Off Topic Chat. (MOD NOTE post# 3949 and post#5279)

otmmyboy2

tudderone wrote: »

Two gun control bills pass in the USA, before heading to the senate.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-congress-guns-idUSKBN2B32MA

No surprise there, house is controlled by the Dems so a gun control bill would walk through there.
Senate will be the real battle.

Grizzly 45

So long as they keep the Filibuster in the Senate,we still have a chance.

civdef

I can see these two going through eventually, only a delaying action.

tudderone

Diane Feinstein is introducing a bill to ban civilian ownership of AR-15's and (sounds familiar) a ban on mags of over 10 rounds.

Feisar

tudderone wrote: »

Diane Feinstein is introducing a bill to ban civilian ownership of AR-15's and (sounds familiar) a ban on mags of over 10 rounds.

What is it about the magic 10 round number!?!

William B. Ruger Sr. "No honest man needs more than 10 rounds in any gun."

It's not just us that throws our own under the bus.

Uinseann_16

Feisar wrote: »

What is it about the magic 10 round number!?!

William B. Ruger Sr. "No honest man needs more than 10 rounds in any gun."

It's not just us that throws our own under the bus.

Meanwhile in 1860 your standard capacity Henry was 15+1 :pac:

tudderone

Feisar wrote: »

What is it about the magic 10 round number!?!

William B. Ruger Sr. "No honest man needs more than 10 rounds in any gun."

It's not just us that throws our own under the bus.

Ruger paid the price for that, there was a boycott of his guns and the shares bombed.

Feisar

tudderone wrote: »

Ruger paid the price for that, there was a boycott of his guns and the shares bombed.

How did he think something like that would be OK!

Uinseann_16

The ATF have been going on a banning spree, declaring all sorts of things machine guns like all the Tommy built g36 clones that were built on HK SLRs, unless they get refurbed
They are also looking at banning all AKs with a extra dimple in the receiver where an auto sear could be installed problem is there are thousands possibly hundreds of thousands of AKs with these dimples from the stamping process (many AKs were stamped on old dies that had the dimple) including some saiga shotguns...
Some XM177 clones were also banned because they had a fake etched third "pin"
This is them taking advantage of the 1986 act because if they say it's a machine gun it's impossible to register today so must be destroyed or turned in without compensation under the threat of serious prison time

Cass

The Government have been missing their weekly vaccination targets, by a sizeable amount, for three weeks in a row. Supply is failing (vaccinations not being delivered when ordered) and now the Oxford/Astrazeneca has been at the centre of a blood clotting scare and pulled from use (seemingly temporarily) in three countries including Ireland.

yubabill

Cass wrote: »

The Government have been missing their weekly vaccination targets, by a sizeable amount, for three weeks in a row. Supply is failing (vaccinations not being delivered when ordered) and now the Oxford/Astrazeneca has been at the centre of a blood clotting scare and pulled from use (seemingly temporarily) in three countries including Ireland.

How convenient that the govt can't meet their vacs target now that the suspension means 30k people will not receive their inoculation this week.

Learned people say there is no evidence of increased stroke rate post-vaccine and the clinical trials (ten of thousands of volunteers) show the same.

Cynical move by Minister Donnelly.

Grizzly 45

Feisar wrote: »

What is it about the magic 10 round number!?!

William B. Ruger Sr. "No honest man needs more than 10 rounds in any gun."

It's not just us that throws our own under the bus.

The original AR15 from Colt was issued with a 20 round mag for civilian sales.
This is basically idiots like Feinstein's and Bradys idea of reducing mass shooting from California state legislation,that if only there were 10 rounds,the shooter would have to stop to reload and maybe within 3second of a practised empty mag dump and reload people would rush and overpower them...:roll eyes:....Yes they ARE that dumb.
Or not taking into account a "New York Reload" where the shooter simply drops his empty 6 shot revolver and draws another and another, and another, ala the famous finale in "The Outlaw Josey Wales"

The only reason Ruger said that ,was he was trying to hoke for himself the LE market with the mini 14 and made mags with " For LE use only" in greater than 10 riunds capacity....They became collector's pieces, and Rugers brilliant marketing ploy failed,as accessory companies started to make high cap mags aplenty for his gun.

