Off Topic Chat. (MOD NOTE post# 3949 and post#5279)

tudderone

Cass wrote: »

Got half way through that video and stopped. This is a situation of their own making, both the range operators and the Government. One that was able to skirt by without licenses, certification and oversight and the other that, well, got away without having to provide the afore mentioned licenses, certifications and oversight.

Its a situation we don't have here because ranges are not only defined but have their very own part of the firearms Act and a whole SI to govern the setting up, running, licensing and legal requirements.

The thing is its a system that never caused any issues previously, then one twit decides to run a complete sh1t-show of a range, letting everyone else down. Its a system that the boy scouts use for instance. I believe years ago a lot of pubs, especially in rural parts of the UK, had a miniature rifle range attached.

Its like here, everyone got their centrefire pistols back, everything was sweet, then that sawn-off wannabe with his kilt, wolfhound and band of walts spoiled it for everyone.

Munsterlad102

tudderone wrote: »

The thing is its a system that never caused any issues previously, then one twit decides to run a complete sh1t-show of a range, letting everyone else down. Its a system that the boy scouts use for instance. I believe years ago a lot of pubs, especially in rural parts of the UK, had a miniature rifle range attached.

Its like here, everyone got their centrefire pistols back, everything was sweet, then that sawn-off wannabe with his kilt, wolfhound and band of walts spoiled it for everyone.

What do you mean by the sawn off wannabe? I haven't heard about that one, what happened?

tudderone

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

What do you mean by the sawn off wannabe? I haven't heard about that one, what happened?

Running a bodyguard training school here for complete planks who watch too many films. He was using legally held pistols.


https://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/The_Baron_of_Castleshort

Grizzly 45

Not to mind smack bang in the middle of the most anti-gun minister for justices constituency up in Co Louth.:mad:

Munsterlad102

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Not to mind smack bang in the middle of the most anti-gun minister for justices constituency up in Co Louth.:mad:

Speaking of ministers, what's Helen McEntee like for firearms?

tudderone

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Not to mind smack bang in the middle of the most anti-gun minister for justices constituency up in Co Louth.:mad:

And the git didn't even have to leave his desk. Walty O'walt strutting around getting fools throwing shapes and waving guns around was all the ammunition he needed to ban everything he wanted.

Coincidentally he wasn't the only one in the shooting world involved in Walting. Colin kenzie who many will remember as a writer in the "Shooting times" magazine appeared on the web with all sorts of outlandish military claims that were hot air.

https://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/Caubeen

Grizzly 45

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

Speaking of ministers, what's Helen McEntee like for firearms?

Unknown quantity...AFFIK didn't respond to the NARGC pre-election questionnaire last year?
Needs to be done more often, and with more publicity that questionnaire.

tudderone

13 dead and nearly a thousand new cases today, i see the virus is as bad as ever, if not worse.


https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/health/ireland-coronavirus-cases-deaths-statistics-19507678

Feisar

I’m running out of excuses, Santa brought me a Kestrel.

tudderone

George Blake one of the Cambridge spys has died in Moscow at 98. I wonder how many people suffered early deaths because of his treachery ?


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/26/george-blake-mi6-spy-cold-war-double-agent-dies-aged-98

tudderone

No visible change in the situation with covid for at least 6 months says Mehole Martin. So allowing for bluster and incompetence in general, 8 months ? 10 ? Will we be shooting next season even ?

Birdnuts

tudderone wrote: »

No visible change in the situation with covid for at least 6 months says Mehole Martin. So allowing for bluster and incompetence in general, 8 months ? 10 ? Will we be shooting next season even ?

Based on the Christmas period staying with the parents in North Kildare - fewer and fewer are paying any heed to many of the restrictions. I witnessed a house party next to my cousins place in Naas last night were at least 20 people were present in a 3 bed semi. To top it off at about 12am a taxi pulled up and out of the house emerged a very elderly man(at least in his 80s) with no face mask!!

tudderone

tudderone wrote: »

No visible change in the situation with covid for at least 6 months says Mehole Martin. So allowing for bluster and incompetence in general, 8 months ? 10 ? Will we be shooting next season even ?

