Off Topic Chat. (MOD NOTE post# 3949 and post#5279)

Grizzly 45

clawback07 wrote: »

A president who slagged off those Patriots who risked life and limb in the service of their country , called them cowards and losers . I'm sure John Mc Cain and others who endured the horrors of being a P.O.W . might not agree with you Grizzly. I'm totally impartial when it comes to American politics but when a loudmouth who never stood in a frontline situation belittles heros it's time he politely went and f##ked himself .

I wasnt talking about the armed forces. I was talking about Republican voters who seem to make up 50 plus% of the US voting population.:)

Grizzly 45

Mellor wrote: »

Was it?
To be honest, I’ve never believed he said. Seems contrary to his opinion of the military. But I also don’t know how it could be debunked. The ongoing problem with fake news.
Biden is also clearly joking in that clip.

If we are referring to "The Atlantic's" article alleging this was said by Trump pre the D day commemorations in 2018. I doubt very much that John Bolton the National Security advisor fired by Trump would gain much by defending Trump and was present when those comments were supposedly made in France. Bolton has denied those comments being made by Trump.


Biden might have said that jokingly, but he clearly misread the room and his audience. You'll get away with that if you have been in uniform or are wearing one with a lot of brass on your shoulders. Armed forces will take that kind of banter from one of their own,or one who served. He has neither to his credit.

In fact for a lifeguard with hairy legs that he invited kids to touch apparently by his own admission and football player his excuse not to serve in Vietnam was "asthma";) But I won't hold it against him or Trump with his spurs, Or Clinton with his ROTC comission, everyone who could get out of the draft by any means did back then,it was just the Zeitgeist of the times.

Cass

clawback07 wrote: »

Gosh , I don't think I said he served in the military ,

Yet you criticize Trump for not doing so?

don't recall him belittling anyone who did either.

You do see the video? I just posted it. Right above. You quoted it.

Now i'm smart enough to know it was not meant as a serious insult or even an insult, but there is video of him saying something and i use common sense to understand the meaning.

You on the other hand have taken a proven fake story and regurgitated it as fact. The Trump allegation was first posted in a minor paper and they claimed "anonymous sources" as their source for the story, which was quickly debunked by 5 witnesses who attended the event where this fake and alleged incident took place.

Both his sons served , one in the Army and one in the Navy , or is that fake news ?

Yes actually. Its partially fake.

Beau served in the JAG corps with distinction and earning the Bronze star, but the crack head was "thrown out" after 30 days.

Grizzly 45

Cass wrote: »

Beau served in the JAG corps with distinction and earning the Bronze star, but the crack head was "thrown out" after 30 days.

So in perspective, he got a Bronze Star for being in a theatre of operation, not for actual combat.[Participation award] Being basically a lawyer in uniform as that is what the Judge Advocate General is, and a member of the National Gaurd....[Think regular army thoughts of the FCA by the power of 50,as to what the US regular forces think of NG...]

Its a safe bureaucrats army career. Or whats referred to as a REMF. Rear Echelon Mother F^&£$er

Cass

Ok that is petty.

He served and put his intelligence to use. Regardless of his Father or my thoughts on him i wouldn't diminish or dismiss anyone's service especially when i haven't served myself. He was an officer, Major iirc, and in the JAG corp his overseas service would include lawyer stuff (RoE, legal advice to superiors, on airstrikes, possibly article 32 hearings, etc).

Th Bronze Star is awarded for four or five reasons, not just going over the shooting stuff. My guess would be either meritorious achievement, or meritorious service. As its done in a combat zone, the Bronze Star is awarded.

Grizzly 45

Petty or not,it is unfortunately the truth.
Unless he had the "V" [Valour attachment ]he did not EARN it in combat he was awarded it. You can even be awarded this as a civilian. Ernst Hemingwayin ww2 and reporter Joe Galloway in Vietnam are the two most famous. Both earned "V" attachments.
There is no suggestion whatsoever that Beau was anywhere near actual combat at any time in his military records. He got this award[also the lowest in US military awards] for being in a "combat zone" which is mil speak for being in a country or area where there is an armed conflict involving US military forces.

Officers,[and it does seem to be a heavy officer award] who served their tour in Vietnam in Saigon, and never saw a foot of jungle in their entire service tour have this award aplenty.

Yes he served, no one can deny that, but put it in perspective. He wasn't exactly in a fox hole fighting off squads of Taliban with just a bayonet and Medal of Honour material. He was a legal eagle in uniform from the National Gaurd doing paperwork in the rear. Same as thousands of others in the armed forces rear echelons
.Just that their dad wasn't a vice president and a pretender to the office of president, and using his son's military career as something extraordinary.

