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Suspected Terrorist Attack in Paris

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 109 ✭✭Dublin Pintman


    greencap wrote: »
    lol. knew it was too good to be true.

    i wish you were in control for one day.

    so you could see the critics sit back on their fat moaning unproductive arses, propose nothing, solve nothing, and complain about everything.

    Ok, make me dictator, I'm all for it. And I promise to give power back after one day. You have a my word on that.

    Let's just say I'm not a fan off the Angela 'just **** my country up' Merkel types.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,186 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    I'd be quite happy to see the EU go. I don't want to be ruled by bureaucrats in Brussels. And I'm delighted countries in the east are standing up to Merkel and her cronies.
    I would not not like to see the EU go, what I would like to see is an independent EU that would represent the citizens of Europe and not blindly following the USA's policy of perpetual war and chaos in the Middle East.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,700 ✭✭✭Mountainsandh


    What do you suggest as a solution.
    Less time doing the 'everyone but me is a candle lighting twitter sissy' act, and more time just coming out with succinct proposals might serve you better.
    so you could see the critics sit back on their fat moaning unproductive arses, propose nothing, solve nothing, and complain about everything

    Greencap I was trying to locate the post with your proposals, but I think I must be looking in the wrong places :confused:

    There's this one, but my sarcas-o-meter tells me it may not be a real proposal :
    greencap wrote: »
    What we need to do is change Europes political landscape in response to individual terror acts.

    Divide up into smaller areas, get rid of teamwork, and elect extreme solutions on the basis of fear.

    If we just reduce our liberties a bit then we reduce theirs too.

    Thats certain to stop it.

    Then there's these replies, maybe there was some proposal that you deleted afterwards ?
    greencap wrote: »
    ffs.
    greencap wrote: »
    never mind.

    Then there's this one, but again ... hhmm... I think it's sarcasm. Maybe it isn't ?
    greencap wrote: »
    Carnage which can be stopped if we just break up the worlds biggest trading bloc and geographical union.
    Sure there might be another global recession, and the lives of Europeans would be irreparably damaged, our personal and professional opportunities flushed and our negotiation power with the US, Russia, China reduced to that of individual ants, but at least there'd never be another terrorist incident in Europe again. 100% guaranteed.
    Break up the EU.
    Putin, Trump, the far right, and the British tabloids can't all be wrong.

    As I said, it's probably just me, I just couldn't find the post !


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,009 ✭✭✭conorhal


    inforfun wrote: »
    Csax0RyXgAEc2AR.jpg

    Migrant neighbourhood in Zaandam.
    98% of The Netherlands has access to cable(tv).

    There is really no starker image to my mind of the failure of integration than that. It says it all really, they may live in one culture, but are entirely untouched by it. They exist in another and the TV they watch, the news and media they consume, the communities they live in and the people they marry, all enforces a separation from the indigenous culture they inhabit.
    Add to that a religion that is ideologically supremacist and advocates violence against non adherents and trouble can be expected.
    The West has been more than accommodating to Islam, it has got nothing back but a slap in the face, again and again. I don't mind turning the other cheek once, but we're rapidly running out of cheeks to turn so I really hope the morons in charge wake up before we get a shiv in the chest.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    conorhal wrote: »
    There is really no starker image to my mind of the failure of integration than that. It says it all really, they may live in one culture, but are entirely untouched by it. They exist entirely in another.

    I don't really get it? :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,211 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Well, you've shown that you don't follow Islam but are ultra right.

    Lol

    I'd be well to the left on most issues, including on dogmatic and aggressive religions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,862 ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    I don't really get it? :o

    Every single home in Dutch cities has cable connection.
    You only need a satellite dish if you only are interested in what Erdogan or the likes have to say.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,009 ✭✭✭conorhal


    I don't really get it? :o

    I edited my quote because reading it, uh, neither did I.. English eh?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    I don't really get it? :o

    They're offended that people who move abroad continue to watch TV from where they came from. I'm sure they're equally offended by those scoundrel Paddy's abroad who VPN RTE player, don't bother watching TV in the countries they have moved to, watch the likes of Love/Hate, Father Ted, Graham Norton, The Late Late Show, etc over the equivalents of where they have moved to, and are disgusting enough to record the Toy Show and watch it after work or over that weekend.

    Just such rotten, horrendous behaviour I am sure you can agree.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,009 ✭✭✭conorhal


    inforfun wrote: »
    Every single home in Dutch cities has cable connection.
    You only need a satellite dish if you only are interested in what Erdogan or the likes have to say.

    Exactly that/ I'm sure you'll get replies saying 'well they want to watch the news and soaps from home, so what?'. But that entirely misses the point, which is that you have entire communities that are not engaged with the culture, politics, media or all the normative influences that makes people part of a society. They are living in the Netherlands, but for all intents and purposes, they might as well be living in a particularly damp and cold part of Afghanistan, and that does not bode well for a cohesive society in that country.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    Billy86 wrote: »
    They're offended that people who move abroad continue to watch TV from where they came from. I'm sure they're equally offended by those scoundrel Paddy's abroad who VPN RTE player, don't bother watching TV in the countries they have moved to, watch the likes of Love/Hate, Father Ted, Graham Norton, The Late Late Show, etc over the equivalents of where they have moved to, and are disgusting enough to record the Toy Show and watch it after work or over that weekend.

    Just such rotten, horrendous behaviour I am sure you can agree.

    It depends on whether it's their country's version of Father Ted, or, as the poster said, Erdogan's speeches...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,211 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    It depends on whether it's their country's version of Father Ted, or, as the poster said, Erdogan's speeches...

    The mainstream of most of these countries would be well to the right of Franco's Spain,very far to the right of it in fact.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,009 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Billy86 wrote: »
    They're offended that people who move abroad continue to watch TV from where they came from. I'm sure they're equally offended by those scoundrel Paddy's abroad who VPN RTE player, don't bother watching TV in the countries they have moved to, watch the likes of Love/Hate, Father Ted, Graham Norton, The Late Late Show, etc over the equivalents of where they have moved to, and are disgusting enough to record the Toy Show and watch it after work or over that weekend.

    Just such rotten, horrendous behaviour I am sure you can agree.

    Well you can see my response to that above.

    And something tells me that if I asked your opinion of blokes wandering around Bondi Junction in GAA jerseys who spent all day drinking Guinness in the Cock and Bull with their gap year mates you'd have a very different opinion.

    Now imagine those blokes as a permanent subset of your society with a violent supremacist ideology and you might just understand why people are worried. I've never heard the Late Late Toy Show suggest you should kill the kaffir....

    When did you last see this on the Den?



    You're drawing an utterly false equivalence, and the sad part is, you know that.

    .


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    Danzy wrote: »
    The mainstream of most of these countries would be well to the right of Franco's Spain,very far to the right of it in fact.

    Erdogan recently made minatory statements about the million or so Turks who living in the EU but whose loyalties are to him. So I think the poster made a fair point, above.

    You also make a good point..tv from home might be a very different influence.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭SILVAMAN


    Erdogan recently made minatory statements about the million or so Turks who living in the EU but whose loyalties are to him. So I think the poster made a fair point, above.

    Erdogan...racist Imam. Dealt with ISIS because the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Claims that Muslims discovered America:confused:Tried to ban alcohol on Turkish Airlines. Wants his son-in-law to build a shopping centre and military barracks in Gezi park. On his way to turning Turkey into another Iran.
    But I reckon if he's not shot soon(and after he begins to hang the people he claims tried to overthrow him he most likely will get to visit his 72 virgins in heaven) Putin will rip Turkey apart.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,862 ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    Erdogan recently made minatory statements about the million or so Turks who living in the EU but whose loyalties are to him. So I think the poster made a fair point, above.

    You also make a good point..tv from home might be a very different influence.

    Turkish living in The Netherlands voted 71% yes in that referendum a week ago. Belgian Turks 75, Austrian 73.

    In the UK only 20% for whatever reason.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    SILVAMAN wrote: »
    Erdogan...racist Imam. Dealt with ISIS because the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Claims that Muslims discovered America:confused:Tried to ban alcohol on Turkish Airlines. Wants his son-in-law to build a shopping centre and military barracks in Gezi park. On his way to turning Turkey into another Iran.
    But I reckon if he's not shot soon(and after he begins to hang the people he claims tried to overthrow him he most likely will get to visit his 72 virgins in heaven) Putin will rip Turkey apart.


    Yes. Turkey's as good as gone.

    I'm still pondering the idea of an Islamic Father Ted :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭soups05


    Billy86 wrote: »
    They're offended that people who move abroad continue to watch TV from where they came from. I'm sure they're equally offended by those scoundrel Paddy's abroad who VPN RTE player, don't bother watching TV in the countries they have moved to, watch the likes of Love/Hate, Father Ted, Graham Norton, The Late Late Show, etc over the equivalents of where they have moved to, and are disgusting enough to record the Toy Show and watch it after work or over that weekend.

    Just such rotten, horrendous behaviour I am sure you can agree.

    oh sweet baby jebus, please tell me that no actually does this. with the exception of norton the rest is utter ****e that does not belong on the airwaves ffs. tell me no one is daft enough to move aboard and still watch it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,700 ✭✭✭Mountainsandh


    The policeman killed yesterday was Xavier J. He was 37 years old, and had a good few years experience in the Paris Unit. He is mourned by his husband, family, and friends, and the Flag LGBT community of French police of which he was a member.
    https://www.facebook.com/flagasso/photos/a.378670842212199.90455.238920919520526/1373730696039537/?type=3


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,211 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    inforfun wrote: »
    Turkish living in The Netherlands voted 71% yes in that referendum a week ago. Belgian Turks 75, Austrian 73.

    In the UK only 20% for whatever reason.

    The Turks in Britain come largely from Cyprus, different to Anatolia.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    It depends on whether it's their country's version of Father Ted, or, as the poster said, Erdogan's speeches...
    They're more likely watching soaps.

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-worlds-second-highest-tv-series-exporter-after-us.aspx?pageID=238&nID=73478&NewsCatID=345
    Turkey is globally the second highest exporter of TV series abroad after the United States, and it plans to reach $2 billion from exporting cultural products by 2023, Turkish Exporters Assembly (TİM) head Mehmet Büyükekşi said on Oct. 25.

    In 2012, Turkish soap opera exports were worth around $200 million, up from just $10,000 in 2004, according to TİM data.

    One particular success story is “The Magnificent Century,” which focuses on the life of the 16th century Ottoman Sultan Süleyman the Magnificent. The show proved hugely popular both in Turkey and internationally, being broadcast in 43 countries and watched by over 200 million people.

    I looked up the trailer and it well, does not exactly look a prime suspect to be on the series reminder for your average jihadist threat...



    Apparently some of the other most popular TV shows from the world's second largest exporter, and again... not exactly what hardline Islamic extremism, now are they?









  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    soups05 wrote: »
    oh sweet baby jebus, please tell me that no actually does this. with the exception of norton the rest is utter ****e that does not belong on the airwaves ffs. tell me no one is daft enough to move aboard and still watch it

    A lot do. Toy Show can be a bit of craic for homesickness some feel around Christmas (and the Canadians thought it was a great idea funny enough)... but it goes all the way down to the likes of Coronation Street, Eastenders and, yep, Fair City. :eek: :o:(


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    Billy86 wrote: »
    They're more likely watching soaps.

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-worlds-second-highest-tv-series-exporter-after-us.aspx?pageID=238&nID=73478&NewsCatID=345


    I looked up the trailer and it well, does not exactly look a prime suspect to be on the series reminder for your average jihadist threat...



    Apparently some of the other most popular TV shows from the world's second largest exporter, and again... not exactly what hardline Islamic extremism, now are they?









    Some of them look interesting :D I was going to check but I was too tired at that point. I don't imagine they're all sitting rigidly and staring fixedly at Erdogan on the screen, anyway. Although I'm sure jihadists have their vices, maybe soap operas do it for some. The mustachiod fella looks a bit sleazy, did you see the smirk on him when Dila held his hand?
    And there was an attempted truck attack at around 1:08! I think it was something to do with inheritance money, though.
    I'm going to watch these someday. Reminds me of the Mexicans Telenovelas.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,862 ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    There are Turkish channels in the basic subscription package of Ziggo. All yours for €18.70 a month.
    So yes, put a satellite dish on your balcony for soaps.

    Funny though that when i was breaking my back carrying 26'' Sony Trinitrons to the 4th floor, soaps werent the thing that was on when leaving.

    But Billy googled "turkish soaps" so that is what they are watching.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 264 ✭✭C Montgomery Gurns II


    soups05 wrote: »
    oh sweet baby jebus, please tell me that no actually does this. with the exception of norton the rest is utter ****e that does not belong on the airwaves ffs. tell me no one is daft enough to move aboard and still watch it

    Father Ted is ****e?

    And I thought ISIS had backward views that don't belong in this country.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    inforfun wrote: »
    There are Turkish channels in the basic subscription package of Ziggo. All yours for €18.70 a month.
    So yes, put a satellite dish on your balcony for soaps.