I thought there could be shooting based on the NARGC court case. As long as it was within your county ect. Vermin, pheasant and that.

tudderone

Birdnuts wrote: »

Based on the Christmas period staying with the parents in North Kildare - fewer and fewer are paying any heed to many of the restrictions. I witnessed a house party next to my cousins place in Naas last night were at least 20 people were present in a 3 bed semi. To top it off at about 12am a taxi pulled up and out of the house emerged a very elderly man(at least in his 80s) with no face mask!!

I was in a well known shopping centre on christmas eve and social distancing :rolleyes: ? The place was jammed and while i was keeping my distance from people, others weren't. Found myself crammed on an escalator :mad:.

1,300 new cases in Ireland today, and two new strains doing the rounds.

tudderone

tudderone wrote: »

I was in a well known shopping centre on christmas eve and social distancing :rolleyes: ? The place was jammed and while i was keeping my distance from people, others weren't. Found myself crammed on an escalator :mad:.

1,300 new cases in Ireland today, and two new strains doing the rounds.

Whenever I'm out I avoid the lifts. Stick to the stairs. Good exercise and aviod anyone with the plague.

Grizzly 45

The Rifleman wrote: »

I thought there could be shooting based on the NARGC court case. As long as it was within your county ect. Vermin, pheasant and that.

That's why that court case was so critical. There is now a reference point for us AGS, and those gun owners who apparently had guns confiscated in Nov for being out breaking this curfew.

Grizzly 45

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

That's why that court case was so critical. There is now a reference point for us AGS, and those gun owners who apparently had guns confiscated in Nov for being out breaking this curfew.

I'm fed up now anyway with this anti gun bull****. I've been out shooting whenever I can since lockdown 5 is lifted and I'll continue onwards regardless of whatever lockdown level we are at as that is clear now.

Also, I've been looking up game recipes on youtube the past couple of weeks from rabbits to pigeons. I've gone from passive interest to full blown enthusiast these past few months.

Cass

tudderone wrote: »

I was in a well known shopping centre on christmas eve and social distancing :rolleyes: ? The place was jammed ............

Not taking a cheap shot at you but as you brought it up i'm using your post.

How many people do you think are at home saying the same thing about you and the others? My point being its like going to the beach and complaining there are too many people there when you're one of them.

As i said i'm not taking a pot shot at you because my beliefs on this whole situation are not in the mainstream so for the sake of not derailing this thread i'll keep them to myself.

I'll simply summarize it to this. People are fed up. We're in day 293 of the "14 days to flatten the curve".

1,300 new cases in Ireland today,.

Whenever the testing rate goes up the case numbers go up (shocker) and the news and media ram this down our throats until people get so fearful they not only follow the new laws (which no Government should have) but eventually turn on others for not following them as strictly.

The amount of people i see on social media not simply bemoaning others for not adhering to the rules in the strictest fashion but actively seeking to have these people doxed, and publicly shamed is appalling. It makes a mockery out of the "we're all in this together" which was never the case as the first lockdown taught us when everyone sold out their Granny to hoard as much jacks roll and food as possible leaving the more vulnerable without.

and two new strains doing the rounds

I'm not a denier of the virus. I believe it exists and that some suffer greatly, but the numbers do not support the story we see on the media. As for the new strain, the timing of when it appeared (after a vaccination breakthrough and when people either finally see and end to this or are no longer following the rules/laws) is "convenient".

Personal beliefs aside and not getting into an argument on the topic, but people are simply fed up. Lockdown after lockdown with the promise/guarantee of more has now pushed people to the point of finally pushing back.

tudderone

We all like looking through racks of guns, well i do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3kfaUW37_8

Grizzly 45

See the Watermelons want to bring back the water charges, courtesy of Malcolm Noonan...remember him and the deer licenses in Sept?
As well as stopping us burning turf, coal and wood in our fires out in the countryside.:mad:

Mehole Martin is pushing for the broadcasting charge to be brought in,to make sure total planks and wastes of space in RTE are kept in champagne, Columbian marching powder which is apparently in high use in RTE, and caviar.:mad:

Does anyone expect anything else from Fianna Failure /Watermelon combination in Govt? Waste your money and force the green agenda on all.