Grizzly 45

Uinseann_16 wrote: »

The ATF have been going on a banning spree, declaring all sorts of things machine guns like all the Tommy built g36 clones that were built on HK SLRs, unless they get refurbed
They are also looking at banning all AKs with a extra dimple in the receiver where an auto sear could be installed problem is there are thousands possibly hundreds of thousands of AKs with these dimples from the stamping process (many AKs were stamped on old dies that had the dimple) including some saiga shotguns...
Some XM177 clones were also banned because they had a fake etched third "pin"
This is them taking advantage of the 1986 act because if they say it's a machine gun it's impossible to register today so must be destroyed or turned in without compensation under the threat of serious prison time

I see a fellow CRS firearms fan here.
Also making Tommybuilt Tactical a small fortune in the process of about 250,000usd to do this,as they won't do the rebuild for free,and are charging 250 dollars to rebuild this gun.
And lets not forget the gag pic of the lightning link drawn on a bit of metal
Possibly violating the 1at amendment.

This is ATF throwing ****e and hoping somthing will stick,like the pistol braces recently....High time that organisation was defunded and closed down,it is an absolute mess.

Grizzly 45

Cass wrote: »

The Government have been missing their weekly vaccination targets, by a sizeable amount, for three weeks in a row. Supply is failing (vaccinations not being delivered when ordered) and now the Oxford/Astrazeneca has been at the centre of a blood clotting scare and pulled from use (seemingly temporarily) in three countries including Ireland.

I'm sure our dear leader can go and ask...You know...The thing! over in Washington DC via zoom call when he hands over in cyberspace the fruit bowl full of weeds day after tomrrow,if Uncle Joe would give us a few J&J vaccines that they are hoarding as he loves us so much and is half Irish himself,etc,etc ,etc...:pac:

tudderone

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

I see a fellow CRS firearms fan here.
Also making Tommybuilt Tactical a small fortune in the process of about 250,000usd to do this,as they won't do the rebuild for free,and are charging 250 dollars to rebuild this gun.
And lets not forget the gag pic of the lightning link drawn on a bit of metal
Possibly violating the 1at amendment.

This is ATF throwing ****e and hoping somthing will stick,like the pistol braces recently....High time that organisation was defunded and closed down,it is an absolute mess.

If the atf start confiscations, the same time as the democrats start banning certain classes of firearms, i can see serious trouble ahead, as in uprisings, Waco's etc.

tudderone

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

I'm sure our dear leader can go and ask...You know...The thing! over in Washington DC via zoom call when he hands over in cyberspace the fruit bowl full of weeds day after tomrrow,if Uncle Joe would give us a few J&J vaccines that they are hoarding as he loves us so much and is half Irish himself,etc,etc ,etc...:pac:

Its in the media that the EU are going to the Russians on the qt for their "Sputnik V" vaccine. Bit tricky seeing as the EU have trade sanctions against Russia.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/3/15/unthinkable-eu-considers-russias-sputnik-v-vaccine

Uinseann_16

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

I see a fellow CRS firearms fan here.
Also making Tommybuilt Tactical a small fortune in the process of about 250,000usd to do this,as they won't do the rebuild for free,and are charging 250 dollars to rebuild this gun.
And lets not forget the gag pic of the lightning link drawn on a bit of metal
Possibly violating the 1at amendment.

This is ATF throwing ****e and hoping somthing will stick,like the pistol braces recently....High time that organisation was defunded and closed down,it is an absolute mess.

Seen a couple of his Vids, not quite my cup of tea but still some interesting bits

Feisar

https://macbros.com/bergara-magazine/

While gorging myself on all things Bergara I came across the above. Would it be considered a 10 or 20 round mag?

otmmyboy2

Feisar wrote: »

https://macbros.com/bergara-magazine/

While gorging myself on all things Bergara I can across the above. Would it be considered a 10 or 20 round mag?

If you have to switch it around before continuing shooting then I would say it is the equivalent of two 10 rounders taped together, still just 10 rounders.

Like the stanag mags you can attach to each other, still just a pair of 10 rounders.

Cass

yubabill wrote: »

Learned people say there is no evidence of increased stroke rate post-vaccine and the clinical trials (ten of thousands of volunteers) show the same.

Last night it was on the news, in a banner running along the bottom of the screen, that while there may be complications or even deaths that the rate of such is so low as to be under the "threshold".

It reminded me of something i read last year that stuck in my mind.

Someone posted a meme aimed towards those that believed the situation was not as serious as it was being claimed. The meme targeted the notion that only 1% of people would get serious symptoms or face death and it said:

"If you were offered a bag of 100 sweets knowing one was poisoned would you still eat them knowing at any point one could kill you".

It springs to mind again for the same reason, but in reverse. If an "acceptable" amount of people may die from complications including stoke and/or blood clot after receiving the vaccine then would you risk it.

