Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2017

GSPfan

Lord TSC wrote: »

Says the guy looking for conspiracy theories?

You related to Griezmann or something? Seem a bit touchy about it.

TheDoc

TheDoc wrote: »

Probably some big incentives in the contract for goals etc.

I was reading recently that this is "seemingly" only a real thing in England. I found that hard to believe that other countries like Spain, Italy and Germany wouldn't have goal bonuses and assists bonuses or whatever, but transpires in England it dwarves other nations in terms of the figures?

Its a silly thing to incentives though. if they want bonuses it should be something like goal or assist or major contribution to a goal. but incentivising the individual over the team is never good imo

Jayop

rwbug wrote: »

Pogba wages were disclosed by footyleaks

2016/17 - £220,769
Basic salary £8.61 million or £165k per week
Image rights £2.87 million

2017/18 - £306,826
Basic Salary £7.75 million or £149k per week
Image rights £2.87 million
Loyalty Bonus £3.46 million
Champs League Qualification £1.875 million

So basic is the low figure and the rest if bonus and image rights. The image rights is an interesting one. How would you calculate the image rights for say someone like Lindelof or VdV? You'd imagine they would be a fraction of someone who's as marketable as a Pobga or in Liverpool's case I guess a Coutinhio?

Even the image rights between equally marketable players at two different clubs must be vastly different. Given how much United generate from advertising I'd imagine that plays a huge part in the image rights deals that players get to take part in these campaigns.

A loyalty bonus of about half the original wages after 1 season is a joke though imo.

Jayop

Deleted User wrote: »

Its a silly thing to incentives though. if they want bonuses it should be something like goal or assist or major contribution to a goal. but incentivising the individual over the team is never good imo

rwbug just showed the bonus that Pogba is said to be on and it's collective by the looks of it as well as image rights which would be down to the player.

Jayop

Jayop wrote: »

rwbug just showed the bonus that Pogba is said to be on and it's collective by the looks of it as well as image rights which would be down to the player.

O I was just having a wee off current topic rant. Dont mind me

rwbug

Soriano wrote in his book when at Barca that he believes goal bonuses are detrimental to the overall good of the team, so it is doubtful that they play a major part of Citys wage structure. The wages are supposedly heavily incentivised though, probably on team based goals rather than individual.

At City the basic wage is supposed to be 80% of what they believe a players wage should be, but bonuses can take the basic wage higher to 120%.

Liverpool are the weird one out the big clubs, they correctly pay their better players like Coutinho very well but seem to overpay their squad players, resulting in a very high wage bill.

Headshot

I see Lindel?f has been rested on the bench for the Norway v Sweden match

Mitch Connor

Headshot wrote: »

I see Lindel?f has been rested on the bench for the Norway v Sweden match

dropped cause he is rubbish and a disaster of a signing for United. Mourinho and Woodward should be sacked.

RobertKK

France scores and the French celebrate, including a French fan in a United shirt.

Jayop

BTW has anyone seen Ray Wilkins embarrass himself talking about lindelof? It's hilarious.

RobertKK

Ray Wilkins, a so called football expert...

https://twitter.com/utdinterest/status/874350384759885824

bangkok

RobertKK wrote: »

Ray Wilkins, a so called football expert...

https://twitter.com/utdinterest/status/874350384759885824

its sky sports.

nothing to do with being an expert, they have Paul Merson on regularly, who is awful.

Jamie Redknapp is one of their main pundits.

BT have robbie savage, michael owen and owen hargreves

bbc have phil neville, mark lawerson and sometimes joey barton

rte have eamonn dunphy, richard sadlier dietmar hamann

tv3 once had ken doherty as a pundit!!

jayo26

bangkok wrote: »

its sky sports.

nothing to do with being an expert, they have Paul Merson on regularly, who is awful.

Jamie Redknapp is one of their main pundits.

BT have robbie savage, michael owen and owen hargreves

bbc have phil neville, mark lawerson and sometimes joey barton

rte have eamonn dunphy, richard sadlier dietmar hamann

tv3 once had ken doherty as a pundit!!

And we have bangkok :=)

Mars Bar

Pogba has been very good for France. Some outrageous skills on show!

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God I love Pogba

Jayop

RobertKK wrote: »

Ray Wilkins, a so called football expert...

reminds me of an ex-Arsenal player on Sky complaing about Marco Silva getting the Hull job. Says it should have went to a young English manager. When asked for an example of who he meant he said Tierry Henry.

Like these guys are paid for their opinions.

Alf Veedersane

Jayop wrote: »

reminds me of an ex-Arsenal player on Sky complaing about Marco Silva getting the Hull job. Says it should have went to a young English manager. When asked for an example of who he meant he said Tierry Henry.

Like these guys are paid for their opinions.

Paul 'Nice'-but-dim Merson

bangkok

Jayop wrote: »

reminds me of an ex-Arsenal player on Sky complaing about Marco Silva getting the Hull job. Says it should have went to a young English manager. When asked for an example of who he meant he said Tierry Henry.

Like these guys are paid for their opinions.

but its stuff like that that gets people talking. If you had proper experts on the programme it would be very boring

Mars Bar

https://twitter.com/Cechque/status/874727351191347200

bangkok

Mars Bar wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Cechque/status/874727351191347200

hes a top top top top top top top player jeff

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Thank **** those rumours on Dyer have gone

Toobz

Pogba making an absolute show of england

Jayop

Did they get pen for that? The vid cut off but it looks like Cahill was going to Sean Cavanagh him.