If you thought 2020 was a dumpster fire...2021 is gonna be a wild one!

tudderone

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

See the Watermelons want to bring back the water charges, courtesy of Malcolm Noonan...remember him and the deer licenses in Sept?
As well as stopping us burning turf, coal and wood in our fires out in the countryside.:mad:

Mehole Martin is pushing for the broadcasting charge to be brought in,to make sure total planks and wastes of space in RTE are kept in champagne, Columbian marching powder which is apparently in high use in RTE, and caviar.:mad:

Does anyone expect anything else from Fianna Failure /Watermelon combination in Govt? Waste your money and force the green agenda on all.

If you thought 2020 was a dumpster fire...2021 is gonna be a wild one!

Oh thanks a mill for that, thats cheered me up no end :mad:.

We used to have the open fires at home and got the oil fired central heating in. But the melons don't want the open fires, they don't like oil, so snookered on both fronts there. What do they want people to do ? Sit around at home in their overcoats, scarfs and winter boots ? Whats the "green" alternative ? Being kept warm by their own sense of smugness ?

The water charges ? Again why ? It was proven previously that was a quango set up for the benefit of cronies of the government, cushy jobs for the lads. I am not a radical or a leftie, but i got out and marched more than once against that sh1te.

Don't get me started on rte, the cringy tacky gameshows with the same wrinkled tired "celebs". The "Hard hitting" investigitive journalism, which usually involves a barely literate TD coming into the studios and having a puffed up presenter bill and coo at him. Rte needs to be privatised and anyone mentally deficient enough, or stupid enough to want to watch it can pay for it. I certainly won't.

FF/FF/Green/liebour are a bunch of twits and i'll never vote for any of them.

BattleCorp

tudderone wrote: »

FF/FF/Green/liebour are a bunch of twits and i'll never vote for any of them.

With that bunch ruled out, the alternative is just as scary. Or even worse.

tudderone

BattleCorp wrote: »

With that bunch ruled out, the alternative is just as scary. Or even worse.

I'll stay at home then, fckued if i would vote for any of them. I normally vote for an independent anyway.

Grizzly 45

FUN article.

