Buckingham Palace emergency meeting?

FrancieBrady

maryishere wrote: »

Our hospitals here ****s up big time and the buck did not stop at the big man. And in the cases of endemic and widespread abuse you mention, like the magdalene laundries and the clerical abuse and the babies being buried by nuns in septic tanks, the blame did not reach or stop with the top man either.

So therefore the notion of royalty is OK? :rolleyes:
Mary is here, sense is not.

Larbre34

Im a bit late to the party today due to being very unwell for 48 hours, but can I say that screenshot of an RIP.ie search for "Forename: Queen Elizabeth Surname: Windsor " cheered me up no end. After Hours priceless.

neverever1

Jawgap wrote: »

Well actually no. You really seem to be struggling with the concepts involved and to differentiate between the sovereign's role and the executive's role. I'm not sure I can make the explanation any simpler so I'll just leave it there.

Do I think she should apologise? No, because as the symbolic head of the Armed Forces, any apology would be just that.....symbolic.

I'd prefer the apology to come from the PM, flanked by the Secretary of State for Defence and the Chief of the Defence Staff.......you know, the people who's predecessors in office actually issued the orders? The office in question should be held to account.

But, hey, if it quietens the shrill mouth breathing 'RA heads down, then Lizzy should just go for it and apologise, but it would be letting the political establishment off too easily.......

You forgot, the commander in chief of the British armed forces was here! She had the opportunity to apologise and she didn't. We invited her over and she insulted us all, especially the victims families. Apparently you have to be a RA head to want some decency and contrition from the head of an armed forces that caused misery here.

FrancieBrady

Jawgap wrote: »

Well actually no. You really seem to be struggling with the concepts involved and to differentiate between the sovereign's role and the executive's role. I'm not sure I can make the explanation any simpler so I'll just leave it there.

Do I think she should apologise? No, because as the symbolic head of the Armed Forces, any apology would be just that.....symbolic.

I'd prefer the apology to come from the PM, flanked by the Secretary of State for Defence and the Chief of the Defence Staff.......you know, the people who's predecessors in office actually issued the orders? The office in question should be held to account.

But, hey, if it quietens the shrill mouth breathing 'RA heads down, then Lizzy should just go for it and apologise, but it would be letting the political establishment off too easily.......

The PM has apologised and will continue to as those NOT deluded by pomp and majesty and their inferiority complexes search for the truth. Irish people lined the very streets of a city it is alleged her Majesty's forces colluded in bombing waving flags while her forces buried the files deeper.

It is the way 'royalty' is meant to work on the 'inferior' by the way.

maryishere

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So therefore the notion of royalty is OK? :rolleyes:

Many countries have royalty, for example Spain and many of the European countries. Do not let your bigoted hatred of the British get in the way of that.

FrancieBrady

maryishere wrote: »

Many countries have royalty, for example Spain and many of the European countries. Do not let your bigoted hatred of the British get in the way of that.

Not reading threads again before wading in Mary? :rolleyes:

maryishere

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Not reading threads again before wading in Mary? :rolleyes:

I did actually read the thread and caught you out yet again Francie

Not very good at this, are you?

Jawgap

neverever1 wrote: »

You forgot, the commander in chief of the British armed forces was here! She had the opportunity to apologise and she didn't. We invited her over and she insulted us all, especially the victims families. Apparently you have to be a RA head to want some decency and contrition from the head of an armed forces that caused misery here.

Well again I think you're forgetting that like President Higgins it's the government who dictate what she does and doesn't say.

I didn't feel insulted so that kind of undermines the argument that she "insulted us all" but hey-ho don't let that get in the way of your indignation.

Jawgap

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The PM has apologised and will continue to as those NOT deluded by pomp and majesty and their inferiority complexes search for the truth. Irish people lined the very streets of a city it is alleged her Majesty's forces colluded in bombing waving flags while her forces buried the files deeper.

It is the way 'royalty' is meant to work on the 'inferior' by the way.

You know if you that in a Jarry Adams type accent it sounds like something from Scrap Saturday.........Christ I'm showing my age

FrancieBrady

Jawgap wrote: »

You know if you that in a Jarry Adams type accent it sounds like something from Scrap Saturday.........Christ I'm showing my age

Wanna know how you sound? Conor Cruise always springs to mind when I read your posts.

