The Amazing 12 - My experience

Alf Veedersane

I can get you a gig modelling jocks on O'Moore St, NW.

Naturally, I'll be getting 20% and the bag of bananas but you know what they say, out of little acorns...

So to speak.

Zillah

Mellor wrote: »

I'm not surprised there was no ab work. The results are down to getting lean. I'd imagine all big liftsburn a lot more energy than ab work.

Ab work is for strong ab. I don't think there's as much scope for putting mass on them though.

I've gotten crazy lean before and my stomach is just flat, very little visible definition between the muscle sections. They definitely need some work. Maybe there is a genetic component in terms of how pronounced your abdominals can get, I don't know. I'll certainly try and focus on engaging my core more during big lifts.

Blacktie.

Zillah wrote:

I've gotten crazy lean before and my stomach is just flat, very little visible definition between the muscle sections. They definitely need some work. Maybe there is a genetic component in terms of how pronounced your abdominals can get, I don't know. I'll certainly try and focus on engaging my core more during big lifts.

Same. I don't think compounds do it enough at all. But I'm also too lazy for an work. Ah well.

LuckyLloyd

How could heavy Squats, presses and Deads not build out your core, particularly for people who have lifted for a while and presumably built up their capability on same.

Mellor

Zillah wrote: »

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I've gotten crazy lean before and my stomach is just flat, very little visible definition between the muscle sections. They definitely need some work. Maybe there is a genetic component in terms of how pronounced your abdominals can get, I don't know. I'll certainly try and focus on engaging my core more during big lifts.

It's not that you can't add mass to abs. It's just that it's proportionally less than you can add to other muscle groups.
Plus when you take the max lean mass you can add in a year, the subset that you can add to abs isn't a lot.

How lean is crazy lean? 12%? 8%?
Different people will expose their abs at different levels of leanness.
I'd have thought that as long as they were there, you could expose them if you were lean enough.

Brian?

Mellor wrote: »

Zillah wrote: »

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I've gotten crazy lean before and my stomach is just flat, very little visible definition between the muscle sections. They definitely need some work. Maybe there is a genetic component in terms of how pronounced your abdominals can get, I don't know. I'll certainly try and focus on engaging my core more during big lifts.

It's not that you can't add mass to abs. It's just that it's proportionally less than you can add to other muscle groups.
Plus when you take the max lean mass you can add in a year, the subset that you can add to abs isn't a lot.

How lean is crazy lean? 12%? 8%?
Different people will expose their abs at different levels of leanness.
I'd have thought that as long as they were there, you could expose them if you were lean enough.

Agreed. I spend a lot of time at a gymnastics club, not in a creepy way, and I've seen plenty of super lean kids with prominent six packs. They haven't exactly piled on the muscle, but the leanness means the muscle there is very well defined.

My own 6 year old son has a quality 6 pack on the go.

Conversely I have a very very strong core, and I assume well built in muscle mass, but it's hidden under my jolliness.

Blacktie.

LuckyLloyd wrote:

How could heavy Squats, presses and Deads not build out your core, particularly for people who have lifted for a while and presumably built up their capability on same.

Beats me man but I got pretty lean with what I'd consider alright lift numbers and just had the outline happening. No clear six pack at all. This was 9.5% bodyfat by calipers.

Zillah

Mellor wrote: »

It's not that you can't add mass to abs. It's just that it's proportionally less than you can add to other muscle groups.
Plus when you take the max lean mass you can add in a year, the subset that you can add to abs isn't a lot.

How lean is crazy lean? 12%? 8%?
Different people will expose their abs at different levels of leanness.
I'd have thought that as long as they were there, you could expose them if you were lean enough.

Well, crazy lean might be a slight exaggeration, but I've been 9/10%. I've a very strong core, that's not the issue, and I can see that I've added mass to the area, but they just don't pop out individually; they seem to grow as a unit.

Alf Veedersane

Pull tight and see dem abs pop.

That's the only way I'm getting abs

Zillah

But...why would you want abs that you have to hide under clothes? Schrodinger's Six Pack.

PowerToWait

Zillah wrote: »

Well, crazy lean might be a slight exaggeration, but I've been 9/10%. I've a very strong core, that's not the issue, and I can see that I've added mass to the area, but they just don't pop out individually; they seem to grow as a unit.

If you're 9% you'll see abs clearly defined, no question. Probably fairly defined intercostal as well. Like, they're there, or else you couldn't stand or sit straight or do most things you take for granted.

Blacktie.

Zillah wrote:

But...why would you want abs that you have to hide under clothes? Schrodinger's Six Pack.

