Arsenal vs Man City- FA Cup Semi Final

Quazzie

monkey9 wrote: »

The linesman ruling out that City goal.

Arsenal were robbed of a clear cut penalty.

Wenger should really announce his contract extension in the morning, it's best things are gonna be at Arsenal for the foreseeable.

Trigger

The Talking Bread wrote: »

I am calling it, Pep won't win a single trophy in his (most probable) 3 seasons at City.

But he will change the landscape of English football forever

The Talking Bread

Andersonisgod wrote: »

I counted 3 different systems for prolonged periods of the 120 minutes. What was your count?

1.
And then a few shuffle rounds of players that didn't work. Wouldn't call it system alterations by any stretch.

What is your take?

HalloweenJack

Andersonisgod wrote: »

You gotta question how, having spent so much money in the last few years, the game changing subs available to Guardiola are Fernando, Delph and Iheanacho. That's shocking and barely even relegation standard.

Whatever about Fernando and Delph but Iheanacho has a good sight for goal and is exactly the type of player you want to come on in a game like this. He's got a great footballing brain and is a fairly clinical striker for someone so young.

Andersonisgod

Andersonisgod wrote: »

FA Cup finalists and Champions League regular team.

Fantastic giggles on a Majestic Sunday

Andersonisgod

HalloweenJack wrote: »

Whatever about Fernando and Delph but Iheanacho has a good sight for goal and is exactly the type of player you want to come on in a game like this. He's got a great footballing brain and is a fairly clinical striker for someone so young.

I'm not overly convinced about him for a team that aspires to to level with Barca, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich. The other two are just ridiculous. I accept there's injuries but even so, that's the stuff of comedy.

The Talking Bread

astradave wrote: »

But he will change the landscape of English football forever

Until a completely different manager (less glorified, no doubt!) arrives and resorts to the type of football that wins you trophies in England!

The Talking Bread

M!Ck^ wrote: »

No trophy for the most expensive team
And it's game on now in the league

So when does Pep start getting a bit of criticism?

I'm surprised at Arsenal for showing some bottle but deserve to go through

Judge him not now, but when he gets a half a billion worth of transfer funds and wins the League Cup! (Or at least makes the final)

Andersonisgod

The Talking Bread wrote: »

1.
And then a few shuffle rounds of players that didn't work. Wouldn't call it system alterations by any stretch.

What is your take?

I would certainly call them formation alterations. I do think having to sub Silva and move De Bruyne inside limited him a bit though but I think too often when English pundits say "Plan B" their just talking about sticking a big lad up top and hoofing it to him. I think there's more than just 2 ways to play football.

The Talking Bread

Andersonisgod wrote: »

I would certainly call them formation alterations. I do think having to sub Silva and move De Bruyne inside limited him a bit though but I think too often when English pundits say "Plan B" their just talking about sticking a big lad up top and hoofing it to him. I think there's more than just 2 ways to play football.

Elaborate then on the 3 systems. Putting players in different positions but more or less playing down the same avenues is what I saw? The dynamics didn't alter much and the results of the changes certainly aren't evident.

Andersonisgod

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Elaborate then on the 3 systems. Putting players in different positions but more or less playing down the same avenues is what I saw? The dynamics didn't alter much and the results of the changes certainly aren't evident.

Well I think that inevitably by changing the positioning of the players the avenues also change. When he switched to De Bruyne as the false 9 that was an obvious difference in approach as Sane and Sterling came inside more and looked more willing to run into space behind centre backs. The 3rd was just all out attack with 2 at the back and Clichy high, Sane inside him and Iheanacho leading the line.

I'm not saying the systems worked, though certainly they made some great chances but didn't finish them. But saying he didn't try things isn't a valid criticism.

Sand

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Fair play to Arsenal. City missed too many big chances again. You gotta question how, having spent so much money in the last few years, the game changing subs available to Guardiola are Fernando, Delph and Iheanacho. That's shocking and barely even relegation standard.

It's very hard for Guardiola to work his magic at City. He is used to having vastly better players on the bench than the opposing team has on the field.

Andersonisgod

Sand wrote: »

It's very hard for Guardiola to work his magic at City. He is used to having vastly better players on the bench than the opposing team has on the field.

That's not really true but you probably know that. His methods take time to implement, signs have been there this season of what's to come and it's very promising. None of the other top 6 clubs are bringing on players as poor as Fernando, Delph and Iheanacho to change a big game. It's a sad indictment of the mismanagement of the City first team in the last few years.

The Talking Bread

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Well I think that inevitably by changing the positioning of the players the avenues also change. When he switched to De Bruyne as the false 9 that was an obvious difference in approach as Sane and Sterling came inside more and looked more willing to run into space behind centre backs. The 3rd was just all out attack with 2 at the back and Clichy high, Sane inside him and Iheanacho leading the line.

I'm not saying the systems worked, though certainly they made some great chances but didn't finish them. But saying he didn't try things isn't a valid criticism.

I disagree (naturally!)

You see what you see!

I also don't think, although you will inevitably disagree, he has formed a strong personal bond with the players. There seems to be a line. This was different to Barca.
Look at Klopp, how much he is getting out of his players, ditto Poch and Mourinho has a different approach, but it is personal. Wenger is losing this also with this current team, no surprise they often seem "tired" on the pitch.

Those Liverpool players would go through a brick wall for their manager, Pep just doesn't seem to fire up his players.

Same at Bayern. There was a certain detatchment and he just didn't have an animated presence on the touchline. Ancelotti seems to have a different personality.