I have said before i'm not an antivaxxer. Never have been and still am not now. I never took the flu shot, but never felt the need to which is much different to being opposed to it on ideological grounds. However back in late January/early February there were reports of elderly people dying within 24 hours of receiving the vaccine in Norway, Germany and Denmark. These deaths were quickly dismissed as having nothing to do with the vaccine. Now 4/5 weeks later and blood clots are being reported.

Throughout this vaccine and its rollout were told:

1. Its thoroughly tested, nothing to worry about.
2. A disclaimer saying the full range of side effects cannot be known due to the "hurried" (my term, not the one used) nature of the development and rollout
3. Some side effects may be common
4. Side effects will be common but will range in severity and will pass within 24 to 48 hours
5. There is no risk of severe complications resulting in death
6. Deaths reported as being linked to the vaccine are not infact linked
7. Three countries suspend the use of Astraveneca (even if only as a precaution)

Once again i'll stress i'm not advocating for or against the vaccine. I'm simply repeating the never-ending contradictions we have been told since the virus first appeared. In the early months of this virus, pre-vaccine, we got such conflicting information from supposed reliable sources that it bred this environment of fear and distrust. We were told the situation is fluid and information will change, which is correct and does happen. As time went on and the contradictory information kept on flowing so it allowed that fear to spread, to such an extent that i believe people that ordinarily would have trusted the news/reports were skeptical and those that would not have trusted those sources used it as ammo for disinformation. ITs still happening to this day.

Add to the that actions of various Governments in conjunction with social media platforms and news outlets/media in "silencing" any opposition, and now the conspiracy theory has suddenly gotten a degree of credibility. Doctors, PhDs and others (considered authorities on such matters) that questioned or opposed the vaccine, its rollout, its "being", were not shown to be wrong but instead silenced by being de-platformed, removed from their positions, and labelled as crackpots or miscreants.

So by their [Government/tech/news) actions they gave birth to the unusually large population of deniers and through their constant mistakes, disinformation, and continued actions they feed that populations mistrust.

Grizzly 45

otmmyboy2 wrote: »

If you have to switch it around before continuing shooting then I would say it is the equivalent of two 10 rounders taped together, still just 10 rounders.

Like the stanag mags you can attach to each other, still just a pair of 10 rounders.

They are 2 separate 10 round mags. .You're good to go under US,EU and Irish law.

otmmyboy2

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

They are 2 separate 10 round mags. .You're good to go under US,EU and Irish law.

Thinking about that actually, if you had something belt fed could you just link 10 rounds, leave one link empty, link another 10, etc.

In a technical sense you wouldn't be able to shoot more than 10 without "reloading", in a way

Now who had those mini M1919a4 semiautos in 22lr....

Grizzly 45

Cass wrote: »

Last night it was on the news, in a banner running along the bottom of the screen, that while there may be complications or even deaths that the rate of such is so low as to be under the "threshold"......

Strange how many of these "Tinfoil hat rightwing conspiracy theories" are now becoming factual a year later?

BTW Happy "3weeks to flatten the curve and eradicate this virus" 1st year today:rolleyes:

Grizzly 45

otmmyboy2 wrote: »

Thinking about that actually, if you had something belt fed could you just link 10 rounds, leave one link empty, link another 10, etc.

In a technical sense you wouldn't be able to shoot more than 10 without "reloading", in a way

Now who had those mini M1919a4 semiautos in 22lr....

Leave two links empty to be sure.:D

otmmyboy2

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Strange how many of these "Tinfoil hat rightwing conspiracy theories" are now becoming factual a year later?

BTW Happy "3weeks to flatten the curve and eradicate this virus" 1st year today:rolleyes:

And lets not forget the "keep the pressure off the HSE" tripe.
https://theliberal.ie/freedom-of-information-request-reveals-data-that-claims-irish-hospitals-were-well-below-average-occupancy-during-pandemic/

Uinseann_16

Common birth control pills for women have much higher blood clot rates(among other crazy side effects) but it's perfectly acceptable to throw that stuff out like free candy, but God forbid one in 425,000 has that issue with the vaccine

tudderone

My elderly mother was ill for about three weeks recently, ironically after a visit to the GP. He gave her a different extra tablet to control her type 2 diabetes. She had cronic stomach cramps, was muzzy headed, when normally she is as sharp as a tack and a few other issues. She felt wretched and i had my fears.

One evening she went through the bumpf that comes with the pills, and low and behold it said if you have any of these symptoms, stop taking them. It said as many as 1 person in 10 could be affected.