Quandary

this is Pogba playing a more advanced role with less defensive responsibility. give the man a bit of freedom and he could be lethal for us. class act tonight.

he is playing against a non existent English midfield and poor centre halves though. still, very positive

DM_7

Only watching because of Pogba but France have some very good young players. Pogba, Mbappe and Dembele made that third goal look so easy.

adox

Quandary wrote: »

this is Pogba playing a more advanced role with less defensive responsibility. give the man a bit of freedom and he could be lethal for us. class act tonight.

he is playing against a non existent English midfield and poor centre halves though. still, very positive

Still think we don't currently have the player to offer the defensive cover for him. That's why I think a DM signing is as important as a striker and will have such a positive effect on the balance of the team offensively as well as defensively.

I really hope that signing happens, whoever it may be.

bangkok

DM_7 wrote: »

Only watching because of Pogba but France have some very good young players. Pogba, Mbappe and Dembele made that third goal look so easy.

think we should try and sign Dembele...

Mbappe is class but dont think Jose would trust him to be our main striker this season and he would cost a fortune

Mars Bar

Jayop wrote: »

Did they get pen for that? The vid cut off but it looks like Cahill was going to Sean Cavanagh him.

No, he squared it but it was cleared.

DM_7

bangkok wrote: »

think we should try and sign Dembele...

Mbappe is class but dont think Jose would trust him to be our main striker this season and he would cost a fortune

Yes please on Dembele.

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That French team is full of stars, so many great players

oozes with class

bangkok

442 next season... build the team around Pogba

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de gea

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valencia---bailly

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lindelof----shaw


mkhitarayan----herrera----pogba----persic

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rashford

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morata

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destroy majority of teams next season with that line up

Alf Veedersane

adox wrote: »

Still think we don't currently have the player to offer the defensive cover for him. That's why I think a DM signing is as important as a striker and will have such a positive effect on the balance of the team offensively as well as defensively.

I really hope that signing happens, whoever it may be.

Said that last season when we signed him. He was never going to answer our midfield problems on his own and he needed a foil that we don't currently have.

Leroy42

How did Pogba play tonight and did Martial get a game?

Trigger

Headshot wrote: »

Thank **** those rumours on Dyer have gone

I don't think Eastenders would release him anyways

Jayop

Perisic - ?40m
Morata - ?60m
Fabinho - ?40m
Lindelof - ?30m

That looks the most likely set of inbound transfers this summer. Around ?170m outgoing.

What are we likely to see outgoing?

Januzaj - ?10m
Jones or Smalling - ?15/20
Maybe Romero??

Anyone else to go?

mickmackey1

Leroy42 wrote: »

How did Pogba play tonight and did Martial get a game?

Probably the best player on the pitch and no.

Hococop

Why was Herrera not in the Spanish squad?

Thibus

Hococop wrote: »

Why was Herrera not in the Spanish squad?

Having a medical with Barca

jayo26

Hococop wrote: »

Why was Herrera not in the Spanish squad?

He is back in London keeping an eye on hazzard in hospital

Bleating Lamb

Jayop wrote: »

Perisic - ?40m
Morata - ?60m
Fabinho - ?40m
Lindelof - ?30m

That looks the most likely set of inbound transfers this summer. Around ?170m outgoing.

What are we likely to see outgoing?

Januzaj - ?10m
Jones or Smalling - ?15/20
Maybe Romero??

Anyone else to go?

Doubt if Januzai would make anything near 10m unfortunately.

bangkok

Leroy42 wrote: »

How did Pogba play tonight and did Martial get a game?

Pogba class.

Martial is out on a south pacific island the past few weeks resting up for next season

GSPfan

What formation did France play and where did Pogba play? Didn't see any of the game.

Jayop

Bleating Lamb wrote: »

Doubt if Januzai would make anything near 10m unfortunately.

That was a figure mentioned in the last few days for a foreign club.

Liam McPoyle

Jayop wrote: »

Perisic - ?40m
Morata - ?60m
Fabinho - ?40m
Lindelof - ?30m

That looks the most likely set of inbound transfers this summer. Around ?170m outgoing.

What are we likely to see outgoing?

Januzaj - ?10m
Jones or Smalling - ?15/20
Maybe Romero??

Anyone else to go?

We still have around £50 from Memphis and Morgan aswell.

Bleating Lamb

Jayop wrote: »

That was a figure mentioned in the last few days for a foreign club.

Well if anyone offers that for him Utd should take it and run.

VW 1

astradave wrote:

I don't think Eastenders would release him anyways

He's a hammer through and through, wouldn't play for anyone else.

Jayop wrote:

That was a figure mentioned in the last few days for a foreign club.

The club mentioned was Sociedad. Presume they've relaxed their basque only policy. Or are they the basque club that don't stick to basques only?

Lithium93_

Just posting as a reminder.

https://twitter.com/CraigNorwood/status/874723137815969796

The 2017/18 fixtures are released tomorrow & Victor Lindel?f is pencilled in for a medical at Carrington before signing his #MUFC contract.

jayo26

VW 1 wrote: »

He's a hammer through and through, wouldn't play for anyone else.



The club mentioned was Sociedad. Presume they've relaxed their basque only policy. Or are they the basque club that don't stick to basques only?

Dont think they go on that they have Carlos vela playing for them

adox

bangkok wrote: »

442 next season... build the team around Pogba

---

de gea

---

valencia---bailly

---

lindelof----shaw


mkhitarayan----herrera----pogba----persic

---

rashford

---

morata

---

destroy majority of teams next season with that line up

Neither Herrera or Pogba can play in a two man midfield.

Jayop

Jayop wrote: »

Perisic - ?40m
Morata - ?60m
Fabinho - ?40m
Lindelof - ?30m

That looks the most likely set of inbound transfers this summer. Around ?170m outgoing.

What are we likely to see outgoing?

Januzaj - ?10m
Jones or Smalling - ?15/20
Maybe Romero??

Anyone else to go?

Would we not be getting 30 mil for smallling minimum surely?

England international and all that