Grizzly 45

Fox Business reports there is now a one Billion dollar backlog on ammo and a years wait.
So god knows how that will affect us here in the EU.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/vista-outdoors-ammunition-backlog-billion?fbclid=IwAR1Ryv_XSi0b6shF75K8iNWJhI6F3TGTLpF8MNH3GcDWgWDtgJQWzSCBPZU

tudderone

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Fox Business reports there is now a one Billion dollar backlog on ammo and a years wait.
So god knows how that will affect us here in the EU.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/vista-outdoors-ammunition-backlog-billion?fbclid=IwAR1Ryv_XSi0b6shF75K8iNWJhI6F3TGTLpF8MNH3GcDWgWDtgJQWzSCBPZU

I remember when obongo got elected in the US, ammo went scarce and expensive.

Cass

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Petty or not,

Fixed that for you.

Not going to entertain the rest of it. To try and poke holes in someone's service, to me, is petty. Simple as.

Mellor

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

If we are referring to "The Atlantic's" article alleging this was said by Trump pre the D day commemorations in 2018. I doubt very much that John Bolton the National Security advisor fired by Trump would gain much by defending Trump and was present when those comments were supposedly made in France. Bolton has denied those comments being made by Trump.

Yes I think it came from the Atlantic.
By point was that it’s very hard to prove something didn’t happen. You can’t have witnesses to a non-event. So these stories are hard to disprove.

I do believe Bolton’s version of events. He book was pretty scathing in how it painted Trump.
At one point he said that Trump asked if Finland was a part of Russia :pac:.

Feisar

Mellor wrote: »

Yes I think it came from the Atlantic.
By point was that it’s very hard to prove something didn’t happen. You can’t have witnesses to a non-event. So these stories are hard to disprove.

I do believe Bolton’s version of events. He book was pretty scathing in how it painted Trump.
At one point he said that Trump asked if Finland was a part of Russia :pac:.

The White Death says no!

tudderone

Feisar wrote: »

The White Death says no!

Why a film of his life has never been made is a mystery.

Grizzly 45

There is
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6698822/
Although looking at that title pic,I somehow doubt he was rocking what looks suss like an M14 in 1939! So i hope that's not a portent on the rest of the film!

I wouldn't be surprised about Trump asking about Finland being part of Russia. Americans aren't the most travelled bunch of people around.[Unless we are planning to invade or bomb the Hell out of it is seems] Not helped by their education system that seems to be going further downhill by the day on the core subjects.:(

Remember Dan Quayle stating that he wished he had studied Latin more so he could speak to people in their native laungauge in" Latin America"? While on a state visit to that part of the World?:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Grizzly 45

Mellor wrote: »

Yes I think it came from the Atlantic.
By point was that it’s very hard to prove something didn’t happen. You can’t have witnesses to a non-event. So these stories are hard to disprove.

I do believe Bolton’s version of events. He book was pretty scathing in how it painted Trump.
At one point he said that Trump asked if Finland was a part of Russia :pac:.

The trouble with the Atlantic article is because " unnamed witnesses" of this event are the primary evidence offered that it happened....Step up and disclose who,what,where,when,how,or it never happened.

tudderone

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

There is
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6698822/
Although looking at that title pic,I somehow doubt he was rocking what looks suss like an M14 in 1939! So i hope that's not a portent on the rest of the film!

I wouldn't be surprised about Trump asking about Finland being part of Russia. Americans aren't the most travelled bunch of people around.[Unless we are planning to invade or bomb the Hell out of it is seems] Not helped by their education system that seems to be going further downhill by the day on the core subjects.:(

Remember Dan Quayle stating that he wished he had studied Latin more so he could speak to people in their native laungauge in" Latin America"? While on a state visit to that part of the World?:rolleyes::rolleyes:

I remember a democrat years ago saying she was upset by the thoughts of the British army patrolling the streets of Dublin. About 80 years out of date she was.

Grizzly 45

tudderone wrote: »

I remember a democrat years ago saying she was upset by the thoughts of the British army patrolling the streets of Dublin. About 80 years out of date she was.

Common affliction in America in relation to the NI situation.;):rolleyes:
They seem to think we are a land stuck between "The wind that shakes the barley" or "Micheal Collins "With us still dressing up in fedoras, raincoats and carrying a Thompson to go shoot at the "Auxies" who are off burning down our farms. or The Devils own", or any other such Hollywood rubbish.:rolleyes:

Not helped either by the "plastic Paddy" contingent in American politics, who did enough to enable the NI conflict long enough by turning a blind eye to certain organisations arming and financing themselves on US soil along with the current pretender to the office, or his two predecessors of the Dem party...:rolleyes:

yubabill

Here's Sidney Powell bashing on again about Dominion Software and how it can flip votes between candidates; doesn't come up on Fox Business channel yet (from today 15 Nov), so linking to a youtuber who has uploaded a recording of it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJjCHMZDS30

yubabill

tudderone wrote: »

Why a film of his life has never been made is a mystery.