    Funny though that when i was breaking my back carrying 26'' Sony Trinitrons to the 4th floor, soaps werent the thing that was on when leaving.

    But Billy googled "turkish soaps" so that is what they are watching.
    Actually I stumbled upon it a while ago while doing something differently relating to global box offices, but don't let that get in the way of preconceived notions. These channels are not on the basic package and cost €8 extra to bring the cost to €25/mo - hardly breaking the bank, but why pay more for less when you can access many more channels for less would come into play too. Do these channels offer all of the popular Turkish shows? Do they cover local Turkish news, sports, etc? Does Ziggo offer Moroccan channels? Indonesian? Surinamese? And so on and so on.

    Gas though that you are literally one of the people installing these dishes that you then give out so much about! :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,611 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    conorhal wrote: »
    There is really no starker image to my mind of the failure of integration than that.

    Satellite Dishes? :confused:

    Hyperbole on Super Crack!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Some of them look interesting :D I was going to check but I was too tired at that point. I don't imagine they're all sitting rigidly and staring fixedly at Erdogan on the screen, anyway. Although I'm sure jihadists have their vices, maybe soap operas do it for some. The mustachiod fella looks a bit sleazy, did you see the smirk on him when Dila held his hand?
    And there was an attempted truck attack at around 1:08! I think it was something to do with inheritance money, though.
    I'm going to watch these someday. Reminds me of the Mexicans Telenovelas.

    It's a funny mix, some really great landscape shots in there but the interior stuff looks a bit dodgy and the acting largely hammy as feck. :p You've a good point on the telenovela shout actually (and the first one really seemed to be ripping off some of looks of the warmer climate stuff from Game of Thrones)!

    I'm sure you do get the odd person using it to watch some dodgy stuff of course, but just find it funny how some people seem eager to convince themselves they're all religiously (bad pun!) watching Hamas TV on the sly because it fits into the stereotype they have built in their heads of people from the middle east. Truth is it's far more mundane than that by and large, just people watching the same comfort TV that they're used to because it, well, makes them feel comfortable.

    All that said... would it not be easier to just use the internet like I did for football internationals, six nations, etc!?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,211 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Boggles wrote: »
    Satellite Dishes? :confused:

    Hyperbole on Super Crack!

    If you knew the context, in the Netherlanda it has become representative of communities that do not integrate, that live and work or stay at home among themselves, speaking arabic, socialize among themselves, television is largely from home.

    After the murder of Theo Van Gogh there was a show on integration, there were entire areas where people lived in separate worlds, where families lived for years without hearing Dutch.

    The next generation was closer to a young adult in Morocco in outlook than a Dutchie.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,700 ✭✭✭Mountainsandh


    Billy86 wrote: »
    It's a funny mix, some really great landscape shots in there but the interior stuff looks a bit dodgy and the acting largely hammy as feck. :p You've a good point on the telenovela shout actually (and the first one really seemed to be ripping off some of looks of the warmer climate stuff from Game of Thrones)!

    I'm sure you do get the odd person using it to watch some dodgy stuff of course, but just find it funny how some people seem eager to convince themselves they're all religiously (bad pun!) watching Hamas TV on the sly because it fits into the stereotype they have built in their heads of people from the middle east. Truth is it's far more mundane than that by and large, just people watching the same comfort TV that they're used to because it, well, makes them feel comfortable.

    All that said... would it not be easier to just use the internet like I did for football internationals, six nations, etc!?

    If it's like the French channels, you can't watch them on the internet from abroad. Royalties sort of stuff. Except the news and the odd documentary or tv gameshow. :(:mad:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,611 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Danzy wrote: »
    If you knew the context.

    Have a day off for FFS.

    It was Kay Burleyesque hyperbole.

    :rolleyes:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 57 ✭✭Manny89


    A MAN CARRYING a knife was arrested today at Paris’s Gare du Nord station, causing brief panic days after the jihadist killing of a policeman, police sources said amid pre-election jitters.
    “An individual carrying a knife came into the station, was pointed out to a police patrol which immediately arrested him,” one of the sources said.

    No-one was injured in the incident.

    Another police source added that the arrest caused a “panic movement” with a number of travellers abandoning their luggage in the middle of the station.

    The incident came two days after the Champs Elysees killing of a policeman and one day before France goes to the polls in the first round of close-run presidential elections.