FrancieBrady

The

maryishere wrote: »

I did actually read the thread and caught you out yet again Francie

Not very good at this, are you?

So which bit of 'I think the notion of royalty anywhere is obscene' did you not grasp?

neverever1

Jawgap wrote: »

Well again I think you're forgetting that like President Higgins it's the government who dictate what she does and doesn't say.

I didn't feel insulted so that kind of undermines the argument that she "insulted us all" but hey-ho don't let that get in the way of your indignation.

No, Higgins has apologised for things the government has done in the past. As the commander in chief she should have apologised, that's the fact of the matter.

Ok, I'll rephrase. She's insulted anyone who cares about the victims of the British forces murder campaign and their families.

Jawgap

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Wanna know how you sound? Conor Cruise always springs to mind when I read your posts.

Haven't a clue where he was born, but I doubt it was anywhere near where I grew up Although, I think like me he went to Trinity, but I wouldn't have accent you'd associate with it

Jawgap

neverever1 wrote: »

No, Higgins has apologised for things the government has done in the past. As the commander in chief she should have apologised, that's the fact of the matter.

Ok, I'll rephrase. She's insulted anyone who cares about the victims of the British forces murder campaign and their families.

well, then that's that settled. Well done.......

......As for the second part......how do you know?

maryishere

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The

So which bit of 'I think the notion of royalty anywhere is obscene' did you not grasp?

You actually wrote in post no 252:

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So therefore the notion of royalty is OK? :rolleyes:

Get your facts right and stop telling your lies again.

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neverever1 wrote: »

So we agree, she's commander in chief! Now do you not think she should have apologised for her forces murder campaign? Why not?

I refer you to her visit, the things she said and did.

FrancieBrady

maryishere wrote: »

You actually wrote in post no 252:


Get your facts right and stop telling your lies again.

What?

The notion of royalty is not unique to GB, it is obscene anywhere where it bestows privilege.


So what bit of that is troubling you?

maryishere

Agustin Whispering Poplar wrote: »

I refer you to her visit, the things she said and did.

She went and nodded at a memorial to those who were considered terrorists in their day...a small minority of people compared to the hundreds of thousands of people who worked in the war effort and for fought for these islands against the Germans, who had invaded and raped little Catholic Belgium, among other things.
Some would be of the opinion 100,000 Irish soldiers turned in their graves when she nodded in respect to a few hundred partisans / guerillas / terrorists / freedom fighters / call them what you want.

FrancieBrady

Jawgap wrote: »

Haven't a clue where he was born, but I doubt it was anywhere near where I grew up Although, I think like me he went to Trinity, but I wouldn't have accent you'd associate with it

Nothing to do with place of birth or accent, more mindset actually. If it where accent, I hear John Bruton.

Beyondgone

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Nothing to do with place of birth or accent, more mindset actually. If it where accent, I hear John Bruton.

I'm going to the chippers Francie. Want anything brought back? Bag of chips for the other shoulder? I fancy a battered sausage. BRB.

Jawgap

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Nothing to do with place of birth or accent, more mindset actually. If it where accent, I hear John Bruton.

ah here, now I am insulted.......suggesting I've an accent like a Meath man

.....and if you want to know my political mindset, it's more in line with Fitzer than anyone else.......and at least he went to school near why I lived......even if he didn't pick up the local patois

maryishere

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The notion of royalty is not unique to GB,

I already told you that. I wrote"Many countries have royalty, for example Spain and many of the European countries."

FrancieBrady wrote: »

it is obscene anywhere where it bestows privilege.

Your hatred of the British and their Royal family is legendary, why have you not criticised the royal families of other European countries? Bear in mind Royalty also brings in tourism revenue and is considered good value for money by many taxpayers in the countries which have it. Hence they do not want to give it up.
Now, off with ye and crib about Spains or Denmarks royal family for a change.

FrancieBrady

maryishere wrote: »

She went and nodded at a memorial to those who were considered terrorists in their day...a small minority of people compared to the hundreds of thousands of people who worked in the war effort and for fought for these islands against the Germans, who had invaded and raped little Catholic Belgium, among other things.
Some would be of the opinion 100,000 Irish soldiers turned in their graves when she nodded in respect to a few hundred partisans / guerillas / terrorists / freedom fighters / call them what you want.

