How do people survive on wages close to minimum wage?

Kev1001

Hollister11 wrote: »

Computer Science, I'm specialising in softwared development.

When you finish college you will probably end up in a graduate program. You will earn around €25k a year for the first couple of years. Quick google search tells me that a Senior Software Engineer earns €60k a year.

€80k might be more than 5 years away.... but it isn't out of reach long term. You'll get there.

Barry Badrinath

Hollister11 wrote: »

I agree. I'm not exactly helping my case with my grammer. I'm on my phone though tbh.

Speling is onle importint when ewe du owt ur kurikulem vetay.

Dnt bee mindin dem luv.

Xox

s4uv3

Hollister11 wrote: »

I'm on my phone though tbh.

No excuse. It's as easy to spell correctly using a phone as using a keyboard. Though when you get your 80k job you can pay someone to do all your typing for you!

wakka12

georgiecasey wrote: »

i hate this attitude. college isn't for everyone and you're not guaranteed a good job afterwards at all these days. everyone has a degree now.

Thats a poor attitude. Even if its common to have a degree now doesn't mean you shouldn't still try to get one, its an advantage when looking for a job. Also not all degrees are made equal.

Armchair Andy

drunkmonkey wrote:

Who needs money when you have a bag of yokes.

That explains the gay baboon Google search!!


(I thought it was brilliant btw:-))

Yourself isit

Kev1001 wrote: »

When you finish college you will probably end up in a graduate program. You will earn around €25k a year for the first couple of years. Quick google search tells me that a Senior Software Engineer earns €60k a year.

€80k might be more than 5 years away.... but it isn't out of reach long term. You'll get there.

Oh you can see plenty earning more than that but it depends on the specialisation.

thierry14

Zascar wrote: »

Someone should start a new thread without the spelling mistakes. Is this about living on minimum wage or Op's potential wage?

Or about OP showing some humility!

Actually finishing his degree, getting his 80k salary before looking down and judging people on minimum wage

Presuming they are uneducated

OP you could be on minimum wage too after college, many are

Beyondgone

davo10 wrote: »

Are you conducting an interview now?

You're always interviewing, always selling davo10. It's the 21st century. Connected, turned on, wired. Be there or be square. Message me, we can do brunch.

Or some such crap.

apieceofcake

The thread title makes no sense.

snowflaker

Hollister11 wrote: »

So you hate ambitious people? Unless you get a degree, or a trade your not building a career for yourself.

The only ambition I like is Blonde Ambition. Good Album.

Money=!ambition

snowflaker

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

Speling is onle importint when ewe du owt ur kurikulem vetay.

Dnt bee mindin dem luv.

Xox

u ok hun, wha wud day no anal!

MyPeopleDrankTheSoup

Hollister11 wrote: »

So you hate ambitious people? Unless you get a degree, or a trade your not building a career for yourself.

i don't hate anyone, i hate the attitude! you're doing computer science, fair play but not everyone has the aptitude. just worry about yourself!

do you plan on leaving Ireland to get your €80k salary? what field do you plan on working in?

4ensic15

s4uv3 wrote: »

What the fcuk does the title mean? Or is it my basic level degree that's holding me back from understanding it?

It is the lack of lateral thinking caused by a stifling education which values rote learning and regurgitation.

snowflaker

apieceofcake wrote: »

The thread title makes no sense.

You make no sense!

joeguevara

Hollister11 wrote: »

I agree. I'm not exactly helping my case with my grammer. I'm on my phone though tbh.

Grammar

drunkmonkey

thierry14 wrote: »

Or about OP showing some humility!

Actually finishing his degree, getting his 80k salary before looking down and judging people on minimum wage

Presuming they are uneducated

OP you could be on minimum wage too after college, many are

He's missed the bit where the chap in centra has earned 180k while he's reading books and dreaming what he'll do 5yrs after college when he's got 80k before tax.

snowflaker

joeguevara wrote: »

Grammar

must be a Nokia...

lmimmfn

Hollister11 wrote: »

Computer Science, I'm specialising in softwared development.