    France remains under a state of emergency following a string of attacks that have claimed 239 lives since 2015.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/panic-paris-gare-3353405-Apr2017/

    Asylum bit of an overreaction but understandable in the current climate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,862 ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Actually I stumbled upon it a while ago while doing something differently relating to global box offices, but don't let that get in the way of preconceived notions. These channels are not on the basic package and cost ?8 extra to bring the cost to ?25/mo - hardly breaking the bank, but why pay more for less when you can access many more channels for less would come into play too. Do these channels offer all of the popular Turkish shows? Do they cover local Turkish news, sports, etc? Does Ziggo offer Moroccan channels? Indonesian? Surinamese? And so on and so on.

    Gas though that you are literally one of the people installing these dishes that you then give out so much about! :pac:

    There you you again, drawing wrong conclusions.
    If you had paid attention, you had read that i left The Netherlands 15 years ago.
    I am hardly commuting from Ireland to The Netherlands to install satellite dishes for Turks now, am i?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    inforfun wrote: »
    There you you again, drawing wrong conclusions.
    If you had paid attention, you had read that i left The Netherlands 15 years ago.
    I am hardly commuting from Ireland to The Netherlands to install satellite dishes for Turks now, am i?
    So now you're saying you never actually put in these satellite dishes that you're giving out about, which you earlier said you had put in?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,540 ✭✭✭Stigura


    Reuters has reported -



    Also Another source: The attacker previously intended to kill police officers but was released by the justice because of too little evidence

    Got their f**king evidence now, haven't they? :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭Beyondgone


    Billy86 wrote: »
    So now you're saying you never actually put in these satellite dishes that you're giving out about, which you earlier said you had put in?

    Eh? Did he not say he was delivering tellies? :confused:


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    Greencap I was trying to locate the post with your proposals, but I think I must be looking in the wrong places :confused:

    There's this one, but my sarcas-o-meter tells me it may not be a real proposal :


    Then there's these replies, maybe there was some proposal that you deleted afterwards ?




    Then there's this one, but again ... hhmm... I think it's sarcasm. Maybe it isn't ?



    As I said, it's probably just me, I just couldn't find the post !


    The problem for you though is that I wasn't complaining about the Paris situation, I wasn't claiming to have a solution to the title thread, the subject in question.

    Rather I was complaining about someone constantly complaining.


    And yes, I did offer at least some kind of suggestion; that the complainer in question be placed in charge, so that he would have the opportunity to ameliorate the situation, to show us how its done.

    YOU however, complained about me complaining, without offering any kind of suggestion yourself, to anything.

    I at least offered a solution to a situation, albeit not the situation in the title thread.

    You just complained about someone complaining about someone complaining.

    You offered nothing, while saying I offered nothing.

    Hello pot, meet kettle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,700 ✭✭✭Mountainsandh


    greencap wrote: »
    The problem for you though is that I wasn't complaining about the Paris situation, I wasn't claiming to have a solution to the title thread, the subject in question.

    Rather I was complaining about someone constantly complaining.


    And yes, I did offer at least some kind of suggestion; that the complainer in question be placed in charge, so that he would have the opportunity to ameliorate the situation, to show us how its done.

    YOU however, complained about me complaining, without offering any kind of suggestion yourself, to anything.

    I at least offered a solution to a situation, albeit not the situation in the title thread.

    You just complained about someone complaining about someone complaining.

    You offered nothing, while saying I offered nothing.

    Hello pot, meet kettle.

    Ah but now you're after doing it twice.

    It's easy to fire away narky one liners, and ask posters for suggestions, while you don't even bother making a single one on the topic.
    Your "suggestion" was just another narky comment.

    For reference, the post that sparked my post, and that you call a "suggestion" :
    greencap wrote: »
    lol. knew it was too good to be true.

    i wish you were in control for one day.

    so you could see the critics sit back on their fat moaning unproductive arses, propose nothing, solve nothing, and complain about everything.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭Beyondgone


    There's little point replying to any of these threads. For some unknown reason, it's become the new Sinn fein - the media cannot report on any related activity and Boards doesn't want to know. There's a flurry of bans, closed threads and deleted posts. You'd get on better discussing why the Travvelers don't like paying tax. Odd.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    Ah but now you're after doing it twice.

    It's easy to fire away narky one liners, and ask posters for suggestions, while you don't even bother making a single one on the topic.
    Your "suggestion" was just another narky comment.

    For reference, the post that sparked my post, and that you call a "suggestion" :

    you're being one of those things.

    stop being such a one of those things.

    you non irony understanding one of those things.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,898 ✭✭✭✭Ken.


    Mod-I think were about done here.


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