** CHRISTCHURCH SHOOTING: WHY THE SECRET? ***
Over one year ago, the #massshooting at the #Christchurch mosque in #NewZealand prompted a massive change in the local gun laws, resulting in the ban and confiscation of thousands of #firearms owned by countless #lawabiding #sportshooters and #hunters who never had anything to do with the #massacre or the #terrorist who perpetrated it. In a few cases, Christchurch shooters who helped dig the graves for the dead and to tend to the wounded saw SWAT teams raid their homes to confiscate their legally owned #guns.
As we wrote back in the day, and as you all probably know, the mass confiscation turned into a blunder. It was no wonder for us: rejecting the concept of "collective responsibility" that drove the intentions of #JackbootJacyndaArdern and her leftist government – a concept which goes against all international law! – scores of legal gun owners simply refused to turn in their property.
As by the old law most of the now-prohibited firearms weren't registered, and since gun sales registries in shop can only go back to so much, it will be nigh-impossible for the New Zealand Police to track them all back, and their owners will just sit on them waiting for a new government to undo this massive and liberticide #cluster****.
But that's nothing you don't know already. We've already discussed this catastrophic boondoggle in 2019.
The Christchurch shooting was once again making headlines last week, as nzherald.co.nz – one of New Zealand's most authoritative newspapers – reported that evidence given by ministers and public sector bosses to the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Christchurch terrorist attack, as well as their final report, will be kept secret for 30 years, and an interview with the author of the shooter will never be released "out of concern it could inspire and assist further attacks" (https://tinyurl.com/InqSec1).
If it sounds familiar to you, that's because it is. After the 1996 Dunblane shooting – which prompted a ban on handgun ownership in the United Kingdom – the report of the inquiry commission on the tragedy was placed under 100-year closure (https://tinyurl.com/InqSec2).
Same happened in Australia, after the 1996 Port Arthur shooting, which led to a full ban on semi-automatic long guns, followed by a ban on pump-action shotguns and on many handguns (https://tinyurl.com/InqSec03).
What we are writing right now is definitely enough for the #mainstreammedia to scream "conspiracy theory" (https://tinyurl.com/InqSec04), but it's undeniable that all three shootings saw the conclusions of the inquiry commissions covered by an iron shroud of secrecy and were rapidly followed by the passing of strict gun bans – which were too well-written and too quickly submitted for approval to have been laid down hastily in the hours or days following those tragedies.
Another thing those shootings have in common is the strong suspect that the death toll could be avoided outright or at the very least mitigated, were not for errors or omissions of the relevant Authorities and Police forces.
The authors of the Dunblane, Hungerford, Port Arthur, Aramoana and Christchurch shooters had all, at a certain point, been reported to the Police by members of their family or other acquaintances due to erratic behaviour or mental state, and law enforcement had been asked to revoke their gun licenses.
Many tend to believe that those shootings were used as "Trojan horses" to pass gun control laws that had long been ready and waiting for what former Australian Prime Minister and chief gun grabber John Howard would refer to as "A serious incident to persuade people". Like another gun grabber, American democrat Rahm Emmanuel, eminently put it: "Never let a good crisis go to waste".
Politically and morally speaking, that's a despicable behaviour – but, alas, one we're used to: gun grabbers are quick to accuse us to "exploit" tragedies to ask for laxer gun laws, just as quick as they are to exploit tragedies on their own to ask for more restrictions on our gun rights (https://preview.tinyurl.com/InqSec5).
Letting such a tragedy happen by omission so to have an excuse to pass a gun control law – potentially a restrictive law whose roots lay more in ideology than in the real needs of public safety, and that as such wouldn't otherwise be passed by Parliaments or even gain popular support – would be more than despicable: it would be criminal, borderline high treason.
At the end of April, 2020, a man known to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police for his erratic state of mind and his criminal past, armed with illegally-sourced firearms, killed 23 people in Nova Scotia in the course of two days (https://tinyurl.com/InqSec06); Canada's National Firearms Association and many others maintain to date that the tragedy could have been avoided (https://tinyurl.com/InqSec08).
And yet, just days after the shooting, the Liberal Party of Canada | Parti libéral du Canada and the #TrudeauGovernment announced the ban of more than 1500 modern sporting rifles, carbines, and shotguns (https://tinyurl.com/InqSec7en) and is now looking for a private company to contract for a mandatory buyback.
In July 2020, it was announced that an inquiry will be launched on the Nova Scotia shooting (https://tinyurl.com/InqSec9). Will this report be swept under the carpet of State secret as well?
How many draconian gun control laws – all aimed at able-bodied, sane-minded, law-abiding gun owners, none aimed at madmen, criminals and terrorists – are lying in wait in secret Government archives all over the world, ready to be taken out and passed hastily in the wake of tragedies that weren't avoided because an excuse was needed to disarm citizens?
ACT TOGETHER, FEEL FREE AND MAKE CHANGES

tudderone

I do know some of the parents of the children murdered at Dunblane were demanding to know what had happened and why there was a 100 year limit on the files being opened to the public. There was comments that it may have been something to do with a Paedophile ring involving Hamilton and senior people in the police and government in Scotland. Similar things said about the role of the freemasons. Whats the truth ? I doubt we will ever know.

tudderone

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

See the Watermelons want to bring back the water charges, courtesy of Malcolm Noonan...remember him and the deer licenses in Sept?
As well as stopping us burning turf, coal and wood in our fires out in the countryside.:mad:

Mehole Martin is pushing for the broadcasting charge to be brought in,to make sure total planks and wastes of space in RTE are kept in champagne, Columbian marching powder which is apparently in high use in RTE, and caviar.:mad:

Does anyone expect anything else from Fianna Failure /Watermelon combination in Govt? Waste your money and force the green agenda on all.

If you thought 2020 was a dumpster fire...2021 is gonna be a wild one!

Its on the front of the Indo, some new big noise in the melons reckons the government isn't going to run its course, as the melons know they will be decimated come the election if they stick with it.