Completely unrealistic for 80k after 5 years, I'm in the industry 20 years and 120k would most likely be the max I would get in Dublin with Big Data experience etc. etc. maybe with some extra perks, car, shares etc.

Just saying, I got into software dev because I love it and still do after 20 years, long hours though, you need to like it

snowflaker

drunkmonkey wrote: »

He's missed the bit where the chap in centra has earned 180k while he's reading books and dreaming what he'll do 5yrs after college when he's got 80k before tax.

the guy in Centra makes 80k selling dodgy yokes to gullible students....

endacl

georgiecasey wrote: »

i hate this attitude. college isn't for everyone and you're not guaranteed a good job afterwards at all these days. everyone has a degree now.

A degree is the new leaving cert.

jimmycrackcorm

thierry14 wrote: »

Try 35-45k if your lucky

It's all about certification

Certifications are so 2010, It's all about your public GitHub now.

If someone thinks he will bet getting 80k after 5 years then he's underestimating as the effort to get that would be the same as being a millionaire on paper.

Armchair Andy

snowflaker wrote:

the guy in Centra makes 80k selling dodgy yokes to gullible students....

The beauty of it is that's before AND after taxðŸ˜ðŸ˜

Balmed Out

thierry14 wrote: »

Try 35-45k if your lucky

Senior software engineers are struggling to get 80k with certifications galore

Degree doesn't mean **** in software development

It's all about certification

You'll put the real work in then

Also entrepreneurialism and luck. Over 15 years out of computer science degree and one lad is worth a fortune through his own business and another while not stinking rich is very well off but that was initially through luck in getting work experience in a company he knew very little about and then specializing in a very niche area. None of my actual college friends are on that kind of money.

boardie100

lmimmfn wrote: »

Completely unrealistic for 80k after 5 years, I'm in the industry 20 years and 120k would most likely be the max I would get in Dublin with Big Data experience etc. etc. maybe with some extra perks, car, shares etc.

Just saying, I got into software dev because I love it and still do after 20 years, long hours though, you need to like it

120k ! contracting right?...

apieceofcake

snowflaker wrote:

You make no sense!

I make perfect sense. You're up too late snowflaker

endacl

Hollister11 wrote: »

Fecking Phone.

:pac:

snowflaker

endacl wrote: »

A degree is the new leaving cert.

a red honour and 4 passes!

circadian

I admire your optimism for €80k after 5 years as a software dev. You'll need to specialise and be exceptionally amazing at it to get that return.

Or inflation, who knows?

I'm curious, what language/field would you specialise in? Big Data is where the money is at despite a large number of companies having no idea what they could use the information for. Solve that problem and you'll be wiping your arse with rolls of €100 notes.

annettea

I'm on minimum wage, have a college degree , also single mum with childcare and house expenses. Surviving just about but is achievable.

Avatar MIA

I'm on >€100k per annum, and I'd burn you all on this thread to be 21 again and on €25k per annum. ALL of you. ALL OF YOU.

lmimmfn

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Certifications are so 2010, It's all about your public GitHub now.

If someone thinks he will bet getting 80k after 5 years then he's underestimating as the effort to get that would be the same as being a millionaire on paper.

Agree with this, certs are junk and a money scam by Oracle/M$/Cisco etc. as they're expensive and you have to redo them every few years.

Github/apache project committers are generically the current best to have

Gringo180

The minmum wage is a disgrace. Clear just over 350 after tax. Hoe on earth can one survive on that especially in a city like Dublin. The tax payer yet again foots the bill with schemes like FIS instead of employers paying there workers a living wage.

snowflaker

apieceofcake wrote: »

I make perfect sense. You're up too late snowflaker

Should be asleep! :eek:

snowflaker

Gringo180 wrote: »

The minmum wage is a disgrace. Clear just over 350 after tax. Hoe on earth can one survive on that especially in a city like Dublin. The tax payer yet again foots the bill with schemes like FIS instead of employers paying there workers a living wage.