Nice documentary here, doesn't tell it all, but good overview (just watched it before coming here, coincidentally).

Guns n Ammo did a great article on him around the time of his death (2002), he may even have been alive at the time, if I remember correctly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvCrE5NCsts

tudderone

yubabill wrote: »

Nice documentary here, doesn't tell it all, but good overview (just watched it before coming here, coincidentally).

Guns n Ammo did a great article on him around the time of his death (2002), he may even have been alive at the time, if I remember correctly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvCrE5NCsts

Of course Stalin in a fit of paranoia, murdering half of his experienced officers was a great help to Finland and explains why a tiny country like Finland could see off a huge country like Russia.

Uinseann_16

Personally my shotgun cost 150 euro its a fabarm pump action and i use it like it was free:D

tudderone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhxuSEoFg1w

yubabill

not a mention on RTE, Euronews etc., but Poland and Hungary have actually vetoed the EU 7 year budget (the one Micheal M is giving a net 15Bn or so towards, after everything we receive).

This is nothing short of a crisis, but not a squeak from our not-fake-news national news broadcaster.

https://www.dw.com/en/poland-and-hungary-veto-eu-budget-plan/a-55618272

tudderone

yubabill wrote: »

not a mention on RTE, Euronews etc., but Poland and Hungary have actually vetoed the EU 7 year budget (the one Micheal M is giving a net 15Bn or so towards, after everything we receive).

This is nothing short of a crisis, but not a squeak from our not-fake-news national news broadcaster.

https://www.dw.com/en/poland-and-hungary-veto-eu-budget-plan/a-55618272

Yes seen that yesterday. There was a programme on in the past few weeks about life in the USSR, east Germany etc, in the run up to the fall of the wall in 1989. The Hungarians and poles can probably remember what it was like to live under a remote dictatorship.

You'll never see anything bad about the eu from RTE, i think they receive money from the EU, i know the BBC do.

tudderone

German minister resigns over pistol purchase from a far right supporter.

https://www.dw.com/en/german-state-minister-resigns-over-gun-purchase-from-right-wing-extremist/a-55636461

tudderone

The Chinese military using microwave pulse to defeat indian soldiers. Science fiction or science fact ?


https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/the-times/chinas-microwave-pulse-weapon-defeats-indian-troops-at-himalayan-border/news-story/4683263ed8d35b735f37cd57715877a5

BattleCorp

tudderone wrote: »

German minister resigns over pistol purchase from a far right supporter.

https://www.dw.com/en/german-state-minister-resigns-over-gun-purchase-from-right-wing-extremist/a-55636461

I'm missing something here. The Minister bought a gun from a gun dealer and has to resign due to the fact that the gun dealer has some dodgy political affiliations? Doesn't sound right to me.

If I was a Minister and bought a gun from TUDDERONE SHOOTING AND FISHING (a licenced dealer), and tudderone turned out to be a supporter of the KKK (just making this crap up sorry ), why in the name of God would I be expected to resign?

Munsterlad102

BattleCorp wrote: »

I'm missing something here. The Minister bought a gun from a gun dealer and has to resign due to the fact that the gun dealer has some dodgy political affiliations? Doesn't sound right to me.

If I was a Minister and bought a gun from TUDDERONE SHOOTING AND FISHING (a licenced dealer), and tudderone turned out to be a supporter of the KKK (just making this crap up sorry ), why in the name of God would I be expected to resign?

Ah who knows with modern politics, they’re probably going to get Merkel for who she buys the groceries from

tudderone

BattleCorp wrote: »

I'm missing something here. The Minister bought a gun from a gun dealer and has to resign due to the fact that the gun dealer has some dodgy political affiliations? Doesn't sound right to me.

If I was a Minister and bought a gun from TUDDERONE SHOOTING AND FISHING (a licenced dealer), and tudderone turned out to be a supporter of the KKK (just making this crap up sorry ), why in the name of God would I be expected to resign?

Its a sensitive subject over there for obvious reasons.

tudderone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyUB-DuxpUA

BattleCorp

tudderone wrote: »

Its a sensitive subject over there for obvious reasons.

I often wondered why they don't have a German version of 'Who do you think you are?" :pac::pac::pac: