Suspected Terrorist Attack in Paris

Mountainsandh

Harry Palmr wrote: »

When did threads of this nature become a flame to the right wing moths? A few years ago this was happening but newly/recent registered posters were not a strong feature of them, now they make up the majority who only post on threads of this nature or related matters. It feels like boards is being taken over by the right.

I wouldn't really identify as right wing, but I embrace a certain amount of right wing ideas now, because of the urgency of this situation we are all in, in Europe.
It's time to wake up and smell the roses.

I disagree with posters who go on about "Islam" and "Muslims", I think this is about islamism, and extremists.
Having narrowed that target, I think we should act. And acting may mean that innocent Muslims might have to remain in their countries for the time being.

BoatMad wrote: »

" Those that would trade freedom for a little security , deserve neither "
you are walking directly in the trap set by these extremists, which is to turn us into equal extremists , so they can self justify their own barbarity

I get the point of that argument, I think it's partially true, but it really does my head in. What else are we supposed to do ? We have tried to avoid drastic action in Europe, it's not working ! it just is not working. How long ?
It's like having explored all other avenues with a bully, getting continually battered, but refusing to retaliate.

Danzy wrote: »

Abu Yousuf al Belgiki, praised and claimed by the Islamic State.

No concrete evidence yet I suppose.:rolleyes:

They knew this guy's plan was to attack the police (he had said it), he was a person of interest, on the S register. He used his own car for the attack. He could have been heading out for fags, other than he must have had the Kalashnikov stowed inside the vehicle, or brought it in.

BoatMad

Gringo180 wrote: »

If we drain the swamp and stop slaughtering innocent muslims in the middle east we might be able to turn it around. Although I cant see thag happening with the war party in charge in the U.S.

A glimmer of the complexity of this issue begins to seep into this discussion

MysticMonk

MysticMonk wrote: »

Are you taking me up on my sporting wager or what?

Nope.

Dublin Pintman

BoatMad wrote: »

A glimmer of the complexity of this issue begins to seep into this discussion

Again, who were the Swedes bombing?

BoatMad

get the point of that argument, I think it's partially true, but it really does my head in. What else are we supposed to do ? We have tried to avoid drastic action in Europe, it's not working ! it just is not working. How long ?
It's like having explored all other avenues with a bully, getting continually battered, but refusing to retaliate.

I would argue that in other too maintain a free and open lifestyle , we are in fact going to have to accept the fact that such a lifestyle;e leaves us vulnerable to sections that wish too exploit that " openness ". Turning us int a police state is not the solution to protect us from people " that want to turn us into a police state "

Secondly we need to look seriously at the underlying issues, both in the Wests involvement in the ME, and in the decades of ghettoisation that has been common place in Europe ( including Sweden ) . This issue didnt start " from nowhere " .

Richard Hillman

Gringo180 wrote: »

If we drain the swamp and stop slaughtering innocent muslims in the middle east we might be able to turn it around. Although I cant see thag happening with the war party in charge in the U.S.

Another one that has forgotten
https://youtu.be/VJDDSPYQgQc

Danzy

BoatMad wrote: »

well I can certainly see that the right wing is not full of the working classes.

They are not but neither are the left today. In much of Europe the left seem to be even further removed from working class concerns and realities than the right are.

It seems to me that left wing politics is dying in Working Class communities across Europe and polls bear that out.

This is a great pity when you consider the great record of achievement that the Left have given Europe.

Self inflicted

WinnyThePoo

Beyondgone wrote: »

Who many may think of and go "jasus, he was right. Who knew?" - In years to come.

Gringo180

Danzy wrote: »

Yeah they are really teaching France for not invading Iraq and Sweden for bending over backwards to accommodate radical Islam.

Where have you been the last 3 years? France has been blowing the **** out of Iraq and Syria since 2014.

MysticMonk

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Nope.

What a surprise..Just like an antifa stripped of thier mask.

If you won't put your money where your mouth is you can stop ramming your notion that he might not be Muslim down everybody's throats..Apart from anything else it's quite tiresome

CoolHandBandit

Harry Palmr wrote: »

You (in the plural) do seem like types that would be comfortable on the website (that shall not be named without an * being inserted as the owner of boards.ie really doesn't like their name cropping up in a google search of boards).

And there you go again. I'll leave you to it my friend.

BoatMad

Dublin Pintman wrote: »

Again, who were the Swedes bombing?

The West is just that to Islamic fanatics, They dont really differentiate that carefully. Any attack in Europe , has the effect , so they seek out weakness or just that we get random attacks from radicalised individuals

But collectively we need to resolve whats happening in the ME, which has largely given rise to radical Islam and the fact that it blames the " west " for everything

Gringo180

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Another one that has forgotten
https://youtu.be/VJDDSPYQgQc

So America never invaded and killed thousands of Muslims in the middle east before 2001? Theyve been intervening in the region since the 1950s.

MysticMonk

MysticMonk wrote: »

What a surprise..Just like an antifa stripped of thier mask.

If you won't put your money where your mouth is you can stop ramming your notion that he might not be Muslim down everybody's throats..Apart from anything else it's quite tiresome

What in the f*ck is antifa? And what in the f*ck does this have to do with saying what news articles are saying?

Seriously, why aren't you just writing them strongly worded letters, since you appear to care enough to bet a grand ...

BoatMad

Danzy wrote: »

They are not but neither are the left today. In much of Europe the left seem to be even further removed from working class concerns and realities than the right are.

It seems to me that left wing politics is dying in Working Class communities across Europe and polls bear that out.

This is a great pity when you consider the great record of achievement that the Left have given Europe.

Self inflicted

no indication that the " middle classes " are dominating the left either

Plenty of indication that the middle classes are more or less exactly where they always are, ... in the middle .....

Gringo180

BoatMad wrote: »

The West is just that to Islamic fanatics, They dont really differentiate that carefully. Any attack in Europe , has the effect , so they seek out weakness or just that we get random attacks from radicalised individuals

But collectively we need to resolve whats happening in the ME, which has largely given rise to radical Islam and the fact that it blames the " west " for everything

Indeed. Its no coincidence radical Islam has gained more recruits since the illegal invasion of Iraq. Islamic terror attacks was unheard of in Europe before the invasion. Was the London bombings in 2007 the first ever terror attack in the history of the British state by Islamic nutjobs?

Richard Hillman

Gringo180 wrote: »

So America never invaded and killed thousands of Muslims in the middle east before 2001? Theyve been intervening in the region since the 1950s.

Who did they invade in the middle East before 2001?

The only one I can think of is Iraq in 1991 in response to Iraq invading Kuwait.

They flew planes into the twin towers because of a handful of airbases in Saudi Arabia. They started it.

Gringo180

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Who did they invade in the middle East before 2001?

The only one I can think of is Iraq in 1991 in response to Iraq invading Kuwait.

Now your catching on. You see until the west realises the immoral principle of arming your enenies enemy will come back to bite you on the arse. They armed Saddam Hussein to take on the Iranians and look what he done. Not only invaded his neighbours he gassed thousands of Kurds with chemicalsm weapons supplied by the Germans.

greencap

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Who did they invade in the middle East before 2001?

The only one I can think of is Iraq in 1991 in response to Iraq invading Kuwait.

They flew planes into the twin towers because of a handful of airbases in Saudi Arabia. They started it.

They played all sorts of games in Iran, and armed the mooj pretty damn well.

Reuters has reported -

JUST IN: Paris prosecutor says have identified Paris gunman, still assessing whether he had accomplices

Also Another source: The attacker previously intended to kill police officers but was released by the justice because of too little evidence

Beyondgone

BoatMad wrote: »

no indication that the " middle classes " are dominating the left either

Plenty of indication that the middle classes are more or less exactly where they always are, ... in the middle .....

The "left" and "Labour/Socialists" died when they stopped caring for the working classes. To me, now, "Left wing" parties represent University graduates who wouldn't know their USC from their elbows. They're more about transgender than they are about transport. When they ditched the "reality", they embraced the "show". Asking a left winger for their views on immigration is like asking a Lap dancer for their views on nuclear physics. They don't know, but it sounds cool.

BoatMad

You see until the west realises the immoral principle of arming your enenies enemy will come back to bite you on the arse.

The clink of light in this debate has widened considerably ( remember the Stinger missile debacle )

BoatMad

Beyondgone wrote: »

The "left" and "Labour/Socialists" died when they stopped caring for the working classes. To me, now, "Left wing" parties represent University graduates who wouldn't know their USC from their elbows. They're more about transgender than they are about transport. When they ditched the "reality", they embraced the "show". Asking a left winger for their views on immigration is like asking a Lap dancer for their views on nuclear physics. They don't know, but it sounds cool.

I see, like the water charge campaign , was largely led by residents of Dublin 4

I see

hmmmmm.

Danzy

Beyondgone wrote: »

The "left" and "Labour/Socialists" died when they stopped caring for the working classes. To me, now, "Left wing" parties represent University graduates who wouldn't know their USC from their elbows. They're more about transgender than they are about transport. When they ditched the "reality", they embraced the "show". Asking a left winger for their views on immigration is like asking a Lap dancer for their views on nuclear physics. They don't know, but it sounds cool.

The left died when it started opposing the Working Class and the Lower Middle Class, hell even the Middle Class.

It is a dead force now but carried on by its own inertia.

Richard Hillman

BoatMad wrote: »

I see, like the water charge campaign , was largely led by residents of Dublin 4

I see

hmmmmm.

They were subconscious right wingers. Small government, no taxes, no public services

Beyondgone

BoatMad wrote: »

I see, like the water charge campaign , was largely led by residents of Dublin 4

I see

hmmmmm.

You don't have a boat, do you? You're just mad, about them.

Gringo180

BoatMad wrote: »

The clink of light in this debate has widened considerably ( remember the Stinger missile debacle )

Youve some on here that would actually go as far as internment. How stupid can some people be honestly. Look what internment did up in the north, IRA recruits multiplied over night.

The Americans have learned absolutely zero it seems too. Cominv out earlier on with more aggressive rhetoric towards Iran this time. We really have some stupid or evil people in positions of power and in the mianstream media.

CoolHandBandit

In the space of just over four weeks Europe has had 4 terrorist attacks.

Westminster, Uk.
Stockholm, Sweden.
Borussia Dortmund, Germany.
Paris, France.

This is the reality now for Europe. Well done Merkel and Co.

darced

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BoatMad

Richard Hillman wrote: »

They were subconscious right wingers. Small government, no taxes, no public services

You havent actually lived here during this recent campaign then, because that is the most woeful mis-characteristsation of the groups involved.

Paul Murphy is a Subconscious right winger that wants a reduced state sector ..... right , I never knew

Gringo180

CoolHandBandit wrote: »

In the space of just over four weeks Europe has had 4 terrorist attacks.

Westminster, Uk.
Stockholm, Sweden.
Borussia Dortmund, Germany.
Paris, France.

This is the reality now for Europe. Well done George Bush and Tony Blair

Fixed that for you

MysticMonk

BoatMad wrote: »

The clink of light in this debate has widened considerably ( remember the Stinger missile debacle )

Unfortunately this has nothing to do with previous overseas campaigns but more to do with the % of muslims in a given area.

This might explain:
STAGE 1: INFILTRATION
Muslims begin moving to non-Muslim countries in increasing numbers and the beginning of cultural conflicts are visible, though often subtle.

• First migration wave to non-Muslim “host” country.
• Appeal for humanitarian tolerance from the host society.
• Attempts to portray Islam as a peaceful & Muslims as victims of misunderstanding and racism (even though Islam is not a ‘race’).
• High Muslim birth rate in host country increase Muslim population.
• Mosques used to spread Islam and dislike of host country & culture.
• Calls to criminalize “Islamophobia” as a hate crime.
• Threatened legal action for perceived discrimination.
• Offers of “interfaith dialogue” to indoctrinate non-Muslims.

How many nations are suffering from Islamic infiltration? One? A handful? Nearly every nation? The Islamic ‘leadership” of the Muslim Brotherhood and others wish to dissolve each nation’s sovereignty and replace it with the global imposition of Islamic sharia law. Sharia law, based on the koran, sira and hadith, condemns liberty and forbids equality and is inconsistent with the laws of all Western nations. As the author and historian Serge Trifkovic states:
“The refusal of the Western elite class to protect their nations from jihadist infiltration is the biggest betrayal in history.”
STAGE 2: CONSOLIDATION OF POWER
Muslim immigrants and host country converts continue demands for accommodation in employment, education, social services, financing and courts.

