Off Topic Chat. (MOD NOTE post# 3949 and post#5279)

Grizzly 45

tudderone wrote: »

Whats the deal, and why precisely do we have to have a month of rainbow flags and lgbtq-ei-ei-oh everywhere ? Why not a day or a weekend, but a month ? Adverts on buses, on public hoardings, the local insurance place is completely over the top, you can buy rainbow badges and postcards in the post offices.

St.Patrick gets a day, the men and women of 1916 get a day, Christ gets a day, why is this so deserving of a month ?

Gay person " I'm gay!"
Me Okay.
GP."you must accept that I'm gay as a sexual and lifestyle choice"
Me "Yeah no probs"
GP " No you must totally accept that I am gay and I must have an entire month that embraces my gayness,in all shapes and form"
Me " Er ok...Fine...
GP "And it must include that I am oppressed because of my sexuality and lifestyle choice and discriminated against in all walks of life,and don't have a voice either..."
Me " Sigh! Ok....WHATever.."
GP "And I want to indoctrinate your children with my beliefs"
Me .........

Me..."I'm a gun owner!"
GP and the rest of the world.. "EUUUCHH you murderous psycho small dicked Bambi and schoolyard psycho shooting lunatic.!You must be deplatformed immediately!"

Cass

Richard308 wrote: »

I didn’t see any evidence it did stop under trump and restarted under Biden(or evidence it is happening now or in last 4 years).

So confirmed cases of it under Obama, nothing under Trump and an accused case of it under Biden and your take on all that is "did it happen under Trump?".

Being honest, tucker Carlson wouldn’t be the most credible of journalists (I use that term loosely)

As opposed to the BBC!!!!!!!!!!! Hah.

these days. I prefer to get info from multiple sources and make an informed decision.

You linked to and took all your "information" from one BBC article which used the victim blaming contained within to justify the possible actions of the NSA.

tudderone

Richard308 wrote: »

I didn’t see any evidence it did stop under trump and restarted under Biden(or evidence it is happening now or in last 4 years). Just wondering was it easier for an administration to turn a blind eye to it and claim plausible deniability. Being honest, tucker Carlson wouldn’t be the most credible of journalists (I use that term loosely) these days. I prefer to get info from multiple sources and make an informed decision.

He’s an entertainer in the cult of personality politics.

Yes, anyone slightly to the right of Karl Marx is a facist.

Cass

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

The FBI knew the Russian collusion was fake and said and did nothing,......

Speaking off that, did you see Biden appointed two people to spearhead his campaign against fake news on social media and other platoforms.

The first is Robert Bauer who is probably best known for being the architect behind the debunked Russia Collusion hoax and responsible for the Steele Dossier.

The second is Stephanie Cutter who has a history of making slanderous and outright fabricated allegations against Republicans such as when she accused Mitt Romney of being responsible for the death of a Woman with Cancer which was utterly rubbished by multiple media sources including Washington Post, NY Times, USA Today, etc. She is also adept and running interference for the gaffs of Biden.

These two are going to be responsible for forcing social media platforms to fact check the information as they see fit, and especially those of their political opponents.

Bog Trotter99

The Irish Health board are short of blood so are now bringing it in from England.

We will all be Brexiteers now........Well those who arent already.:D;)

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2021/0630/1232204-blood-shortage/

Richard308

Cass wrote: »

So confirmed cases of it under Obama, nothing under Trump and an accused case of it under Biden and your take on all that is "did it happen under Trump?".

As opposed to the BBC!!!!!!!!!!! Hah.

You linked to and took all your "information" from one BBC article which used the victim blaming contained within to justify the possible actions of the NSA.

I didn’t say it didn’t happen under Obama. That was 5/6 years ago. Accused case against Biden, by an “alleged whistleblower” who knew details of a story half dozen people knew about.
I read foxes take, bbc, cnn, breutbart, Russia today, Al Jazeera, and others. And to be honest it looks like a slight of hand trick with his story. Call me cynical. I try to balance my opinions on facts, reasonable assertions and balance of probability based on all the information available to me.

Funny you mention victim shaming. Seems to be just stating widely reported facts. No one was confirming nsa monitoring not to mention using it as an excuse to spy on Carlson. I don’t condone governments spying on its citizens. We don’t live in the communist eastern block thank god.

I was just asking a legitimate question which no one knows what the answer to is I’m guessing. Wasn’t trying to stoke an argument. Just trying to balance the argument a bit rather than jumping to (Ill informed)conclusions that might have no semblance of truth to them.

On a positive note the weather is amazing,

Grizzly 45

Saw a nice Mitsubishi Pajero lWB 97 in Donegal for handy enough money [3000]. Went to see how much it would cost to clear here with VRT calculator.

Almost DOUBLE the asking price!!! 5,290 euros,mostly NOX and emissions tax.:eek::eek:
As usual the poor are being screwed without the lube by the Irish Govt. Some of us do need 4wds than other than to do the school run by in some D4 suburb,and seeing there isn't a worthwhile electric/hybrid 4wd on the market yet. These things are kind of a necessity in country life.

Good luck to anyone who has a NI or UK wagon they want to shift now.Even if they commercialise it. The "pollution tax" will render them unsellable here bar junk value.
Another typical Irish Govt stunt."we are not pushing you at all to do anything,just making it cost-prohibitive for you to continue.to our benefit of course!":mad:

Cass

Bog Trotter99 wrote: »

The Irish Health board are short of blood so are now bringing it in from England.

Will they charge VAT on it.

Cass

Richard308 wrote: »

Funny you mention victim shaming. Seems to be just stating widely reported facts.

From a story in 2006 which has no bearing on the current story. So why bring it up other than to discredit the alleged victim?

Just trying to balance the argument a bit rather than jumping to (Ill informed)conclusions that might have no semblance of truth to them. ,

Jumping to which "ill informed" conclusions:

Cass wrote: »

If this is true, and its a bold claim to make if its not, ...................

No conclusions there.

Grizzly 45

Bog Trotter99 wrote: »

The Irish Health board are short of blood so are now bringing it in from England.

We will all be Brexiteers now........Well those who arent already.:D;)

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2021/0630/1232204-blood-shortage/

Bubut but what happened with the BSE and mad cow worry that prohibited us saps who might have fancied a Wimpy burger back in the late 80s from giving blood for the rest of our days in Ireland?:eek: I used to donate, but on arriving back from the UK in the 90s I was told I was ineligible to donate because of BSE in the UK.
Can't donate now anymore either because I have the Irish blood disease of Hameochromotisis,which apparently 85% of us Irish males have in some shape or form.Too much iron in the blood basically,and the cure is simply to draw blood off you once a week or month depending on severity.Which of course is destroyed.Even the docs and nurses say its a utter waste of blood that once screened could be used again.

Cass

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Went to see how much it would cost to clear here with VRT calculator.

Almost DOUBLE the asking price!!! 5,290 euros,mostly NOX and emissions tax.:eek::eek:

I can bring in, cause I checked it for sh*ts and giggles, a 2012 2.8litre VXR for €1,800. If I want to import a 2012 2.0 Diesel it'll cost me €4,850.

The price of the VXR is €9,000 (with current exchange rate) and with import duties €10,800.

The price of the Diesel is €6,900 (with current exchange rate) and with import buties €11,750.

Checked a few more things. A 2008 Vectra, worth about €1,000 - €1,500 here given current prices, costs €4,490 to bring in. Asking price was £1,200 which translate into about €1,450 and with duties €5,940.

So I started looking for cars in petrol in the same price range, €6k (cost, and duties) and I can import a 2010 Audi A5 sportsback for €6,500, a 2011 Mondeo mk4 in 2.0 Powershift for €6,900, and so on.

Diesel imports are dead. Taxing them out of it to prevent imports, but big engine and powerful petrols are cheap, and widely available in the UK.

Which is nice.

Bog Trotter99

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

I have the Irish blood disease of Hameochromotisis,which apparently 85% of us Irish males have in some shape or form.Too much iron in the blood

You got ginger hair Grizzly:)

Cass

Bog Trotter99 wrote: »

The Irish Health board are short of blood so are now bringing it in from England.

Not funny as in "ha, ha" but funny in that you don't always think of all the issues that this last 15 months of lockdown have created. I would never have considered blood shortages as an issue, as in it wouldn't have crossed my mind.

We were all aware of the ridiculous condition of our health service before this virus hit, but with mental health issues on the rise, cancer patients and a host of other "routine" medical procedures now on the back foot and only getting worse is it any wonder they want to continue lockdowns and delay re-opening.

The health services couldn't cop with it.

Read a few stories recently of parents who have been told their child will have to wait 55 months+ for an appiointment. That is 4 and half years. Problem is the child will be over 18 by the time the appointment comes along and too old to be eligible for it.

