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Insect Overlord wrote: »Go on then, humour me. What "type" of person am I? Get the rest of your buddies to make suggestions as well instead of all just thanking each other.
I dont need to thank anyone i don't even know the OP, i just find it funny the actions of a mod on a thread discussing amongst many things moderation.
As i have said already you have barely contributed other than attacking the OP.0 -
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Jurgen Klopp wrote: »Wibbs, you seem to have un - boards like values....
Not really J*. Maybe more old style Board's "values"? Discussion should be all, including if not especially uncomfortable discussions. I personally prefer to read views from people I would vehemently disagree with then those who echo my own. Consensus, especially any sort of led/blindly followed consensus gives me an itch TBH.
*Politically I'm in the middle, though these days the US framed "alt-right" would likely consider me a Communist, while the similarly US framed "liberal" would likely consider me a Fascist. Good on both scores, as both are increasingly farcical and divisive.Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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Not really J*. Maybe more old style Board's "values"? Discussion should be all, including if not especially uncomfortable discussions. I personally prefer to read views from people I would vehemently disagree with then those who echo my own. Consensus, especially any sort of led/blindly followed consensus gives me an itch TBH.
Good point, Wibbs. However, is this what people as a whole really want though? Looking at how discussion on Facebook pan out, pages link like-minded people so that you end up with lots of like-whoring with bits of trolling here and there.*Politically I'm in the middle, though these days the US framed "alt-right" would likely consider me a Communist, while the similarly US framed "liberal" would likely consider me a Fascist. Good on both scores, as both are increasingly farcical and divisive.
Indeed. I'm a rabid free market libertarian desperate to implement a socialist agenda apparently. I'm reminded of Lloyd George's advice to then governor of Jerusalem Sir Ronald Storrs who was despised by both Jews and Arabs, "Well, if either side stops complaining, you'll be dismissed."The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.
Leviticus 19:34
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Aye, but it would be my humble that in order for sites like Boards to survive and maybe thrive is to not try to emulate a watered down ArseBook, RedTit and the like. I genuinely believe in time people will tire of the echo chambers. It's boring when all around you agree.ancapailldorcha wrote: »Good point, Wibbs. However, is this what people as a whole really want though? Looking at how discussion on Facebook pan out, pages link like-minded people so that you end up with lots of like-whoring with bits of trolling here and there.
I reckon I've seen hints of this boredom already in a few one sided echo chamber sites/pages/groups I've seen. They don't tend to last too long, only to be replaced pretty rapidly with another, until that too tapers off.
There may be a demographic component too. So what the 18-25 year old crowd want will be different to what the 35-50 year old group want. Both bring their own vibes along of course. The former tend to be more mental flexible, but trend driven, whereas the latter tend to be mentally stiffer(unless they continually stretch their mental muscle and most IME don't) and dislike loud noises.
There is a place for non echo chambers. IMH they're vital and a site like Boards can be that and mostly is, though for me there is too much of the beige middle management corporate creep happening of late. Over modding being but one symptom of that. There are too many who seem to think that just because they have the tools, they must use them and the culture too often supports this.Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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I don't think it's arrogance per se LL, but more what I was referring to when I said "middle management corporate creep". They're a necessary evil in big companies, but they're the very last people you approach to look for innovation, beyond how to shuffle more paper. The notion tends to break them out in hives.
This We have systems in place kinda thinking(and Boards has brought in many over the last ten years) builds up over time into a culture and that culture tends to only follow existing trends and will be far less likely to think out of the box, or bring in new blood that might. So for example as mods leave, their replacements are chosen along the company line, those that "fit in" and so on and so forth.
Think back ten years and look at some, if not many of the mods, many who were well known and regarded with affection and nearly always picked from the most prolific posters within their forum. Oh some could have their moments, but they were far less like mod machines and I'm sure we both could name a gansey load(actual unit of measure..) of those guys and gals who wouldn't get within an asses roar of even the smallest forum these days.
