Off Topic Chat. (MOD NOTE post# 3949 and post#5279)

Grizzly 45

From experience, nothing inconspicuous or easily carried when it comes to SMGs.:) Well, maybe if you Schwarzneggers build. Try fitting even a micro Uzi or an Ingram in a shoulder rig under a jacket and you look...Well odd. You still have to carry it in a tote bag or a large man bag. Both methods are not very quick to deploy either. Lugging it about in the HK thigh holster kind of destroys the concealability factor as well.:) If you need concealability and a reason to get lots of ammo down range,then something like a Glock 18[select fire version] or Beretta 93R with a "Cop Stock" or a telescoping stock would be alot more concealable under a jacket than a PDW.Trouble is ,they need alot of practise ro shoot well,but ultra concealable.

gunny123

Our glorious leader pissed as a fart :rolleyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVrpYTZMBcM

Grizzly 45

Our Dear Leaders "sciatica" is acting up again...:rolleyes::rolleyes:

BattleCorp

Sparks wrote: »

Yes. Because the drug gangs aren't supposed to be looking out for the well-being of the public, while the armed garda units are. Also, the armed gardai's tools are bought with public money, so frankly, whether we're buying the best tools for the job is something the public are allowed to question, and "best" in this case is not a metric set solely by the Gardai. We, the backstop, are part of that metric as well, so things like accuracy and over-penetration and the safety of the general public are factors.

While I am not disagreeing with you, I do find it gas that people here are questioning the suitability of the Gardaí's choice of firearms yet go mad when the Gardaí question the suitability of our firearms for target shooting.

Grizzly 45

BattleCorp wrote: »

While I am not disagreeing with you, I do find it gas that people here are questioning the suitability of the Gardaí's choice of firearms yet go mad when the Gardaí question the suitability of our firearms for target shooting.

Maybe its just nice to see the preachy and sanctimonious ones who claim "mere civilians shouldn't be allowed to own combat handguns or assault rifles,which are only suitable for ELITE military or police forces" fall headfirst flat into the mud puddle,and then roll around in it on a basic mistake, that they are probably making worse by blaming it on equipment failure and traffic conditions that would cost us mere civilians a lot in firearms ownership?

Uinseann_16

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

From experience, nothing inconspicuous or easily carried when it comes to SMGs.:) Well, maybe if you Schwarzneggers build. Try fitting even a micro Uzi or an Ingram in a shoulder rig under a jacket and you look...Well odd. You still have to carry it in a tote bag or a large man bag. Both methods are not very quick to deploy either. Lugging it about in the HK thigh holster kind of destroys the concealability factor as well.:) If you need concealability and a reason to get lots of ammo down range,then something like a Glock 18[select fire version] or Beretta 93R with a "Cop Stock" or a telescoping stock would be alot more concealable under a jacket than a PDW.Trouble is ,they need alot of practise ro shoot well,but ultra concealable.

Why not something like the FN-57 , was just looking at the HK 4.6x30 and at NATO trials the 5.7x28 was thought to be the superior option they gardai could get P90s and 5-7 pistols and maintain one caliber?

gunny123

How to get a tactical beard to match your .300 super dooper magnum, your shades, your 2.5-500 x 75 infra-red ninja scope, and your special forces military record (your father was in the FCA).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzsTgMCfdBk

Grizzly 45

All Comrades are now permitted to reload their own ammunition if they have a valid permit for rifles and shotguns. Not bad for a place that is a quasi dictatorship and gun ownership is a pretty difficult feat.

Meantime here in a constitutional republic.....[Tumbleweeed rolls by]

http://kremlin.ru/acts/news/58057

gunny123

https://www.dw.com/en/reichsbürger-and-neo-nazis-infiltrating-thuringia-gun-clubs/a-40780750

Grizzly 45

I'd take Deutsche Welle about as seriously nowadays about anything related to firearms as believable as any other MSM outlet.IE not very...

Reichburger are about as believable and successful as the "Freemen of the land " types over here in Ireland and the UK with their claims. That they are infiltrating gun clubs is an utter nonsense,as it is not a proscribed organisation or belif in Germany. Lumping it in with neo-Nazism is just the German states way of claiming these are "right-wing extremists."

Also, contrary to much belief, being a neo-nazi is not illegal in Germany either. Disseminating openly the belief of holocaust denial,supporting Hitler and the Nazi ideals supporting or being a member of a proscribed neo-nazi organisation,or displaying the Hiller salute or Swastika is.
Thuringia, hardly surprising either...All the nutters come from there.

Grizzly 45

Here is a better article from the Frankfurter Allegemine on the Reich citizens in Hessen.

The trouble with these crackpots is that one of their own shot a policeman and two ambulance men a few years ago, and that they say they don't believe in the German Federal Republic...So how can they possess arms then under its laws??

Ergo, if you are going to ignore the state that registers your arms.It might be prudent not to go violently jabbing your thumb in its eye.Especially,going and wave your legally held guns around the place defending the national frontier of your front garden from the invading neighbours.

http://www.faz.net/aktuell/rhein-main/hessen-entwaffnet-reichsbuerger-15697969.html

Cass

A truly tragic accident and will most likely push those on the sidelines over whether to demand licenses for air rifles into the "yes" side.

Steve

Cass wrote: »

A truly tragic accident and will most likely push those on the sidelines over whether to demand licenses for air rifles into the "yes" side.

Different limits in UK. 7JME (I think) as opposed to 1JME here before it's considered a firearm.