I think I said/asked before what kind of health service would we have if they invested the billions they've spent over the last 15 months on PUP, mortage relief, business subsidies, and other schemes, because they forced people out of work, into the health service? Maybe that is too simplistic, but you get the idea.

Cass

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Too much iron in the blood basically,........

Must be fun every time you walk past the fridge, magnets, no??





I'll get my coat.

tudderone

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Bubut but what happened with the BSE and mad cow worry that prohibited us saps who might have fancied a Wimpy burger back in the late 80s from giving blood for the rest of our days in Ireland?:eek: I used to donate, but on arriving back from the UK in the 90s I was told I was ineligible to donate because of BSE in the UK.
Can't donate now anymore either because I have the Irish blood disease of Hameochromotisis,which apparently 85% of us Irish males have in some shape or form.Too much iron in the blood basically,and the cure is simply to draw blood off you once a week or month depending on severity.Which of course is destroyed.Even the docs and nurses say its a utter waste of blood that once screened could be used again.

Best ban steel shot so, to be on the safe side !

Bog Trotter99

Cass wrote: »

Not funny as in "ha, ha"

I would never do that. You dont want to know.:eek:

Richard308

Cass wrote: »

From a story in 2006 which has no bearing on the current story. So why bring it up other than to discredit the alleged victim?


Jumping to which "ill informed" conclusions:

No conclusions there.

Information is often distributed not so you believe something, it so you believe nothing. Then you'll do nothing.

Im just sceptical at the minute about the claims. I’ll let the story develop before I make a judgement on what to believe.

Just at the minute not plausible for me that it ceased before or during Trump presidency and then started all of a sudden under Biden.

Bog Trotter99

Cass wrote: »

I think I said/asked before what kind of health service would we have if they invested the billions they've spent over the last 15 months on PUP, mortage relief, business subsidies, and other schemes, because they forced people out of work, into the health service? Maybe that is too simplistic, but you get the idea.

I have never understood why a small country like Ireland for example doesnt shine in certain areas.

Say if we built the best hospitals and invested in research and attracted the best doctors and surgeons etc. Then we would have the best health service in the world for our own and charge everybody else who would flock to the place from around the world to get fixed up. A place of health and surgery excellence. Wouldnt be that hard to do.....or would it.

It appears to work in Beverly Hills and Harley Street when you need to look younger or get a new nose and bigger set of boobies.

BattleCorp

It would be a very naive person who thinks that US Government agencies don't spy on everyone, including their own.

tudderone

BattleCorp wrote: »

It would be a very naive person who thinks that US Government agencies don't spy on everyone, including their own.

Or the Irish........................................

Richard308

Cass wrote: »

From a story in 2006 which has no bearing on the current story. So why bring it up other than to discredit the alleged victim?

Who’s the Victim? The children Tucker Carlson was referring to or do you think Carlson is a victim? I can’t wait for this one. :-)

Richard308

In other news
Trump Organization expected to be charged over tax https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57669976

Cass

Richard308 wrote: »

Just at the minute not plausible for me that it ceased before or during Trump presidency and then started all of a sudden under Biden.

Who said it ceased? That is just another assumption and as Battlecorp said a foolish one as the NSA would not simply cease while Trump was President.

However as the story is not about Trump, you brought him up again, but about what is supposedly happening under a Biden adminstration.

Richard308 wrote: »

Who’s the Victim? The children Tucker Carlson was referring to or do you think Carlson is a victim? I can’t wait for this one. :-)

You brought up the article from the biased BBC which referenced his comments from 2006 on a matter that has nothing to do with the current topic/story. IOW the BBC, and you by referencing them, are basically saying look at what he said before so if its happening its fine or justified.

Once again you're moving the conversation from what I orignally spoke off, namely the spying on Carlson, to comments he made 15 years ago.

Richard308

Cass wrote: »

Who said it ceased? That is just another assumption and as Battlecorp said a foolish one as the NSA would not simply cease while Trump was President.

However as the story is not about Trump, you brought him up again, but about what is supposedly happening under a Biden adminstration.

You brought up the article from the biased BBC which referenced his comments from 2006 on a matter that has nothing to do with the current topic/story. IOW the BBC, and you by referencing them, are basically saying look at what he said before so if its happening its fine or justified.

Once again you're moving the conversation from what I orignally spoke off, namely the spying on Carlson, to comments he made 15 years ago.

I said in an earlier post I’d be surprised if it stopped under trump and started again under Biden.

I referenced the article about Carlson,yes, never said spying is justified on ordinary joe soap without a court warrant. I hadn’t heard the story about Carlson before speaking sexually about children.