• Proselytizing increases; Establishment and Recruitment of Jihadi cells.
• Efforts to convert alienated segments of the population to Islam.
• Revisionist efforts to Islamize history.
• Efforts to destroy historic evidence that reveal true Islamism.
• Increased anti-western propaganda and psychological warfare.
• Efforts to recruit allies who share similar goals (communists, anarchists).
• Attempts to indoctrinate children to Islamist viewpoint.
• Increased efforts to intimidate, silence and eliminate non-Muslims.
• Efforts to introduce blasphemy and hate laws in order to silence critics.
• Continued focus on enlarging Muslim population by increasing Muslim births and immigration.
• Use of charities to recruit supporters and fund jihad.
• Covert efforts to bring about the destruction of host society from within.
• Development of Muslim political base in non-Muslim host society.
• Islamic Financial networks fund political growth, acquisition of land.
• Highly visible assassination of critics aimed to intimidate opposition.
• Tolerance of non-Muslims diminishes.
• Greater demands to adopt strict Islamic conduct.
• Clandestine amassing of weapons and explosives in hidden locations.
• Overt disregard/rejection of non-Muslim society’s legal system, culture.
• Efforts to undermine and destroy power base of non-Muslim religions including and especially Jews and Christians.

Is there a pattern here? Theo van Gogh is murdered in the Netherlands for ‘insulting’ Islam; the Organization of the Islamic Conference demands ‘anti-blasphemy’ laws through the United Nations; France is set afire regularly by ‘youths’ (read Muslims); the rise of (dis-) honor killings…holocaust denial…anti-Semitism…deception re the tenets of Islam; hatred toward Christians and Jews and Hindus and Buddhists. The pattern for all to see is the rise of Islamic intolerance and the covert/cultural jihad to remake host societies into sharia-compliant worlds – to remove host sovereignty and replace it with Islamic sharia law. Sharia law that condemns earthly liberty and individual freedom, that forbids equality among faiths and between the sexes, that rejects the concept of nations outside the global house of Islam, that of dar al-Islam.
STAGE 3: OPEN WAR w/ LEADERSHIP & CULTURE
Open violence to impose Sharia law and associated cultural restrictions; rejection of host government, subjugation of other religions and customs.

• Intentional efforts to undermine the host government & culture.
• Acts of barbarity to intimidate citizens and foster fear and submission.
• Open and covert efforts to cause economic collapse of the society.
• All opposition is challenged and either eradicated or silenced.
• Mass execution of non-Muslims.
• Widespread ethnic cleansing by Islamic militias.
• Rejection and defiance of host society secular laws or culture.
• Murder of “moderate” Muslim intellectuals who don’t support Islamization.
• Destruction of churches, synagogues and other non-Muslim institutions.
• Women are restricted further in accordance with Sharia law.
• Large-scale destruction of population, assassinations, bombings.
• Toppling of government and usurpation of political power.
• Imposition of Sharia law

The website www.thereligionofpeace.com keeps track of the number of violent jihad attacks as best it can. The site lists more than 14,000 attacks since September 2001. It is worth a visit. What is occurring, however, that is likely inestimable are events where muslims are bullied by other muslims for not being “muslim enough,” where non-Muslims are intimidated into doing or not doing what they desire, where remnant populations are in a death spiral simply for being non-muslim in a predominantly muslim area. Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists Animists and Atheists meet with death, property destruction or confiscation, forced conversion, rape, excessive taxation (the jizya), enslavement, riotous mobs and various other forms of islam (in-) justice at the hands of muslims in Sudan, Philippines, Kenya, Malaysia, India, etc. And let us not forget ‘death to Apostates’ the world over.
STAGE 4: Totalitarian ISLAMIC “THEOCRACY”
Islam becomes the only religious-political-judicial-cultural ideology.

• Sharia becomes the “law of the land.
• All non-Islamic human rights cancelled.
• Enslavement and genocide of non-Muslim population.
• Freedom of speech and the press eradicated.
• All religions other than Islam are forbidden and destroyed.
• Destruction of all evidence of non-Muslim culture, populations and symbols in country (Buddhas, houses of worship, art, etc).

The House of Islam (“peace”), dar al-Islam, includes those nations that have submitted to Islamic rule, to the soul crushing, liberty-condemning, discriminatory law of Sharia. The rest of the world in in the House of War, dar al-harb, because it does not submit to Sharia, and exists in a state of rebellion or war with the will of ‘Allah.’ No non-Muslim state or its citizens are “innocent,” and remain viable targets of war for not believing in ‘Allah.’ The Christian, Jewish, Coptic, Hindu and Zoroastrian peoples of world have suffered under subjugation for centuries. The Dhimmi-esque are forbidden to construct houses of worship or repair existing ones, economically crippled by the heavy jizya (tax), socially humiliated, legally discriminated against, criminally targeted and generally kept in a permanent state of weakness, fear and vulnerability by Islamic governments.
It should be noted that forced conversions (Egypt) and slavery (Sudan) are still reported. Homosexuals have been hung in the public square in Iran. Young girls are married to old men. Apostates are threatened with death. “Honor” killings are routine. Women are legally second-class citizens, though Muslim males insist they are “treated better” than in the West. These more obvious manifestations may distract from some less obvious ones such as the lack of intellectual inquiry in science, narrow scope of writing, all but non-existent art and music, sexual use and abuse of youth and women, and the disregard for personal fulfillment, joy and wonder. Look into the eyes of a recently married 12 year old girl to see the consequence of the moral deprivation spawned by Islam.

Beyondgone

Danzy wrote: »

The left died when it started opposing the Working Class and the Lower Middle Class, hell even the Middle Class.

It is a dead force now but carried on by its own inertia.

I wonder should "The left" be called "The academic". Or would the band be offended?

Champs-Elys?es are now partially open to the public, from place de l'Etoile to avenue Georges V.

Reddit Live Thread

BoatMad

Gringo180 wrote: »

Youve some on here that would actually go as far as internment. How stupid can some people be honestly. Look what internment did up in the north, IRA recruits multiplied over night.

The Americans have learned absolutely zero it seems too. Cominv out earlier on with more aggressive rhetoric towards Iran this time. We really have some stupid or evil people in positions of power and in the mianstream media.

Indeed, primarily because the US is largely immune from the effects of its dalliances abroad. ( 9/11 not withstanding ) Europe however gets caught in the crossfire ( and of course we have ourselves to blame in sticking our hand into the fire beside the US )

No new reports for a short while.

Once more, the Reddit Live Thread is here if you want to keep on top of reports from all over.

BoatMad

MysticMonk , if you could stop copypasta and actually have a considered thought of your own , rather then posting nonsense, wed all be fine

greencap

MysticMonk wrote: »

Unfortunately this has nothing to do with previous overseas campaigns but more to do with the % of muslims in a given area.

This might explain:
STAGE 1: INFILTRATION
Muslims begin moving to non-Muslim countries in increasing numbers and the beginning of cultural conflicts are visible, though often subtle.

• First migration wave to non-Muslim “host” country.
• Appeal for humanitarian tolerance from the host society.
• Attempts to portray Islam as a peaceful & Muslims as victims of misunderstanding and racism (even though Islam is not a ‘race’).
• High Muslim birth rate in host country increase Muslim population.
• Mosques used to spread Islam and dislike of host country & culture.
• Calls to criminalize “Islamophobia” as a hate crime.
• Threatened legal action for perceived discrimination.
• Offers of “interfaith dialogue” to indoctrinate non-Muslims.

How many nations are suffering from Islamic infiltration? One? A handful? Nearly every nation? The Islamic ‘leadership” of the Muslim Brotherhood and others wish to dissolve each nation’s sovereignty and replace it with the global imposition of Islamic sharia law. Sharia law, based on the koran, sira and hadith, condemns liberty and forbids equality and is inconsistent with the laws of all Western nations. As the author and historian Serge Trifkovic states:
“The refusal of the Western elite class to protect their nations from jihadist infiltration is the biggest betrayal in history.”
STAGE 2: CONSOLIDATION OF POWER
Muslim immigrants and host country converts continue demands for accommodation in employment, education, social services, financing and courts.

• Proselytizing increases; Establishment and Recruitment of Jihadi cells.
• Efforts to convert alienated segments of the population to Islam.
• Revisionist efforts to Islamize history.
• Efforts to destroy historic evidence that reveal true Islamism.
• Increased anti-western propaganda and psychological warfare.
• Efforts to recruit allies who share similar goals (communists, anarchists).
• Attempts to indoctrinate children to Islamist viewpoint.
• Increased efforts to intimidate, silence and eliminate non-Muslims.
• Efforts to introduce blasphemy and hate laws in order to silence critics.
• Continued focus on enlarging Muslim population by increasing Muslim births and immigration.
• Use of charities to recruit supporters and fund jihad.
• Covert efforts to bring about the destruction of host society from within.
• Development of Muslim political base in non-Muslim host society.
• Islamic Financial networks fund political growth, acquisition of land.
• Highly visible assassination of critics aimed to intimidate opposition.
• Tolerance of non-Muslims diminishes.
• Greater demands to adopt strict Islamic conduct.
• Clandestine amassing of weapons and explosives in hidden locations.
• Overt disregard/rejection of non-Muslim society’s legal system, culture.
• Efforts to undermine and destroy power base of non-Muslim religions including and especially Jews and Christians.