Grizzly 45

tudderone wrote: »

I do know some of the parents of the children murdered at Dunblane were demanding to know what had happened and why there was a 100 year limit on the files being opened to the public. There was comments that it may have been something to do with a Paedophile ring involving Hamilton and senior people in the police and government in Scotland. Similar things said about the role of the freemasons. Whats the truth ? I doubt we will ever know.

The files were released about 10 years ago under duress of public knowledge. Now the conspiracy theory crowd will of course say,they were the least of the files and that in some dank dark basement in Whitehall probably under the box holding the holy grail, and next to the map to the secret Nazi bases in the South pole... there is a file on Hamilton being involved with the Masons, and padeo rings and Prince Phillip and all the rest.

The mundane files certainly showed gross police incompetence in handling Hamiltons licenses and that it was well known in Dunblane that he was a nonce and had been booted out of gun clubs as well as youth groups.

I suspect that exactly like Christchurch and Tasmania and Canada.It was more gross incompetence and system failures by those in authority in charge of licensing, not responding to the radar blips and causing major embarrassment that had to be hidden to protect the state, than any sort of sinister plot of the international organisation of CRUD to take over the World.

tudderone

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

The files were released about 10 years ago under duress of public knowledge. Now the conspiracy theory crowd will of course say,they were the least of the files and that in some dank dark basement in Whitehall probably under the box holding the holy grail, and next to the map to the secret Nazi bases in the South pole... there is a file on Hamilton being involved with the Masons, and padeo rings and Prince Phillip and all the rest.

The mundane files certainly showed gross police incompetence in handling Hamiltons licenses and that it was well known in Dunblane that he was a nonce and had been booted out of gun clubs as well as youth groups.

I suspect that exactly like Christchurch and Tasmania and Canada.It was more gross incompetence and system failures by those in authority in charge of licensing, not responding to the radar blips and causing major embarrassment that had to be hidden to protect the state, than any sort of sinister plot of the international organisation of CRUD to take over the World.

The official secrets act shouldn't be there to hide the blushes of a senior policeman though. He fcuked up big time and on the money of the taxpayers. He should have been named and sacked (i believe he ended up in a senior role in New Zealand and took his own life with a pistol, ironically). Hamilton was investigated on 4 separate occasions, being brought in for question over a dozen times for his behaviour at gun clubs and kiddy fiddling in boys clubs. If his FAC was revoked or not renewed, i doubt he would have been successful in getting it back in court.

As for conspiracy theories, it was a conspiracy 40 years ago that there were Irish catholic bishops covering up sexual abuse of children, or even committing abuse themselves. It was also a conspiracy that Prince Andrew knocked around with some very unsavoury people like Maxwell and Epstein, but he is now wanted for questioning in two or three countries.

Grizzly 45

Indeed,but until someone comes put and says "I was involved in this and I have evidence" these stories remain in the realms of "unprovable conspiracy theories"

Like some are just totally unbelievable because of the number of people involved that would have to keep quiet forever. IE 9/11 and the WTC was a controlled explosion arranged by GWB and Israel or the moon landings were on a Hollywood backlot.Or the entire JFK saga.

So unless one of these abuse victims fesses up and says "Hamilton pimped me out to the local Masonic lodge when I was 10 and Price Phillip was there with XYZ celebs." it's heresay.
THAT is the critical difference with the church abuse scandals, Epstein and Weinstein etc. Someone spoke up!

tudderone

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Indeed,but until someone comes put and says "I was involved in this and I have evidence" these stories remain in the realms of "unprovable conspiracy theories"

Like some are just totally unbelievable because of the number of people involved that would have to keep quiet forever. IE 9/11 and the WTC was a controlled explosion arranged by GWB and Israel or the moon landings were on a Hollywood backlot.Or the entire JFK saga.

So unless one of these abuse victims fesses up and says "Hamilton pimped me out to the local Masonic lodge when I was 10 and Price Phillip was there with XYZ celebs." it's heresay.
THAT is the critical difference with the church abuse scandals, Epstein and Weinstein etc. Someone spoke up!

Well there is much more to the JFK killing than a random nutter with a pos carcano trying his luck.