Andersonisgod

The Talking Bread wrote: »

I disagree (naturally!)

You see what you see!

I also don't think, although you will inevitably disagree, he has formed a strong personal bond with the players. There seems to be a line. This was different to Barca.
Look at Klopp, how much he is getting out of his players, ditto Poch and Mourinho has a different approach, but it is personal. Wenger is losing this also with this current team, no surprise they often seem "tired" on the pitch.

Those Liverpool players would go through a brick wall for their manager, Pep just doesn't seem to fire up his players.

Same at Bayern. There was a certain detatchment and he just didn't have an animated presence on the touchline. Ancelotti seems to have a different personality.

Haha you called it right. I will disagree! From what I read, he's very professional in his conduct but, over time, his players do warm to him. Dozens of examples of genuine shows of affection for him from his players. I don't think he's as extroverted as Klopp and maybe that might lead to some thinking he's too detached but from all accounts I've come across he's a coach the vast majority of his players will go to war for.

Sand

Andersonisgod wrote: »

That's not really true but you probably know that. His methods take time to implement, signs have been there this season of what's to come and it's very promising. None of the other top 6 clubs are bringing on players as poor as Fernando, Delph and Iheanacho to change a big game. It's a sad indictment of the mismanagement of the City first team in the last few years.

I agree with you. Arsenal managed to get a 10-2 result against Bayern Munich over two games a few weeks back. You cant expect Guardiola to work miracles with a team as limited as Manchester City.

GavRedKing

See you in the final gooners.

The Talking Bread

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Haha you called it right. I will disagree! From what I read, he's very professional in his conduct but, over time, his players do warm to him. Dozens of examples of genuine shows of affection for him from his players. I don't think he's as extroverted as Klopp and maybe that might lead to some thinking he's too detached but from all accounts I've come across he's a coach the vast majority of his players will go to war for.

Divulge! I'm talking here at City

Andersonisgod

Sand wrote: »

I agree with you. Arsenal managed to get a 10-2 result against Bayern Munich over two games a few weeks back. You cant expect Guardiola to work miracles with a team as limited as Manchester City.

I feel like you got that wrong...

And for the sake of my mental health I'm gonna discontinue this conversation with you now.

Andersonisgod

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Divulge! I'm talking here at City

Well I was gonna use examples from Barca and Bayern Munich. It's tougher to get City one's because of the timeframe thus far and because City is a more difficult club to get stories from. Off the top of my head, Sterling and Jesus have talked about him in glowing terms and how he's dealt with the Stones stuff has been exemplary.

irishman86

Andersonisgod wrote: »

I can't reiterate enough how much I love Guardiola.

I missed the game, at the play ground so have to ask why ?

irishman86

Andersonisgod wrote: »

I'm not overly convinced about him for a team that aspires to to level with Barca, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich. The other two are just ridiculous. I accept there's injuries but even so, that's the stuff of comedy.

Like the previous poster I agree with Delph/Fernando, but Iheanacho could become something very special. Id rate him as high as 99% of the 20 year olds around

Quazzie

irishman86 wrote: »

I missed the game, at the play ground so have to ask why ?

I think at the time AIG posted that, PG was walking around in a nice jumper, talking to his players. This was enough to drive AIG over the edge and forced the display of man-love you witnessed

KaiserGunner

Andersonisgod wrote: »

FA Cup finalists and Champions League regular team.

Just have to requote this.

irishman86

Quazzie wrote: »

I think at the time AIG posted that, PG was walking around in a nice jumper, talking to his players. This was enough to drive AIG over the edge and forced the display of man-love you witnessed

Oh right I thought I missed a big moment

batistuta9

Andersonisgod wrote: »

That's not really true but you probably know that. His methods take time to implement, signs have been there this season of what's to come and it's very promising. None of the other top 6 clubs are bringing on players as poor as Fernando, Delph and Iheanacho to change a big game. It's a sad indictment of the mismanagement of the City first team in the last few years.

Who's in charge of that, bergeristien & some other ex barca lad?

Including this one city's last three seasons have been shocking for the money spent.

Andersonisgod

batistuta9 wrote: »

Who's in charge of that, bergeristien & some other ex barca lad?

Including this one city's last three seasons have been shocking for the money spent.

Txiki Begiristain would oversee the transfer dealings. They've not gone well. There's been gems like De Bruyne, Sane, Gundogan and Jesus but equally far too many duds, far too many key areas not addressed, too many older players allowed tp stagnate for too long.

PhlegmyMoses

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Txiki Begiristain would oversee the transfer dealings. They've not gone well. There's been gems like De Bruyne, Sane, Gundogan and Jesus but equally far too many duds, far too many key areas not addressed, too many older players allowed tp stagnate for too long.

If 3 of your 4 gems are two unproven young lads and a talented but ultimately injury ravaged Gundogan, you're not really doing great. I'll give you De Bruyne, but they had to pay top dollar for him.

adox

Shame to see the trouble outside the ground.

Jayop

Where's that reported?

Trigger

Jayop wrote: »

Where's that reported?

There is a few videos on twitter. Nothing major tbh a few digs here and there but the majority of fans steered clear of it

https://twitter.com/pintsandpyro/status/856257142038433793

https://twitter.com/mademanjama/status/856239301742473216

adox

Jayop wrote: »

Where's that reported?

Few videos up on twitter of fights outside Wembley. Not widespread but fighting in fron of kids, police involved etc. Not nice.