

This was my thought exactly, Rooney's lack of contribution last season is something we need to change, not recreate.


It should be all three, a good, pacy wide player, a first choice top drawer striker, and another good quality striker to rotate/compete.

The thing is, we are already coming down with number 10's and players who can play in those deeper/wider supporting roles, we can improve there but as we saw plenty of times this season we have the creativity there to make do for another while. What we didn't have was the ruthlessness up front, and once Zlatan got injured we also lost all physical presence up front and things went to pot altogether. Addressing the causes of that must be absolute top priority ahead of straightforward improvements in other areas.

If we get a striker and an attacking threat from wide/off the striker in - i'm not going to complain massively if we then also buy a backup striker (though I would have big concerns over the use and development of Martial and Rashford if we did) - i'm just saying I don't think not signing a second striker would be a huge misstep as was originally stated. I think not signing a wide/off the striker attacking threat or a defensive midfielder would be huge missteps.

Striker, Defensive Midfielder, Wing Forward, Left Back, Centre Back, Centre Mid, Striker.

That would be my order of priority in terms of signings this summer.

Cantona's Collars

Morata seemingly started following EPL players on instagram.

bucketybuck

Mitch Connor wrote: »

If we get a striker and an attacking threat from wide/off the striker in - i'm not going to complain massively if we then also buy a backup striker (though I would have big concerns over the use and development of Martial and Rashford if we did) - i'm just saying I don't think not signing a second striker would be a huge misstep as was originally stated. I think not signing a wide/off the striker attacking threat or a defensive midfielder would be huge missteps.

Striker, Defensive Midfielder, Wing Forward, Left Back, Centre Back, Centre Mid, Striker.

That would be my order of priority in terms of signings this summer.

Well you know my opinion. I honestly do think it would be a huge misstep, and I don't particularly want to be sitting here at christmas saying I told you so. The consequences of not addressing our finishing woes far outweigh any other issue in that squad, we can make do in other areas but like I said, further goalscoring problems will cause heads to roll.

I would certainly place two new strikers ahead of any defender or midfielder, we have 5 central defenders for example as opposed to currently having two unproven kids as our strike force.

Cantona's Collars

Bookmakers have slashed their odds dramatically on Clarets defender Michael Keane to re-join Manchester United. The 24-year-old, signed in September 2014, is now as short as 2/13 with 888sport to head back to Old Trafford during the summer. Keane, who won the FA Youth Cup with the Red Devils alongside Paul Pogba six years ago, has made 100 league appearances for the Clarets, scoring seven times. The centre back, who still has a year remaining on his contract at Turf Moor, received two caps for his country when appearing against Germany and Lithuania. He was also recognised in the PFA Young Player of the Year category while landing the player of the year accolade from his team mates at Burnley's end of season awards ceremony. United are odds on 1/2 favourites to secure the signatures of Victor Lindelof, who they have been tracking for a while, and also Alvaro Morata. The Real Madrid striker is now a 3/4 price to join United in summer, following heavy speculation of a switch this week. Jose Mourinho's side are also 2/1 to sign Juventus striker and Champions League finalist Paulo Dybala,

Read more at: http://www.burnleyexpress.net/sport/football/clarets/bookies-slash-odds-on-clarets-defender-michael-keane-rejoining-manchester-united-1-8585378

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zerks wrote: »

Read more at: http://www.burnleyexpress.net/sport/football/clarets/bookies-slash-odds-on-clarets-defender-michael-keane-rejoining-manchester-united-1-8585378

Dybala isn't a 9/CF is he? From the few times I've seen him he plays in 1 of the 3 positions behind that?

Mitch Connor

Dybala? EL OH EL! No chance Juve sell him.

Lord TSC

Dybala is Italy's version of Kane. No chance of that one either.

wong

Dybala being compared to Kane? What in the world.

bangkok

Lord TSC wrote: »

Dybala is Italy's version of Kane. No chance of that one either.