My point is any medicine or drug is not 100% safe at all, there is always an element of risk.

There is (stupidly) politics being played with this vaccine, and people are going to die needlessly over it.

tudderone

Feisar wrote: »

https://macbros.com/bergara-magazine/

While gorging myself on all things Bergara I came across the above. Would it be considered a 10 or 20 round mag?

Have Bergara stopped making their single shot rifles ?

yubabill

Cass wrote: »

Last night it was on the news, in a banner running along the bottom of the screen, that while there may be complications or even deaths that the rate of such is so low as to be under the "threshold".

It reminded me of something i read last year that stuck in my mind.

Someone posted a meme aimed towards those that believed the situation was not as serious as it was being claimed. The meme targeted the notion that only 1% of people would get serious symptoms or face death and it said:

"If you were offered a bag of 100 sweets knowing one was poisoned would you still eat them knowing at any point one could kill you".

It springs to mind again for the same reason, but in reverse. If an "acceptable" amount of people may die from complications including stoke and/or blood clot after receiving the vaccine then would you risk it.

I have said before i'm not an antivaxxer. Never have been and still am not now. I never took the flu shot, but never felt the need to which is much different to being opposed to it on ideological grounds. However back in late January/early February there were reports of elderly people dying within 24 hours of receiving the vaccine in Norway, Germany and Denmark. These deaths were quickly dismissed as having nothing to do with the vaccine. Now 4/5 weeks later and blood clots are being reported.

Throughout this vaccine and its rollout were told:

1. Its thoroughly tested, nothing to worry about.
2. A disclaimer saying the full range of side effects cannot be known due to the "hurried" (my term, not the one used) nature of the development and rollout
3. Some side effects may be common
4. Side effects will be common but will range in severity and will pass within 24 to 48 hours
5. There is no risk of severe complications resulting in death
6. Deaths reported as being linked to the vaccine are not infact linked
7. Three countries suspend the use of Astraveneca (even if only as a precaution)

Once again i'll stress i'm not advocating for or against the vaccine. I'm simply repeating the never-ending contradictions we have been told since the virus first appeared. In the early months of this virus, pre-vaccine, we got such conflicting information from supposed reliable sources that it bred this environment of fear and distrust. We were told the situation is fluid and information will change, which is correct and does happen. As time went on and the contradictory information kept on flowing so it allowed that fear to spread, to such an extent that i believe people that ordinarily would have trusted the news/reports were skeptical and those that would not have trusted those sources used it as ammo for disinformation. ITs still happening to this day.

Add to the that actions of various Governments in conjunction with social media platforms and news outlets/media in "silencing" any opposition, and now the conspiracy theory has suddenly gotten a degree of credibility. Doctors, PhDs and others (considered authorities on such matters) that questioned or opposed the vaccine, its rollout, its "being", were not shown to be wrong but instead silenced by being de-platformed, removed from their positions, and labelled as crackpots or miscreants.

So by their [Government/tech/news) actions they gave birth to the unusually large population of deniers and through their constant mistakes, disinformation, and continued actions they feed that populations mistrust.

One of the more boring things I have had to do is to read clinical trial reports.

Every medication has side effects and risk of adverse events, including death in some cases. We take them because we trust the various authorities who approve them, but we should be given more information by GP's etc (reading the medication's insert is not really good enough IMHO).

I agree about the conflicting information coming from all sides, but in an emergency situation a consensus is a rare thing.

WRT risk - I will gladly accept anything with 95% or greater chance of survival and as there have been c. 40 strokes reported from c.40 million vaccine recipients, I'll happily risk that and live with the consequences if so be it.

Mellor

Cass wrote: »

However back in late January/early February there were reports of elderly people dying within 24 hours of receiving the vaccine in Norway, Germany and Denmark. These deaths were quickly dismissed as having nothing to do with the vaccine. Now 4/5 weeks later and blood clots are being reported.

From memory, the deaths were quickly dismissed as there was virtually no statistically significance. It was something line 20 deaths out of 20,000 elderly people vaccinated. All the people who died where over 80.

Take a significantly large enough group of 80 year olds, and some are going to die from natural causes in the next few days no matter what you do.

yubabill wrote: »

c. 40 strokes reported from c.40 million vaccine recipients, I'll happily risk that and live with the consequences if so be it.

There are c.40 million over 65s in the US. 1,500 will have a stroke every day. over 500k per year (IOW 1.25% will have a stroke every year)

It must be hard to quantify the actual risk a vaccine has dealing with elderly populations.