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Manchester United vs Swansea Bt sport 1 @ 12:00
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Andersonisgod wrote: »I seem to gave upset you verbal bread. I didn't want that to happen. All of this talk about frauds, spin and anti-Mourinho agendas isn't normally like you. I wont go too deep down this hole because this feels like it might be a touchy subject for you and I don't wanna cause any distress.
They've gone unbeaten...yes, but they are 5th. I can't think of any less impressive prolonged unbeaten run than Man Utd's.
It's the Europa League. A competition Mourinho has very publicly derided a few times and a competition he has used to attack other coaches for winning. With the squad at his disposal and the relatively eeak field in the competition this year it'd be quite something if they didn't win it.
Freakish injuries, no more over the course of the season than other clubs. And no other coach has the riches in quality cover that Mourinho does.
He's gotten the best out of Zlatan? Yes he's had an excellent season, but you make him sound like a charity case rather than one of the top 10 players in world football, when was the last time he didn't have a 20 goal season?
I lol'ed at the other descriptions. His handling of Rashford and Shaw has been bixarre. Mkhitaryan only needed rejuvenating because of how Mourinho treated him in the first place, he arrived at Man Utd as one of the most complete attacking players in world football. Martial has, if anything, gone backwards under Mourinho in some respects and looks devoid of confidence most of the time. Fellaini is flourishing but he is key to so much of what Mourinho wants this Man Utd side to be.
You don't need to be a 3 year old with remarkable reading ability to see that Mourinho's only success this season is lowering the expectation of the Man Utd fanbase to such a degree that challenging for 4th and maybe winning tge Europa League is a success and doing it all while playing dire football with the best, and most expensive, squad in England.
I think you are interpreting what I mean about Zlatan wrong to be honest. I would like to see anyone's opinion from last Summer anticipating that Zlatan would contribute as much as he has. In fairness Zlatan has been shown up many times this season but Jose has a very special relationship with him and has kept him firmly on his toes, mentality wise. For you to contemplate that you have to tell me of his talents is silly. And, may I ask you, would you still consider him in the "top 10 players in world football" bracket, just out of curiosity.
Re Mkitharyan, I agree, there was a wierd relationship at the start of the season with him and Jose was impatient with him a lot of the time but on further analysis it is clear that he did take a few months to settle into English football and now he is settling very well. If he was, as you said, in your over enthused manner one of the most complete attacking players in world football, it is laughable to think that Jose could neutralise him so quickly. There was clearly other issues rather than simply not getting enough game time and he did not impress for the most part when he did get opportunities until December. He certainly didn't impress upon many that haven't seen much of him before this season as a player to be considered "one of the most complete attacking players in world football". Of course that is Mourinho's fault.
Yet when Aguero has been poor, as many others have been during the season for City not ONCE have you laid any sort of blame on Pep, not once.
It is shocking you can't see the bias.
Similarly with Rashford and Martial, again there were times that it seemed to the untrained eye that he was being considerably harsh on them. This is Rashford's first proper full season and he has, with a few setbacks and an unusual goalscoring barren spell, gradually maintained the gallop he started last Spring and is a stunning talent. It is not easy to do that with a player with such expectations and it is clear he is a better player now than last Spring. Obviously with age and experience that will happen but it also requires proper management.
Look at Mata, Valencia, Fellaini, Herrera, Rojo, even Jones and Darmian. All performing better under him than many expected. Carrick has also had an excellent season, considering he is approaching 36 years of age.
I mention Mata as many expected him to be sold or be a bench warmer but Jose has, and not that he deserves great credit for it, acknowledged how important a player he is.
Martial has been a strange one for me and I understand the criticism he got for his game management of the player who clearly is a prodigious talent but I think he is incrementally trying to discipline him to the plans he has for the team. Again, like you did with Jose on his comeback season at Chelsea or this season with Pep, and as I am sure you have done with Klopp and will do with whoever takes over at Barca next season, why can't you allow him this season to give him the benefit of the doubt that such players will be proven to have been subjected to the necessary discipline needed to challenge for a title in an extremely competitive 5 fold of teams (ommitting, perhaps a tad harshly, Arsenal)
Again, because you are making a special case for Jose.
Man Utd don't get a result: Jose's fault
Barca don't get a result: Enrique's fault
Man Utd get a result: Go into your shell
Barca get a result: "Over exuberant Messi adulation "
Man City/Liverpool/Barca don't get a result: players fault (no reference to management)
Man City get a result : Pep is a genious. He is building a team, give him time!
"Freakish injuries, no more over the course of the season than other clubs. And no other coach has the riches in quality cover that Mourinho does."
I want you to elaborate on this point, back it up
And so what if it is the Europa league and he has, in his trolling manner, slagged it off previously. It is now a competition where to win it assures you of Champions League football and for Jose to abandon past "beliefs" (or mere trolling) and put his best into achieving the rewards, that in the past, didn't merit such an effort, he should be given some applause. If they get Champions League through that avenue, that is good and sensible management. It certainly does not fall into your "woeful" management accusation!
The Europa League for a team like United means moreso the Champions League ticket and Jose has acknowledged this. Would you prefer if he sustained the supposed opinion he had before and not put effort into it?
I don't quite get your point on this??
I am sure you will spin it a bit though.
As I explained already, the unbeaten record is blighted by draws but I have also mentioned (and you may need an update as I anticipate you didn't watch many of these) many of those draws featured aspects arguably out of his hands such as multiple missed chances (if Aguero missed so many chances, not Peps fault so why is it Joses fault), some excellent defensive play and backs to the wall defending.
Players like Zlatan were missing sitters, Pogba must have hit the woodwork a dozen times.
So for many of those draws, the score doesn't tell you the full story.
Also your last paragraph doesn't quite equate to the original point I pulled you up on, ie your agenda based opinion that Jose had a "Woeful season"
But I guess ignorance is bliss.
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