Not really, he is from argentina and plays behind the main striker

Never Forget!!!!
Thank you Zlatan

Headshot

Id be gutted to see Zlatan going.

A born winner, he still could be a driving force in the dressing room and training pitch

Dont want him gone

pjohnson

I didnt think of Martial as a striker this year more of a winger. Morata and Rashford alone wont get us into 4th let alone push for higher.

Lord TSC

bangkok wrote: »

Not really, he is from argentina and plays behind the main striker

I meant in terms of a young player who has a top level team nearly built around him, who has shown no desire to move and who, if you did want him, would need to bid an extraordinary amount. He's the Italian league's version of Kane in terms of our chances of getting near him....

StringerBell

Dybala can play as a 9, but Higuain can't play anywhere other then 9

Dybala can play anywhere in the attack imo, lovely player. Not as ungettable as Kane, but not far off tbf.

Robson99

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I disagree, in terms of signing two 'strikers'. I can't see us playing two up top - so two strikers is overkill - when we would have (for example) Morata, Rashford and Martial who could play through the middle. Someone like Griezmann would have been perfect imo - can oplay from the wing, off a leading striker or can be played in the point position if needed, as he has amply proven. I'm not sure what player would be similar to Greizmann that we could get in terms of position/flexibility (we aren't signing Sanchez).

I want more of a wing forward (like Griezman) rather than an attacking midfielder (Mata, Mkhitaryan) - someone like Robben was in the first iteration of Jose's chelsea.

Exactly. Dont need 2 central players up top. Morata and a Sanchez would be ideal. If we dont give Martial and Rashford plenty of game time then we may as well sell them. Its always been the Utd way to give young players a chance to progress and long may it continue. Its not too long ago we were taking the piss out of City for buying a league.
Have faith in martial and Rashford
And for middle of the park id bring back Pereira and take a punt on Reneto sanches

Trigger

Ehm...

https://twitter.com/MailSport/status/872929534873677825

Hococop

Would he also get a loyalty bonus?

caviardreams

Maybe he is banking on our injury record being so bad again that he will end up getting a decent number of games, but still, he will have to move on next year anyway.

jayo26

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxDoD7AOPs4

Compilation of Pogbas shots that hit the bar he has been so unlucky.

StringerBell

No coincidence that it gets reported just after the stories that Rooney isn't getting the kind of salary offers he wants judging by the "Rooney will not take a pay cut to stay in England" of course.

jayo26

I thought roonies contract ran until 2019 he signed a 5 and half year contract under moyes?

adox

I'd really like to see Rooney out of the club and the next phase evolve.

Of course he's been a brilliant player but probably should have gone last season or th season before. He's at best a squad player now. Apart from his wages, I'd just like to see such a powerful figure at the club, a remnant of the past if you will, out of the dressing room completely.

I think it would do all involved the world of good for Rooney and Utd to part ways this summer. I'll be amazed if it doesn't happen.

StringerBell

For him personally I feel a move would be the best chance he has to rejuvenate himself.

The part time boy

It's a bit odd. If it is about money why does he not just go to China ? Or is he too lazy to get on a plane.

Shame I saying that about the club top scorer

Cotts72

Tuttosport running story tomorrow that we've bid €80mill for Belotti even though Morata is first choice. We are hardly signing both :eek::p

Trigger

Cotts72 wrote: »

Tuttosport running story tomorrow that we've bid €80mill for Belotti even though Morata is first choice. We are hardly signing both :eek::p

Tutto can be pretty bad, it's like the Italian equivalent of the sun or metro I'd personally have Morata over Belotti but think the last few days have shown that

~Rebel~

The part time boy wrote: »

It's a bit odd. If it is about money why does he not just go to China ? Or is he too lazy to get on a plane.

Shame I saying that about the club top scorer

Doesn't exactly seem the sort of chap that would fare well in a completely alien culture. He's got a giant contract where he is, surrounded by friends and family, so it makes sense that he'd let that run out first at least.

Then probably move to Everton on a still-decent contract next year and close out his career there.