Ban children from Pubs ?

Andy From Sligo

I think all under 18's should be banned from pubs or any establishment that serves alcohol on the premises come to think of it, like restaurants etc if they sell drink

- what do reckon? - too severe or do you agree?

gitzy16v

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

I think all under 18's should be banned from pubs or any establishment that serves alcohol on the premises come to think of it, like restaurants etc if they sell drink

- what do reckon? - too sever or do you agree?

No way,
where will we get our future professional pool and darts players from?

Andy From Sligo

gitzy16v wrote: »

No way,
where will we get our future professional pool and darts players from?

where will we get our future children growing up and thinking drink is the norm and that you tie in alcohol with having a good time? ...

listermint

Prohibition works.

Your method worked for decades of bad attitudes to alcohol in this country.



Sound idea, lets go through with it...............

Jack the Stripper

If I ever run a pub I'll ban you Andy.

eoinzy2000

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

where will we get our future children growing up and thinking drink is the norm and that you tie in alcohol with having a good time? ...

Do you not take your kids out for pub grub/restaurants Andy, maybe after a day on the beach? Instead of cooking?
Im pretty sure the loss of trade would be damaging, and im pretty sure nanny state is not the way to change attitudes to drink.

Andy From Sligo

listermint wrote: »

Prohibition works.

Your method worked for decades of bad attitudes to alcohol in this country.



Sound idea, lets go through with it...............

i take that as sarcasm? - but I am not normally very good at 'getting people' a lot of the time ..

Stephen15

Really restaurants whatever about pubs but reataurants? Am I reading things do people actually think that.

Andy From Sligo

when adults go out for a quiet drink (or rowdy drink) do they really want kids around anyway? - especially young children, that get bored and run around etc..?

and is it right for children (especially young children) to witness adults getting legless or even if not staggering drunk, putting so much drink away ... and witness to the language used down the pub?

Andy From Sligo

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

If I ever run a pub I'll ban you Andy.

why? - i am not under 18

Beyondgone

I agree. I'd ban them from everywhere, including my home. Kids. Always effort. Ought to be banned. Who let them into the pub anyway?

eoinzy2000

Stephen15 wrote: »

Really restaurants whatever about pubs but reataurants? Am I reading things do people actually think that.

No they dont. Andy just posing a question. I go into pubs with the kids for food reasonably often. Generally dont drink, water with food maybe. Its like blaming the system for not raising your children right. Wrong line of attack. Banning kids would mean loss of trade, jobs etc when what needs to be taught is social culpability and correct attitudes to alcohol. Not ban ban ban.
Kids watch too much youtube and play on computers. Ban the internet for under 18s etc.

Junkyard Tom

*Morgan Freeman voice*

We sat and drank with the sun on our shoulders and felt like free men. Hell, we could have been tarring the roof of one of our own houses. We were the lords of all creation. As for Andy - he spent that break hunkered in the shade, a strange little smile on his face, watching us drink his beer because we took it off him the big killjoy.

Noveight

The children who drink in my local always start looking for fights once they've had 5 or 6. Just last week one of them chinned my friend Dave, ruined his 40th birthday.

I'd love to see them banned.

Andy From Sligo

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

where will we get our future children growing up and thinking drink is the norm and that you tie in alcohol with having a good time? ...

Drink is the norm so why hide them from it?

Andy From Sligo

Stephen15 wrote: »

Really restaurants whatever about pubs but reataurants? Am I reading things do people actually think that.

well I'm toying with the thought - just want to get others opinions.

Why not get it banned across the board so everyone knows where they stand?

If you want a family restaurant environment take your children to Mc D's or burger king ... if you want adult meal (where drink is served) go to a restaurant that sells alcohol? - I cannot see a problem .. is there one?

s4uv3

ffs :rolleyes:

twowheelsonly

Under your proposal the only restaurants you could probably bring kids to would be the likes of McDonalds and BurgerKing etc...

Sure what could go wrong !!!

What about drinking at home ? Ban them from the family home ?
"Sorry kids, we're having wine with the Christmas dinner..... out to the shed with ye....."

eoinzy2000

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

when adults go out for a quiet drink (or rowdy drink) do they really want kids around anyway? - especially young children, that get bored and run around etc..?

and is it right for children (especially young children) to witness adults getting legless or even if not staggering drunk, putting so much drink away ... and witness to the language used down the pub?

You must drink in some pure dives Andy. Kids a always well asleep by the time that stuff happens. Most pubs have NO KIDS AFTER 9 policy anyway, except for family functions, which are an exception. By the sound of the holes you frequent, id say there are kids smokin joints and skullin jaegers goodo

ceadaoin.

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

well I'm toying with the thought - just want to get others opinions.

Why not get it banned across the board so everyone knows where they stand?

If you want a family restaurant environment take your children to Mc D's or burger king ... if you want adult meal (where drink is served) go to a restaurant that sells alcohol? - I cannot see a problem .. is there one?