Royalty, they will just do what's expedient for them. And the flag wavers swallow it again again and again.

Jawgap

Beyondgone wrote: »

I'm going to the chippers Francie. Want anything brought back? Bag of chips for the other shoulder? I fancy a battered sausage. BRB.

Well seen as we've spent all evening talking about Phil the Greek and his disappointing habit of not dying, can you get me some pitas and tzatziki, with extra lemon and vinegar, an appropriately bitter dish seems to be the order of the day

FrancieBrady

maryishere wrote: »

I already told you that. I wrote"Many countries have royalty, for example Spain and many of the European countries."



Your hatred of the British and their Royal family is legendary, why have you not criticised the royal families of other European countries? Bear in mind Royalty also brings in tourism revenue and is considered good value for money by many taxpayers in the countries which have it. Hence they do not want to give it up.
Now, off with ye and crib about Spains or Denmarks royal family for a change.

I have criticised 'royalty' everywhere from my entrance to the thread. The thread is about a member of the British royalty. Why is it a surprise that British royalty is prominent.


I take my hatred of British royalty being 'legendary' as a huge compliment, thanks so much, my work has not been in vain.

maryishere

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Royalty, they will just do what's expedient for them.

In Spain, Greece, Denmark, Sweden and lots of other countries too.

Here we have little "whats his name" Higgins who costs our taxpayers more than the Royal family costs UK taxpayers. His pay is even double that of the Spanish Prime Minister. "Banana Republic", as Geldof said.

FrancieBrady

Jawgap wrote: »

Well seen as we've spent all evening talking about Phil the Greek and his disappointing habit of not dying, can you get me some pitas and tzatziki, with extra lemon and vinegar, his an appropriately bitter dish seems to be the order of the day

you have used as much Greek as Philip knows, he turned his back on Greece just like some of his family eschewed their German links. He fought some of his in laws during his arduous 'career' too. Royals, expedient to the last the world over.
He found a 'felt hole' as they say here.

*felt as in the cloth.

FrancieBrady

maryishere wrote: »

In Spain, Greece, Denmark, Sweden and lots of other countries too.

Here we have little "whats his name" Higgins who costs our taxpayers more than the Royal family costs UK taxpayers. His pay is even double that of the Spanish Prime Minister. "Banana Republic", as Geldof said.

We elect 'Higgins' on his merits as an individual. If you don't like him you can have a say. No comparison.

Jawgap

FrancieBrady wrote: »

you have used as much Greek as Philip knows, he turned his back on Greece just like some of his family eschewed their German links. He fought some of his in laws during his arduous 'career' too. Royals, expedient to the last the world over.
He found a 'felt hole' as they say here.

*felt as in the cloth.

you seem to know a lot about him......for someone you suggest you despise

I have no idea how much, if any, Greek he speaks. I'm also happy to continue to refer to him in disparaging terms rather than use his proper first name.......

maryishere

FrancieBrady wrote: »

We elect 'Higgins' on his merits as an individual.

And most people would not cross the road to see the little ******, certainly no foreigners anyway. Waste of money, when he pays himself double what the Spanish Prime Minister earns for doing a proper job (and Spain is a much larger economy too). Great pension too for the little f***, and all his predecessors and hangers on.

FrancieBrady

maryishere wrote: »

And most people would not cross the road to see the little ******, certainly no foreigners anyway. Waste of money, when he pays himself double what the Spanish Prime Minister earns for doing a proper job (and Spain is a much larger economy too). Great pension too for the little f***, and all his predecessors and hangers on.

You OK there?

Cortina_MK_IV

maryishere wrote: »

And most people would not cross the road to see the little ******, certainly no foreigners anyway. Waste of money, when he pays himself double what the Spanish Prime Minister earns for doing a proper job (and Spain is a much larger economy too). Great pension too for the little f***, and all his predecessors and hangers on.

I'm getting a funny feeling that you don't like him.

FrancieBrady

Jawgap wrote: »

you seem to know a lot about him......for someone you suggest you despise

I have no idea how much, if any, Greek he speaks. I'm also happy to continue to refer to him in disparaging terms rather than use his proper first name.......