You don't you wear it before popping your top off for 5 seconds while the imprint is still there

Alf Veedersane

Zillah wrote: »

But...why would you want abs that you have to hide under clothes? Schrodinger's Six Pack.

Put on shirt.
Jump into hot water.
Get into tumble dryer for maybe 20 minutes.

Et voila, shirt will have shrunk to show abs.

Blacktie.

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Put on shirt.
Jump into hot water.
Get into tumble dryer for maybe 20 minutes.

Et voila, shirt will have shrunk to show abs.

Isn't this part of the intro session when you first join a gym?

Alf Veedersane

Blacktie. wrote: »

Isn't this part of the intro session when you first join a gym?

I was wearing the Batman suit Michael Keaton wore when I had my intro so they might have skipped that bit.

SB_Part2

Does anyone know of anywhere on the north side of Dublin that does this?

Zillah

SB_Part2 wrote: »

Does anyone know of anywhere on the north side of Dublin that does this?

Surely you can arrange hot water and a tumble dryer at home?

Mr. CooL ICE

By the end, what were your general energy levels like? Were you completely drained and fatigued or feeling fine?

SB_Part2

Zillah wrote: »

Surely you can arrange hot water and a tumble dryer at home?

The emersion is broken.

roosterman71

Is this programme just available in Dublin or where else can it be done?

Nervous Wreck

Nicolas Cage wrote: »

By the end, what were your general energy levels like? Were you completely drained and fatigued or feeling fine?

From about week 3, my energy levels were better than they've been in almost 10 years. Wrecked by about 9:30/10pm but that's cos I was up since 5:45am cos I chose the morning class.

roosterman71 wrote: »

Is this programme just available in Dublin or where else can it be done?

Other places too. Google.

Alf Veedersane

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

From about week 3, my energy levels were better than they've been in almost 10 years.

Do you think that was largely down to much cleaner eating?

How many days a week will you be training now?

Blacktie.

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

From about week 3, my energy levels were better than they've been in almost 10 years. Wrecked by about 9:30/10pm but that's cos I was up since 5:45am cos I chose the morning class.



Other places too. Google.

I'd like to know what your weight settles at now that the program is over and you won't be on such a strict diet regime. Considering once you bring back you're regularish eating habits there'll be more bloat foods.

Nervous Wreck

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Do you think that was largely down to much cleaner eating?

How many days a week will you be training now?

Cleaner eating, consistent training and taking vitamins were all big contributing factors I reckon. Also just seeing results was energising!

I'm currently in Florida on holidays so, when I get back in a few weeks, im gonna ride out May in Flyefit. My plan was to go back to ISP in June and go to 4 sessions a week but I think I'll just do 5 tbh. Mon-Tues and Wed-Sat probably. At the time, I was looking forward to scaling back a bit but now I'm really missing daily training!

Nervous Wreck

Blacktie. wrote: »

I'd like to know what your weight settles at now that the program is over and you won't be on such a strict diet regime. Considering once you bring back you're regularish eating habits there'll be more bloat foods.

Between 68.5 and 69.5. I was expecting to go back up to about 71 so I'm delighted with where it is.

That said, as above, I'm in Florida right now and I'm gonna eat ALL the pancakes so I'll have some course correcting to do when I get home...!

Alf Veedersane

Did you find your 'diet' restrictive in terms of the range of foods and going forward (I hate myself for using those two words together) would you be happy to keep it largely the same with maybe a change in quantities?

Nervous Wreck

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Did you find your 'diet' restrictive in terms of the range of foods and going forward (I hate myself for using those two words together) would you be happy to keep it largely the same with maybe a change in quantities?

I didn't but I'm a very plain eater so others probably would notice that more. Like I don't eat spices, herbs, sauces etc so plain chicken for example doesn't phase me.

I'll be keeping things mostly the same but possibly eating a little less tbh. I spent a FORTUNE on steak...

Alf Veedersane

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

I didn't but I'm a very plain eater so others probably would notice that more. Like I don't eat spices, herbs, sauces etc so plain chicken for example doesn't phase me.

I'll be keeping things mostly the same but possibly eating a little less tbh. I spent a FORTUNE on steak...

Nice! Plain enough eater myself though more so that a lack of variety has never bothered me.

And thanks for making me want steak now

Blacktie.

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

I didn't but I'm a very plain eater so others probably would notice that more. Like I don't eat spices, herbs, sauces etc so plain chicken for example doesn't phase me.

I'll be keeping things mostly the same but possibly eating a little less tbh. I spent a FORTUNE on steak...

Ah would not be for me. Have to have spices and herbs on nearly everything I eat. That's all the flavour! I think I'd fail massively on the traditional chicken and rice bodybuilder diet