Is there a pattern here? Theo van Gogh is murdered in the Netherlands for ‘insulting’ Islam; the Organization of the Islamic Conference demands ‘anti-blasphemy’ laws through the United Nations; France is set afire regularly by ‘youths’ (read Muslims); the rise of (dis-) honor killings…holocaust denial…anti-Semitism…deception re the tenets of Islam; hatred toward Christians and Jews and Hindus and Buddhists. The pattern for all to see is the rise of Islamic intolerance and the covert/cultural jihad to remake host societies into sharia-compliant worlds – to remove host sovereignty and replace it with Islamic sharia law. Sharia law that condemns earthly liberty and individual freedom, that forbids equality among faiths and between the sexes, that rejects the concept of nations outside the global house of Islam, that of dar al-Islam.
STAGE 3: OPEN WAR w/ LEADERSHIP & CULTURE
Open violence to impose Sharia law and associated cultural restrictions; rejection of host government, subjugation of other religions and customs.

• Intentional efforts to undermine the host government & culture.
• Acts of barbarity to intimidate citizens and foster fear and submission.
• Open and covert efforts to cause economic collapse of the society.
• All opposition is challenged and either eradicated or silenced.
• Mass execution of non-Muslims.
• Widespread ethnic cleansing by Islamic militias.
• Rejection and defiance of host society secular laws or culture.
• Murder of “moderate” Muslim intellectuals who don’t support Islamization.
• Destruction of churches, synagogues and other non-Muslim institutions.
• Women are restricted further in accordance with Sharia law.
• Large-scale destruction of population, assassinations, bombings.
• Toppling of government and usurpation of political power.
• Imposition of Sharia law

The website www.thereligionofpeace.com keeps track of the number of violent jihad attacks as best it can. The site lists more than 14,000 attacks since September 2001. It is worth a visit. What is occurring, however, that is likely inestimable are events where muslims are bullied by other muslims for not being “muslim enough,” where non-Muslims are intimidated into doing or not doing what they desire, where remnant populations are in a death spiral simply for being non-muslim in a predominantly muslim area. Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists Animists and Atheists meet with death, property destruction or confiscation, forced conversion, rape, excessive taxation (the jizya), enslavement, riotous mobs and various other forms of islam (in-) justice at the hands of muslims in Sudan, Philippines, Kenya, Malaysia, India, etc. And let us not forget ‘death to Apostates’ the world over.
STAGE 4: Totalitarian ISLAMIC “THEOCRACY”
Islam becomes the only religious-political-judicial-cultural ideology.

• Sharia becomes the “law of the land.
• All non-Islamic human rights cancelled.
• Enslavement and genocide of non-Muslim population.
• Freedom of speech and the press eradicated.
• All religions other than Islam are forbidden and destroyed.
• Destruction of all evidence of non-Muslim culture, populations and symbols in country (Buddhas, houses of worship, art, etc).

The House of Islam (“peace”), dar al-Islam, includes those nations that have submitted to Islamic rule, to the soul crushing, liberty-condemning, discriminatory law of Sharia. The rest of the world in in the House of War, dar al-harb, because it does not submit to Sharia, and exists in a state of rebellion or war with the will of ‘Allah.’ No non-Muslim state or its citizens are “innocent,” and remain viable targets of war for not believing in ‘Allah.’ The Christian, Jewish, Coptic, Hindu and Zoroastrian peoples of world have suffered under subjugation for centuries. The Dhimmi-esque are forbidden to construct houses of worship or repair existing ones, economically crippled by the heavy jizya (tax), socially humiliated, legally discriminated against, criminally targeted and generally kept in a permanent state of weakness, fear and vulnerability by Islamic governments.
It should be noted that forced conversions (Egypt) and slavery (Sudan) are still reported. Homosexuals have been hung in the public square in Iran. Young girls are married to old men. Apostates are threatened with death. “Honor” killings are routine. Women are legally second-class citizens, though Muslim males insist they are “treated better” than in the West. These more obvious manifestations may distract from some less obvious ones such as the lack of intellectual inquiry in science, narrow scope of writing, all but non-existent art and music, sexual use and abuse of youth and women, and the disregard for personal fulfillment, joy and wonder. Look into the eyes of a recently married 12 year old girl to see the consequence of the moral deprivation spawned by Islam.

