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Is it possible to change waves on the day, when i registered i was hoping to do sub 4hr, but now after decent training block i have a quicker target time and would like to go with 3.30 pacer but i'm in Wave 2
is there any issue on the day , either A) asking to move into wave 1 or
covering my number with a black bag/hoodie and head into wave 1 ? 0 -
AuldManKing wrote: »Its funny reading the exchanges - we all have them, at every level.
Imagine what our significant others would think & say - "Hang on, you are running 26.2 miles and you are worrying if your pace should be a few seconds faster/slower per mile"
I think you both know what your goals are -
Ariana - go with 4.20 - make a poster, stick it on your fridge.
KellyGirl - I think you might want to find the standard deviation of the coefficient of x-y and go at that pace for 3.46km before multiplying it by 'y'.
No Seriously - pick a plan for the day and stick with it - you dont want to be stressing in the coming 3 weeks about it - because you will stress.
Pick a time - stick with it - write it down and visualize it.
One of the most difficult things for a novice marathoner is to imagine the feeling of getting lifted by the crowd to the highest point at Castleknock, the crowds at the roundabout in Crumlin, the cheers up Roebuck, and the wall of noise in the home straight - it stays with you and gives you extra.
Stick with a plan - go out sensibly, especially the 1st 7 miles. Pace the hills and inclines a tad slower. Finish strong. Smile along the way.
Have to add a +1 to this. Training is going to plan for most of you all and you have to trust the training.
Stick to the plan you set and don't change it to faster on the day because taper has you feeling rested and the body is good, keep it to pick it up in the last few miles if you are able. If not able then enjoy as you don't want a horrible slog for the last few miles which WILL happen if you go faster than planned at the start even by 5 - 10 seconds.
I know it has been stressed here often but you really need to soak up the atmosphere and enjoy your first marathon as after the first one it usually becomes about time.
My first marathon in 2010 was 4.41 and last year i did 3.49 so lots of time for chasing time dreams....Enjoy it guys and although it will get tough mentally too you will be prepared and can do it!!
I'm pacing 4.40 on the day so would love to know who's targeting that on the day and be able to put names & face together...
There will be lots of doubts creeping in over the next few week and again this is normal...0 -
John McClane wrote: »Is it possible to change waves on the day, when i registered i was hoping to do sub 4hr, but now after decent training block i have a quicker target time and would like to go with 3.30 pacer but i'm in Wave 2
is there any issue on the day , either A) asking to move into wave 1 or covering my number with a black bag/hoodie and head into wave 1 ?
Glad the training has been going well and the confidence is up!
To answer your question, officially the deadline for changing waves was July 31.
You might try asking at the Expo, but from what I've seen and heard you're unlikely to get a favourable response if trying to move up. On the day, there are stewards checking bibs and whatnot as runners are coming up to the Wave 1 pen - last year I'd a good view of this from the front of Wave 2
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hot buttered scones wrote: »
Your getting fitter and your easy pace is getting faster. You'll gain a lot of fitness, especially during your first marathon training block. If your long run pace @6:30 min/km (10:28 min/mile) is comfortable, then I think (after the taper) that you should have no problem running 9:55min/mile (6:10min/km) on race day. A good strategy might be to go out with the 4:20 pacers and if your feeling good at 15 miles or so, push on a bit. If you find it too hard after a mile then just slow back down to race pace. I just can't help wondering if you have a bit more in you than you think you do - especially after that 18 miler.
First off I'd say keep doling out the advice. Anyone with experiences is helpful to us novices and the advice is greatly appreciated.
You touch on a great point there about improved fitness. Ironically it introduces the biggest questions. People who worried about finishing a 10k strongly are now running 10 miles at the same pace. We feel fitter, stronger, better and faster. We start to believe we can target optimistic times....BUT....the wall, dying at 16-20 miles, the fear pushes us back, makes us question ourselves and we get in knots trying to plan how to pace the day.
This is the the nuts & bolts of it really isn't it. None of us know what will happen at mile 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26 and this is the fear!Exactly! I'll take every bit of advice I can get and appreciate it all.
Absolutely and me too, i couldn't be more grateful to all the contributors on this thread. Everyone has given so willingly of their time and experience. It may sound silly but i feel like i'll have let you all down if i don't go and do it
Great advice as usual I plan on running by how I feel and going out with the 4.20 pacers but will let them go on if I think it is too fast
Kellygirl thanks for the good wishes I survived and enjoyed my run
I did not run the planned 10 miles but got out for 4.6 I stretched and foam rolled before we left no issues and all feels good so far my legs did feel tired and the pace was easy and felt hard but I think that was because of spinning beforehand, I did take a tumble tonight I was looking at my watch to check distance the path was uneven and over I went actually I think I will bring my head torch in future LOL all is good though no damage done
Now fx I wake up with no niggle tomorrow.
Brilliant news.AuldManKing wrote: »Its funny reading the exchanges - we all have them, at every level.
Imagine what our significant others would think & say - "Hang on, you are running 26.2 miles and you are worrying if your pace should be a few seconds faster/slower per mile"
I think you both know what your goals are -
Ariana - go with 4.20 - make a poster, stick it on your fridge.
KellyGirl - I think you might want to find the standard deviation of the coefficient of x-y and go at that pace for 3.46km before multiplying it by 'y'.
No Seriously - pick a plan for the day and stick with it - you dont want to be stressing in the coming 3 weeks about it - because you will stress.
Pick a time - stick with it - write it down and visualize it.
One of the most difficult things for a novice marathoner is to imagine the feeling of getting lifted by the crowd to the highest point at Castleknock, the crowds at the roundabout in Crumlin, the cheers up Roebuck, and the wall of noise in the home straight - it stays with you and gives you extra.
Stick with a plan - go out sensibly, especially the 1st 7 miles. Pace the hills and inclines a tad slower. Finish strong. Smile along the way.
"Finish strong. Smile along the way."
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Wubble Wubble wrote: »Glad the training has been going well and the confidence is up!
To answer your question, officially the deadline for changing waves was July 31.
You might try asking at the Expo, but from what I've seen and heard you're unlikely to get a favourable response if trying to move up. On the day, there are stewards checking bibs and whatnot as runners are coming up to the Wave 1 pen - last year I'd a good view of this from the front of Wave 2
Cheers Wubble Wubble, trying to get up towards the front of Wave 2 might be the best approach so
if it's 9.10am start, any idea how long before you would want to be there to get up towards the front, 30mins ?0 -
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hot buttered scones wrote: »Also be prepared in the next few weeks for every little niggle and ache to feel like a major injury, and every little sniffle to feel like to onset of the flu. Taper madness is real! (Although I prefer to call it maranoia) I think its started already, well esp for me with this week not going as I had planned
Thanks scotindublin I am not feeling too bad at all legs feel a little tired and some stretching and foam rolling is needed, my glutes are a little tight but I know how to sort thatscotindublin wrote: »Great to hear there were no aches and pains on the run.....hopefully the body is in good shape today! It was a rotten evening to be out!
As HBS said we are getting close to taper madness time; which during the run in to the marathon last year I found to be a tough time mentally as I found I had more time on my hands to think about the day itself., only a tiny mark on my knee from my fall last night as well LOL Thank you for great post on staying positive I think we all will be keeping that in mind now over the next 3 weeksI hear you. I know i will feel at a loss at the end of this process. It's been a real journey.
I had physio at lunchtime. I hadn't realised how tight my glutes were, feels so much freer now even just walking around.
It will be strange when it is all over, it is great having the support here and amazing advice from everyone I know I said it all ready but I have learnt so much already, That is good you got them sorted now they can be right pain in the ass literally if they start acting up
AuldManKing I keep reminding my self when doubts creep in on how will I keep going when I reach the point were I am in new territory past the 20-mile mark, your description of the support from crowds really helps keep reminding us of that please
Damo 2k9 How are you today 0 -
I hear you. I know i will feel at a loss at the end of this process. It's been a real journey.
I had physio at lunchtime. I hadn't realised how tight my glutes were, feels so much freer now even just walking around.
My Physio suggested i try out the cryotherapy (ice) bath after my long run on Saturday and said if i find it good then he can open it for me (or leave a key accessible) on the 29th as well if i get down at a reasonable hour. Anyone ever use one and how did you find it?
Oh Jesus I'd sooner murder a good few pints of Arthurs finest and limp around like a battered up John Wayne for a week after the marathon than jump into an ice bath. I'm a total wuss!! 0 -
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If Wubble Wubble or anyone else who like to advise, please
Thankfully my soleus muscle was just misbehaving and no niggle when walking stretching or poking today!
But I just wanted to know, if I should run yesterdays 10 miles today or is it to close to the weekends 20 miler which I am doing the 3/4 Marathon
Which brings me to my second question the 3/4 is not 20 miles so do I run the extra beforehand to cover the distance ( I was thinking a very slow jog as a warm-up)
Thank you all 0 -
Me again
If Wubble Wubble or anyone else who like to advise, please
Thankfully my soleus muscle was just misbehaving and no niggle when walking stretching or poking today!
But I just wanted to know, if I should run yesterdays 10 miles today or is it to close to the weekends 20 miler which I am doing the 3/4 Marathon
Which brings me to my second question the 3/4 is not 20 miles so do I run the extra beforehand to cover the distance ( I was thinking a very slow jog as a warm-up)
Thank you all
I'd say it's fine to go today. Just keep it very easy.
In relation to the 3/4 Marathon, apparently the distance works out at 19.65 miles. A short warmup will comfortably take you over the 20 Best of luck! 0 -
Me again
If Wubble Wubble or anyone else who like to advise, please
Thankfully my soleus muscle was just misbehaving and no niggle when walking stretching or poking today!
But I just wanted to know, if I should run yesterdays 10 miles today or is it to close to the weekends 20 miler which I am doing the 3/4 Marathon
Which brings me to my second question the 3/4 is not 20 miles so do I run the extra beforehand to cover the distance ( I was thinking a very slow jog as a warm-up)
Thank you all
I personally wouldn't be chasing missed miles at this stage. Your most important run now is the 3/4 so just continue with the plan and make sure you're in great form for that.
The 3/4 is 19.6 (ish) miles. If you feel the need to make it up to the round 20 then yes, do a nice easy 800m warmup.
And great news on the niggle.0 -
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Me again
If Wubble Wubble or anyone else who like to advise, please
Thankfully my soleus muscle was just misbehaving and no niggle when walking stretching or poking today!
But I just wanted to know, if I should run yesterdays 10 miles today or is it to close to the weekends 20 miler which I am doing the 3/4 Marathon
Which brings me to my second question the 3/4 is not 20 miles so do I run the extra beforehand to cover the distance ( I was thinking a very slow jog as a warm-up)
Thank you all
No - I wouldn't do 10m today.
The main aim of your week is doing the 3/4 marathon - which is 19.6m - we'll let you 'round up' to 20 - if you want to do a 1m warm up and a 1m cool down - do it as slow as you can - but just doing the 19.6 is good enough.
I'd definitely run on Saturday - it'll mimic what you might do on Marathon week - just a few miles as a leg loosener, with a few strides.
Maybe a few miles today and a rest on Friday.
I'm also doing the 3/4 - you'll notice me as my running singlet will match my runners - both very bright green - if you see me come over and say hello. 0 -
Wubble Wubble wrote: »I'd say it's fine to go today. Just keep it very easy.
In relation to the 3/4 Marathon, apparently the distance works out at 19.65 miles. A short warmup will comfortably take you over the 20 Best of luck!AuldManKing wrote: »No - I wouldn't do 10m today. sorry J 0 -
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Oh Jesus I'd sooner murder a good few pints of Arthurs finest and limp around like a battered up John Wayne for a week after the marathon than jump into an ice bath. I'm a total wuss!!
It's honestly not that bad, although worse for men than women apparently My legs felt great afterwards. 0 -
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AuldManKing wrote: »
You'll note the constant reference to the 1st 7 miles from me. :eek:
Who the f*** ever said Dublin was a reasonably flat marathon :eek::rolleyes:
I'm sh*tting myself now 0 -
Who the f*** ever said Dublin was a reasonably flat marathon :eek::rolleyes: I'm sh*tting myself now
I run in the Phoenix Park every day - you hardly notice the incline going up - but its easy to get carried away as you are fresh.
Plus its in feet - on a narrow scale so it looks worse.
200 feet of a climb over 5-6miles, not so bad - while you are fresh - after the race you'll be recalling that stretch as flat - its only if you run it too hard that you'll notice it.0 -
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