FYI the nsa issued a statement in black and white saying they never spied on him, he was never a target.

Ok so who are the victims that were shamed you were referencing? Are you suggesting tucker Carlson was the victim? Or is it shaming him that he’s the target of spying(which it appears he isn’t) And they just threw some horrible truths at him on the bbc? Couldn’t call Carlson a victim

Cass

Biden makes number of gaffs and lies in less than a few minutes in two interviews.

• Claimed those thinking to use the second amendment to defend from a tyrannical Government would need F-15s and Nukes yet then claims a couple fo hundred hippies in wookie onsies were an insurrection. Make up your mind "man".
• Called Latinos, LatinX (an internet, cultish, term for whites identifying as latinos)
• Said the second amendment (at the time of writing it) did not allow for, nor does it allow for, people to own canons or other weapons of war (thats a lie)
• Misquoted, then incorrectly used (almost mockingly), the expression "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots".
• Leaned forward into the microphone three separate times and whispered, creepily, to reporters.

And my personal favorite:

Biden - "LatinX people won't get the vaccine because they're afraid of being deported".

So he thinks all Latinos are there illegally. The man has always been and still is a racist. However so called "fact checkers" label some things he said as misleading, or partly false. I've another name for partly false, MOSTLY TRUE. Some are so obvious they [the leftist media] can make no excuses for them. Here are some of his top ones which span his entire career:

During 2020 election:

If you don't know who to vote for, you ain't black

2006 fundraiser:

You cannot go into a 7-11 or Dunkin Donuts without having a slight indian accent

1977 Senate hearing

I don't want my kids growing up in a racial jungle

Less than a year ago:

Unlike the African American community, with notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community with incredibly different attitudes about different things.

About his runnign mate in 2008 election.

I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy

2019, meeting about education on election trail:

Poor kids are just as bright and talented as white kids

Grizzly 45

Cass wrote: »

Must be fun every time you walk past the fridge, magnets, no??





I'll get my coat.

The original Iron man me...:D But not as bad as one bloke who had it in the US,that he was setting off airport metal detectors,and they had zero clues as to why.Thing is; you can look utterly anemic with this disease as well,so the doc might think a good course of Iron is what you need to sort you out.

But seriously guys,if you are in the doc get yourselves checked out for it. It is very prevalent in us Irish men and can be a life shortner,and if you are chronically tired,or have stiffness in joints and muscle pains for no particular reasons,it can be haemochomotisis.

https://irishheart.ie/news/haemochromatosis-and-your-heart/

Grizzly 45

Richard308 wrote: »

In other news
Trump Organization expected to be charged over tax https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57669976

You know what these Dem witch hunts remind me of now?
Trump as the Roadrunner going "Beep Beep",and the Dems like Wiley Coyote with some ACME invention or in their case scandal or lawsuit that either blows up in their faces,misfires and has them falling into the canyon again,with their invention or pile of boulders landing on top of them for good measure.:D:D

Another frivilious lawsuit that we will hear nothing about once it goes nowhere ...again.

Here a differing opinion to the Broadcasting Bolloks Continuously report..Just for some balance.
https://trendingpolitics.com/breaking-news-manhattan-prosecutor-is-now-expected-to-charge-the-trump-organization-with-tax-crimes-knab/?utm_source=spotim&utm_medium=spotim_recirculation

Richard308

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

You know what these Dem witch hunts remind me of now?
Trump as the Roadrunner going "Beep Beep",and the Dems like Wiley Coyote with some ACME invention or in their case scandal or lawsuit that either blows up in their faces,misfires and has them falling into the canyon again,with their invention or pile of boulders landing on top of them for good measure.:D:D

Another frivilious lawsuit that we will hear nothing about once it goes nowhere ...again.

Well innocent until proven guilty, I wouldn’t condemn anyone yet.

Grizzly 45

BattleCorp wrote: »

It would be a very naive person who thinks that US Government agencies don't spy on everyone, including their own.

Depite them having a federal and constitutional prohibition on them from doing so.Esp the CIA who have been caught out numerous times spying and meddling in American political affairs.

Grizzly 45

Richard308 wrote: »

Well innocent until proven guilty, I wouldn’t condemn anyone yet.

What a quaint and outdated notion you have there Rich...That doesn't apply to Republicans or Trump supporters or anyone with a slightly differing opinion to the woke status quo mob mentality these days..you are obviously a nazi and are guilty straight away especially if you are the orange man or support him.