And the answer to this is what?

The_Kew_Tour

CoolHandBandit wrote: »

In the space of just over four weeks Europe has had 4 terrorist attacks.

Westminster, Uk.
Stockholm, Sweden.
Borussia Dortmund, Germany.
Paris, France.

This is the reality now for Europe. Well done Merkel and Co.

And some think it won't happen here

Beyondgone

greencap wrote: »

And the answer to this is what?

Walls. Lots of walls. Pretty much.

WinnyThePoo

Beyondgone wrote: »

Walls. Lots of walls. Pretty much.

If only real life was age of empires.

BoatMad

greencap wrote: »

And the answer to this is what?

a limit to the amount of characters that you can post ??:D

Dublin Pintman

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

If only real life was age of empires.

I remember how the Muslims were painted as the good guys in that game. Not even joking.

CoolHandBandit

They used to call Beirut the Paris of the Middle East. Now Paris is the Beirut of the West.

BoatMad

Beyondgone wrote: »

Walls. Lots of walls. Pretty much.

which tends to stimulate the production of ladders

BoatMad

BoatMad wrote: »

MysticMonk , if you could stop copypasta and actually have a considered thought of your own , rather then posting nonsense, wed all be fine

Shush he's too busy placing bets online.

Thankfully some good news - the second police officer has been confirmed to not have his life in danger any more.

Beyondgone

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

If only real life was age of empires.

Big walls make for quiet neighbours. Quiet is good enough for me. I can suffer on without "happy neighbours". Quiet will do.

Dublin Pintman

CoolHandBandit wrote: »

They used to call Beirut the Paris of the Middle East. Now Paris is the Beirut of the West.

Could be worse. Malmo is now the Mogadishu of the west.

Mountainsandh

BoatMad wrote: »

I would argue that in other too maintain a free and open lifestyle , we are in fact going to have to accept the fact that such a lifestyle;e leaves us vulnerable to sections that wish too exploit that " openness ". Turning us int a police state is not the solution to protect us from people " that want to turn us into a police state "

Secondly we need to look seriously at the underlying issues, both in the Wests involvement in the ME, and in the decades of ghettoisation that has been common place in Europe ( including Sweden ) . This issue didnt start " from nowhere " .

Bull****.

On your first point : accepting that your lifestyle leaves you vulnerable to killers is in fact also satisfying the killers' intentions. The jihad action aims to kill infidels, and force states into submission to their regime. If they kill enough infidels, they will obviously in time achieve their purpose.

I agree in that I do not think the solution to the problem is to restrict our freedoms more, I think the solution is to restrict their freedom.

That is, a temporary but blanket stop to immigration, deportations for immigrant and double nationality criminals, and much more efficient sanctions and deportations for hate preachers.
The toughest is of course the blanket immigration ban, it involves refusing access to innocent people. This is the crux of the matter imo, and the most heart breaking aspect. However, let's remember that more innocent Muslims also live in France and elsewhere in Europe currently, and that they also are targets to extremists. If you cannot protect all, protect the few that you can.

On your second point : "gettoisation" : no.
I grew up in France.
Everything was going good until terrorism and extremism came along.
In fact, it's not so much my generation (40s) that is getting radicalized, and I would argue that the Muslims in their 40s, 50s, and 60s currently in France are the best examples of integration.

30s, 20s and under seem to radicalize in greater numbers.
Extremism reaching into France and targeting these youngsters is what resulted in such a disastrous situation.

Yes of course, the suburbs and poverty lead to revolt, riots, and discontentment. The attacks we are currently witnessing are not revolts, riots, and discontentment against the government.
The boys from the suburbs who burn cars and throw stones at the police ? They wouldn't kill little girls, grannies and mums and dads watching the fireworks.


Extreme islamists do.

WinnyThePoo

Dublin Pintman wrote: »

I remember how the Muslims were painted as the good guys in that game. Not even joking.

eh........

Don't think you played the same game as i did.