Hoe? Its a disgrace Joe! Useless garden equipment!

Beyondgone

circadian wrote: »

I admire your optimism for €80k after 5 years as a software dev. You'll need to specialise and be exceptionally amazing at it to get that return.

Or inflation, who knows?

I'm curious, what language/field would you specialise in? Big Data is where the money is at despite a large number of companies having no idea what they could use the information for. Solve that problem and you'll be wiping your arse with rolls of €100 notes.

Not English anyway.

Gringo180

snowflaker wrote: »

Hoe? Its a disgrace Joe! Useless garden equipment!

What?

snowflaker

Avatar MIA wrote: »

I'm on >€100k per annum, and I'd burn you all on this thread to be 21 again and on €25k per annum. ALL of you. ALL OF YOU.

You can't buy youth I'm afraid, unless you can clone dead foetus cells and use them to regenerate your own body...

Avatar MIA

Gringo180 wrote: »

The minmum wage is a disgrace.

Yeah, everyone should be on €80k per annum. Problem solved. Why hasn't anyone ever thought of this before.

is this username available

80k is possible after 5 years if you get into the right company after graduation, build experience and go contracting. Need to really enjoy the job, keep learning and be willing to put in the hours.

snowflaker

Gringo180 wrote: »

What?

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Avatar MIA

snowflaker wrote: »

You can't buy youth I'm afraid, unless you can clone dead foetus cells and use them to regenerate your own body...

So, you're saying there's a chance

lmimmfn

Gringo180 wrote: »

The minmum wage is a disgrace. Clear just over 350 after tax. Hoe on earth can one survive on that especially in a city like Dublin. The tax payer yet again foots the bill with schemes like FIS instead of employers paying there workers a living wage.

Realistically noone should be on min wage long term, I'm not trying to be an ass and i know people unfortunately have to survive on it but education is relatively cheap in Ireland and we shouldn't have to depend on min wage.

Gringo180

Avatar MIA wrote: »

Yeah, everyone should be on €80k per annum. Problem solved. Why hasn't anyone ever thought of this before.

Yeah because thats the only alternative. There is a living wage of 11.50 in Ireland. That should be the minimum wage.

LC2017

OP what year of study are you in? What college are you in? What projects are you working on in your spare time?
You'll need to be in a top course, get top marks in your class and have a hell of a good work portfolio.
And that's only to get an interview..

messy tessy

Hollister11 wrote: »

Would these people not go to college and at least doubt what there on now a few years after graduating

A reasonable question until this part.

snowflaker

Gringo180 wrote: »

Yeah because thats the only alternative. There is a living wage of 11.50 in Ireland. That should be the minimum wage.

And then inflation...

snowflaker

Avatar MIA wrote: »

So, you're saying there's a chance

I've said too much! Meet me outside the Sisters of Mercy in Tuam in 3 hours... bring a shovel

Gringo180

lmimmfn wrote: »

Realistically noone should be on min wage long term, I'm not trying to be an ass and i know people unfortunately have to survive on it but education is relatively cheap in Ireland and we shouldn't have to depend on min wage.

Most warehouse jobs are paying min wage. Somevody has to do them. There is a huge % of the population not fortunate enough to go to college for whatever reason. Im not saying everybody should be on 20 quid an hour but pay them a wage that they can live on.

lmimmfn

boardie100 wrote: »

120k ! contracting right?...

No, 120k salaried, its the right skills kinda thing, big data experience etc. honestly wouldn't work in Dublin for anything less or unless I was forced to

Zascar

I don't know about software development, but another field where you can make very good money is IT sales. Big demand right now for salespeople in Dublin especially, so many tech companies fighting to hire people. If you have 2-3 years decent IT sales experience you can make 70k-80k. You can make 100k+ if you do well and progress over a few years and hop between companies. Have a read of this - it may be a stretch in 1000 days but it can be done in 5-7 years.

What baffles me is how few people actually set out to study what careers can pay top money and steer their careers towards that. Many just go into whatever and wonder why they never got rich.