That's before we look at the dwindling of the sense of community, a two way community and not just in PR dribbled lip service. The rules mechanism made catechism has not impacted that too well. At all. There was also far more a sense of engagement with "management" and many of the founders of the community were regular posters and again there was the sense of a two way dialogue, even if it was to tell you to eff off. Today? The apparent CEO of the place has breezed in once or twice in a drive by and promptly disappeared, leaving a couple of the staff holding the can. Again typical corporate "thinking". With the admins - who are all just like the rest of us, volunteers and Boardsie's by choice BTW(I don't see them as the "Management" myself, they're in the poo too) - in the middle. Even there, out of the list of same there seem to be only a few holding the fort, at least publicly.
IMH, if this community is to reignite, it needs to look back and take the best of the past when it was a community and the place you came in Ireland to talk shite, or "serious business". And I think it is doable. I really do. But there may be some un-clenching of butt cheeks involved, nay required. On all sides.
Some practical ideas?
Get rid of cards. They're stifling and too much of a "system" and in my experience cause more problems than they solve. "Oh look we have a record, Yay!". Nope. We're not, or shouldn't be moderation accountants, relying on rules rather than common bloody sense.
Leave threads open. Unless they're a rereg, an obvious troll and you can dial them out, by... mein Gott, moderating. Let people talk for god's sake. So what if it doesn't quite "fit the charter". Who the hell reads them, but the mods who wrote them, or those looking for "points of order" when the poo hits the fan. I've written and co written a few and I very rarely ever read them again after I hit "Submit Reply".
As far as AH/PC goes, I'd nuke the latter. Try and rejig the main politics forum for those who want to delve more deeply and leave the man in the pub "after hours" political stuff in well... AH. At the moment it's a coin toss whether an AH thread within the sphere of politics stays there and grows or is shunted to PC where it either dies on the vine, or goes to a head butting session between two users after the first page.
Moderate the moderation. Dial it right back. Let people talk. Lord knows I've had my moments not doing that. Hell, it was me who came up with the Mod Bold Text in the first place. For example, if someone makes a joke in a serious thread, unless it causes actual problems for other folks and not just report post thrillseekers, let them. If someone takes the conversation "off topic" and others get into that, let them. That's how humans converse.
Accept that AH will be one of the last forums standing if it comes to that. Stop treating it as the bastard child with the ginger hair. It's about the most popular forum on the site and is the gateway forum to the rest of the site for many. Treat and respect it accordingly. Use that. Don't stifle that. Trying to pump up minor forums by redirecting(if a redirect is even left) is a hiding to nothing. Never mind that since the "management" decided after focus groups and powerpoint pie charts that it was a good plan to reduce the entire record of the history of Boards.ie to a single dropdown, we're on a hiding to nothing there.
Christ, I'm a longwinded prick. Apologies to those on phones who now have whiplash injuries from scrolling that wall of shite.Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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*Politically I'm in the middle, though these days the US framed "alt-right" would likely consider me a Communist, while the similarly US framed "liberal" would likely consider me a Fascist. Good on both scores, as both are increasingly farcical and divisive.
Well it's funny you would say that. I think most people are mixed view wise.
I've often wondered where I fit I often think I have old time Labour values in that I'm the type who believes in people getting a fair days wage for a fair days work. I believe in the Welfare state to look after our elderly, disabled and those who lose their jobs or are in low incomes, especially in the sense of social housing.
However this would also include me being 100% opposed to mass migration, due to it leading to competition for jobs, driving wages down. Decreases housing supply and that's before you go near anything like Islam and it's complete and utter non compliance with Western Society IMO or any other non compatible cultures which blindly refuses to be acknowledged or even discussed by some.
In fact I often think if for example the Irish Government, opened the door to a few hundred thousand Indians with top spec IT or accounting degrees who were willing to work for 40-60% of the wage workers currently get and be happy share 7-8 per house* you might see the self righteous sneering being wiped off the faces of the self appointed intellectual and moral betters.
So I'm either a raving leftie or I have the SS uniform in the wash depending on certain groups here :pac:
* This is something I saw being done in the construction industry just before the recession with Central and Eastern Europe workers being hired by the bucketload and Irish plus English, Welsh and Scottish labours and trades people here being let go.0
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