I don't despise him, I despise the notion of monarchy/royalty. But carry on with the trite notions of chips on shoulders and your love of a world where nothing is important to stand against if you happen to want to wave a wee union jack and do down a supposed shinner.
Pathetic. Conor Bruton.

maryishere

Our taxes pay for snobby little ****** to live the high life at our expense in the Park, and in retirement with their hangers on afterward. I'm more pissed off at the bad value for money they give rather than the good value for money foreign royals provide.

FrancieBrady

Cortina_MK_IV wrote: »

I'm getting a funny feeling that you don't like him.

It's Mary logic. You criticise something in Britain, it's Irish equivalent gets it in the neck.

bodice ripper

maryishere wrote:

And most people would not cross the road to see the little ******, certainly no foreigners anyway. Waste of money, when he pays himself double what the Spanish Prime Minister earns for doing a proper job (and Spain is a much larger economy too). Great pension too for the little f***, and all his predecessors and hangers on.

No one should feel this strongly about Michael D. Seek help.

maryishere

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I despise the notion of monarchy/royalty.

Off ye go despising Spanish or Greek or Danish or Swedish monarchy so, instead of cribbing hundreds of times about British royalty.

bodice ripper

maryishere wrote:

Our taxes pay for snobby little ****** to live the high life at our expense in the Park, and in retirement with their hangers on afterward. I'm more pissed off at the bad value for money they give rather than the good value for money foreign royals provide.

What's the six letter word here? Can we not say bollox? Surely didn't call him a snobby little ******?

maryishere

bodice ripper wrote: »

No one should feel this strongly about Michael D.

I have put Michael D in context in one or 2 posts. Francie has posted hundreds of times about people in other jurisdictions who we do NOT pay our taxes to support.

FrancieBrady

maryishere wrote: »

Off ye go despising Spanish or Greek or Danish or Swedish monarchy so, instead of cribbing hundreds of times about British royalty.

I criticised royalty everywhere on a thread about British royalty. You have been wittering on in a personal way about an individual - Michael Higgins, who is not a royal.

maryishere

bodice ripper wrote: »

What's the six letter word here?

leftie. Because he is anything but, although he claims to be. The Irish who went and made a success of themselves in America had a laugh at Higgins uniquely praising Fidel Castro not so long ago.

maryishere

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I criticised royalty everywhere on a thread about British royalty.

No you do not, your hatred for the British and the British Royalty is not comparable to anything to have said about other royalty.

bodice ripper

maryishere wrote:

leftie. Because he is anything but, although he claims to be. The Irish who went and made a success of themselves in America had a laugh at Higgins uniquely praising Fidel Castro not so long ago.

What a weird response.

Why would leftie be censored?

FrancieBrady

maryishere wrote: »

No you do not, your hatred for the British and the British Royalty is not comparable to anything to have said about other royalty.

I hate the British royal family and royal families everywhere. Correct.
A child would deduce that from a consistent statement saying 'I hate the notion of royalty in this day and age'.

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FrancieBrady wrote: »

I hate the British royal family and royal families everywhere. Correct.
A child would deduce that from a consistent statement saying 'I hate the notion of royalty in this day and age'.

Fair enough not liking the concept of a monarchy, but what did royal families around the world ever do to you?

FrancieBrady

bodice ripper wrote: »

What a weird response.

Why would leftie be censored?

I sniff a backpedal.

maryishere

I never said he was censored or not, who cares about the eejit. As I said, "most people would not cross the road to see the little ******, certainly no foreigners anyway. Waste of money, when he pays himself double what the Spanish Prime Minister earns for doing a proper job (and Spain is a much larger economy too). Great pension too for the little f***, and all his predecessors and hangers on."

bodice ripper

maryishere wrote:

I never said he was censored or not, who cares about the eejit. As I said, "most people would not cross the road to see the little ******, certainly no foreigners anyway. Waste of money, when he pays himself double what the Spanish Prime Minister earns for doing a proper job (and Spain is a much larger economy too). Great pension too for the little f***, and all his predecessors and hangers on."

Yeah, but what is the censored six letter word. It's not leftie, it's not bollox, what is it?

maryishere

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I sniff a backpedal.

sez the backpeddler who hates all royalty everywhere in the world but who only posts hundreds of tiimes cribbing about the British and their Royalty.:D

maryishere

bodice ripper wrote: »

Yeah, but what is the censored six letter word. It's not leftie, it's not bollox, what is it?

some have called him a waster;)