The problem is that socialising in pubs and restaurants is part of Irish culture. It's not just for adults. Family meals take place in those places whether to celebrate a special occasion or just to have a meal out for no particular reason or to watch a sporting event. You're talking about changing the whole culture just because a handful of people want to get hammered during the day in peace. I'm sure there are plenty of bars that cater to that kind of clientele so why should children be excluded from society in such a way? Also, We would have a whole generation of people with no idea how to behave in an actual restaurant once they turn 18.

They are already banned from pubs after a certain time aren't they? Seems to be working fine

eoinzy2000

Anyhoo Andy, I think you are finding peoples opinions pretty one-sided here, which should give a good indication of the general consensus. You asked if your idea is excessive or extreme. I think its extremely excessive. Bordering on insane. I dont want a nanny state. The fact that you think a government ban is a good way of changing peoples attitudes or a fine way of developing good parenting skills is quite worrying. Quite simply, its not. Its a bad idea. Educate, not ban.

Andy From Sligo

eoinzy2000 wrote: »

Do you not take your kids out for pub grub/restaurants Andy, maybe after a day on the beach? Instead of cooking?
Im pretty sure the loss of trade would be damaging, and im pretty sure nanny state is not the way to change attitudes to drink.

have done in the past yeah, they are grown up now - they were well behaved, never run up and down aisle or anything, stayed in their seats so they did ... I know that makes me sound like I am blowing my/our own trumpet but thats just how it was.

Thinking/looking back now they would have witnessed drunks and people drinking and things getting a bit on the wild side and really if i had a chance to do things again it would have been better to go to a family friendly burger place or something or family restaurant where alcohol wasnt served. - had this been a law, it would have been taken out of my hands and there wouldnt have been a choice.

What one place looses as trade another place will pick up by pushing a 'family friendly restaurant' not serving alcohol ... or why dont someone 'try' a pub without alcohol, .. why not think out of the box - a family friendly 'pub' looking place but without alcohol, just alcohol free drinks and pop and cordials etc .. - I suppose someone has already thought of that though..

howiya

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

well I'm toying with the thought - just want to get others opinions.

Why not get it banned across the board so everyone knows where they stand?

If you want a family restaurant environment take your children to Mc D's or burger king ... if you want adult meal (where drink is served) go to a restaurant that sells alcohol? - I cannot see a problem .. is there one?

Really stretching the definition of restaurant by including McDonald's and Burger King

Atlantic Dawn

I think if the establishment serves food children should be allowed on the premises, if no food is served they should be banned. After 6pm they should be banned either way.

Andy From Sligo

twowheelsonly wrote: »

Under your proposal the only restaurants you could probably bring kids to would be the likes of McDonalds and BurgerKing etc...

Sure what could go wrong !!!

What about drinking at home ? Ban them from the family home ?
"Sorry kids, we're having wine with the Christmas dinner..... out to the shed with ye....."

ah well you see youve touched on the 'its not perfect' a bit like, lets ban cigarette advertising on TV but its OK to have children around people that smoke - or why is alcohol legal but some recreational drugs not, but thats extensive subject that needs to be discussed fully, but at least it goes a way maybe to 'steer' children in the right direction that you dont need drink to enjoy yourself or have a good time.

You didnt mention Weddings there and communions/confirmations

nullzero

You should move to England, they're all for that no kids in pubs stuff over there, that and absolutely poisonous pints of bitter.

s4uv3

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

.. or why dont someone 'try' a pub without alcohol, .. why not think out of the box - a family friendly 'pub' looking place but without alcohol, just alcohol free drinks and pop and cordials etc .. - I suppose someone has already thought of that though..

Why not give it a go yourself? An alcohol free pub, I can see that making a solid fortune...

pangbang

Liquify the kids out back in an economy size blender from argos.....more drink to go around, more food from the pulpy bits, less noise, still get to bring them with you, don't have to take them home, no danger of the little ones getting the wrong idea about drink. Sorted.

Thelomen Toblackai

They (and their parents) should be banned if they aren't kept under control.

Nothing more annoying when you're having a few drinks or a meal than young lads running around the place off their heads on lucozade.

Andy From Sligo

eoinzy2000 wrote: »

Anyhoo Andy, I think you are finding peoples opinions pretty one-sided here, which should give a good indication of the general consensus. You asked if your idea is excessive or extreme. I think its extremely excessive. Bordering on insane. I dont want a nanny state. The fact that you think a government ban is a good way of changing peoples attitudes or a fine way of developing good parenting skills is quite worrying. Quite simply, its not. Its a bad idea. Educate, not ban.

by educate do you mean "you see that nasty nasty man over there bumping into tables and using very bad language? - he is a very, very naughty man! and that's not the right way to behave!"

Andy From Sligo

s4uv3 wrote: »

Why not give it a go yourself? An alcohol free pub, I can see that making a solid fortune...

I dunno LOL - it could bomb as well .. if I go to bank and tell them I want money to open up a pub in town ... but not sell any alcohol in it will they laugh at me? ... or call the men in white coats?