Theory is 1JME cannot do harm or pierce (in theory) an eyeball.

Cass

I was referring to the UK as that is where this happened and as all air rifles/pistols must be licensed here the subject is moot from an Irish perspective.

Anything under 1 joule (0.75ft/lb) is a toy.

The legal limit in the UK is 12ft/lb (16 joules) for rifles and 6ft/lb (8 joules) for pistols. Anything under those limits are not classed as firearms and don't require licenses.

There has been a lot of debate recently about licensing them and this tragedy may just push those undecided over the line. I don't want to be the one that politicizes this and i won't offer an opinion either way as any outcome will have no effect on me. Its the reason i stuck my post in the off topic thread rather than in the main forum.

gunny123

In scotland, rab c sturgeon has already changed the law to make all airguns licencable.

Grizzly 45

Not that many are complying with it apparently.TBH it is scary to see despite them having many more shooters and organisations, how badly the UK is handling this whole proposed firearms legislation.

Watching this on a FB group, and while the message seems to be getting thru to some MP's about 50 cals and MARS rifles, shooters are getting back standardised replies about how "the police and military experts" think these rifles "could be" used by terrorists and criminals. Obvious as day that people who are ignorant on a topic are going to believe official "experts" rather than those affected.

Despite the fact that MARS rifles are ideally suited to some disabled shooters,it seems to fly over some wooden-headed MPs,especially those who support people with disabilities.

Nor are they being helped by their own side.BASC applauded the ban on "bump stocks" in the UK. Despite them having nothing legal in the UK to fire them with in the first place, and NO they won't work on .22 semi-autos.
If you have organisations like that...:rolleyes:

Worse the UK Fudds are out in force as well, calling for licensing of airguns in the UK after this tragedy. It seems Britan wants to get rid of just about everything firearm related in civillian hands these days too.

tac foley

Quote from the Hunts Post of July 25th 2018 - local rag for much of Northern Cambridgeshire - 'Newly-released figures from the Home Office show that that in March this year, there were 10,181 licensed firearms in the area [Cambridgeshire], up from 7,287 in 2009. The number excludes shotguns, which are licensed separately....an increase in 28%......3,022 valid firearms licenses in Cambridgeshire covered an average of 3.4 guns each...There were a further 29,883 licensed shotguns in the county - a slight decrease on a decade ago'.

tac

gunny123

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

It seems Britan wants to get rid of just about everything firearm related in civillian hands these days too.

I do believe you are correct about that, the trouble is though, you have London now with a higher murder rate than New York, and a lot of UK cities not far behind in terms of violent crimes, acid throwing (a three year old in a buggy the other day), stabbings, beatings, shootings etc, while the police's budgets have been cut to the bone.

There was one of these fly on the wall programmes on last week, in which they follow the police around, and they were clearly barely in control, some things like Burglaries, they simply don't get to on the day its reported, forensics only work 9-5, and if you are the victim of theft, you get a crime number for your insurance and thats the end of it.

The thin blue line is getting ever thinner, and thats why i reckon they are afraid of either civil unrest or people taking the law into their own hands.

gunny123

tac foley wrote: »

Quote from the Hunts Post of July 25th 2018 - local rag for much of Northern Cambridgeshire - 'Newly-released figures from the Home Office show that that in March this year, there were 10,181 licensed firearms in the area [Cambridgeshire], up from 7,287 in 2009. The number excludes shotguns, which are licensed separately....an increase in 28%......3,022 valid firearms licenses in Cambridgeshire covered an average of 3.4 guns each...There were a further 29,883 licensed shotguns in the county - a slight decrease on a decade ago'.

tac

Good to see you posting again Tac.

Grizzly 45

gunny123 wrote: »

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The thin blue line is getting ever thinner, and thats why i reckon they are afraid of either civil unrest or people taking the law into their own hands.

Hardly surprising as many of the UK police forces have lost the hearts&minds of the population years ago too.How could you support any force that is either orderd,or so politically indoctrinated to arrest people for displaying the Union Jack in their capital,but allows the religion of peace to go about with signs advocating beheading unbelievers.

Cass

Gavin Duffy throwing his hat into the ring for President. Already coming under fire for his role in hunting.

gunny123

This story would make a fantastic film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsvA0UkdRuw

Grizzly 45

Or this one? Would think there is enough stories out there to keep Hollywoo in business with original ideas for decades,without having to churn out CGI rich,pee poor storyline lunkers every year, or remakes of remakes.

gunny123

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/01/us/3d-guns-printing.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

Uinseann_16

gunny123 wrote: »

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/01/us/3d-guns-printing.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

Did he not win a massive lawsuit the beginning of last month against the state department how is a judge able to block it again despite him already winning in court? Its just delaying tactic i guess he'll win again

Cass

Seen on the news that he already published them online. It's done regardless of the court decision.

Grizzly 45

And it's not "all plastic" as wrongly claimed in the media.it still needs a steel barrel insert,and two or three steel pins for the trigger and hammer to work off.

Nekarsulm

His ideas about BitCoin and other Crypto-Currencies threatening a Governments ability to tax the citizen must worry the US more than the 3D printing of guns.

Grizzly 45

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtBzIPhwLZc

Uinseann_16

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtBzIPhwLZc

I dont own a shotgun but that clay range makes me wanna try clay shooting:P
Also it just hit me that simulator would be legal here since im pretty sure hes using a airsoft gun, which just stumps me as to why practical shooting is gone here when things like that would be ok :rolleyes: