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Wubble Wubble wrote: »
Thanks as always to my dedicated and ever helpful collaborators. Your advice and tips are greatly appreciated
Plans for next week as follows (no more double figure LSRs :eek:)
HHN1: Rest + 4M easy + 6M easy + 3M easy + rest + 8M LSR + cross
Boards: (Rest/cross/3M rec) + 3M easy + 4M easy + (4M PMP w/6 x 100m strides) + (rest/cross/3M rec) + 8M LSR + (rest/cross/3M rec)
Best of luck! I'll leave you with this
Right - main message tomorrow - "dont take unnecessary risks"
The next 2 weeks are about making it to the start line and not been too sluggish.
Its important to keep the same training cycle this week, just do less mileage.
DO NOT think you an take the week off - that's the wrong thing to do.
Do take your easy runs very easy, no point pushing it.
This week is about recovering the body, healing the various tears that each muscle has - protein and sleep are big helpers for this.
If you want to aid this recovery - eat more chicken & eggs, eat when you want - weight gain is normal during a taper, especially for a novice.
Don't too anything too taxing this week coming, just follow the plan - I know its still 2 weeks away, but damage can be done.
I find it useful to write down where you've come from at the start of the training plan and look at where you are now.
Focus on the gains over the whole plan rather than the last few weeks.
Here's another few wise words for you from a very experienced coach.
https://www.mcmillanrunning.com/dont-taper-peak/
If anyone wants any specific advice, feel free to send me a private message on Boards - And I mean that, don't feel in any way intimidated or 'fear that your bothering me' or whatever.
I was in your shoes.
My 1st marathon was 4:05 (or 3:65 in my eyes ). I was a Novice once - and I still fear marathons. 0 -
5m done tonight. Easy pace but slightly quicker than Fridays 3m. Really enjoyed it Knee was ok Feel my confidence returning
Just wondering though obviously I didn't do this weekend's 14 miler. I am thinking of doing 10m on Wednesday? I know we're not supposed to chase miles but I feel I need the confidence boost right now of getting to 10 miles. Next weekend there is 8m in the plan so I could cut that to 6m if needs be but I'd love to get a 10m in. Wise or not???0 -
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5m done tonight. Easy pace but slightly quicker than Fridays 3m. Really enjoyed it Knee was ok Feel my confidence returning
Just wondering though obviously I didn't do this weekend's 14 miler. I am thinking of doing 10m on Wednesday? I know we're not supposed to chase miles but I feel I need the confidence boost right now of getting to 10 miles. Next weekend there is 8m in the plan so I could cut that to 6m if needs be but I'd love to get a 10m in. Wise or not???
I think its wise, but ONLY if you do it slow'ish.
From a physiological standpoint, there's not too much to be gained from anything longer than that, but Wednesday might work out ok.
Maybe also consider doing 8-9 miles and then doing 10x20second strides with a full minute in between each stride.
Strides are a runners secret weapon - few do it - but they fire the fast twitch fibres when the slow twitch are 'tired'.0 -
AuldManKing wrote: »Right - main message tomorrow - "dont take unnecessary risks"
The next 2 weeks are about making it to the start line and not been too sluggish.
Its important to keep the same training cycle this week, just do less mileage.
DO NOT think you an take the week off - that's the wrong thing to do.
Do take your easy runs very easy, no point pushing it.
This week is about recovering the body, healing the various tears that each muscle has - protein and sleep are big helpers for this.
If you want to aid this recovery - eat more chicken & eggs, eat when you want - weight gain is normal during a taper, especially for a novice.
Don't too anything too taxing this week coming, just follow the plan - I know its still 2 weeks away, but damage can be done.
I find it useful to write down where you've come from at the start of the training plan and look at where you are now.
Focus on the gains over the whole plan rather than the last few weeks.
Here's another few wise words for you from a very experienced coach.
https://www.mcmillanrunning.com/dont-taper-peak/
If anyone wants any specific advice, feel free to send me a private message on Boards - And I mean that, don't feel in any way intimidated or 'fear that your bothering me' or whatever.
I was in your shoes.
My 1st marathon was 4:05 (or 3:65 in my eyes ). I was a Novice once - and I still fear marathons.
Thanks so much. You have been immense for everyone on this thread and I think I speak for all of us in saying this. You have been invaluable to us all. Also to WW, his advice and encouragement have been inspiring particularly knowing he was in our shoes 12 months ago, fought the demons of injury and is here 12 months later still loving his running. Kudos to you both and to all the other experienced runners, too many to mention, who have added value to the thread. I hope I don't offend anyone by not remembering all names but thanks to scotindublin, Testostercone, hotbutteredscones, unthought known, the black oil, the muppet etc0 -
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Here here. Hope we get to raise a glass to this sentiment on the 29thThanks so much. You have been immense for everyone on this thread and I think I speak for all of us in saying this. You have been invaluable to us all. Also to WW, his advice and encouragement have been inspiring particularly knowing he was in our shoes 12 months ago, fought the demons of injury and is here 12 months later still loving his running. Kudos to you both and to all the other experienced runners, too many to mention, who have added value to the thread. I hope I don't offend anyone by not remembering all names but thanks to scotindublin, Testostercone, hotbutteredscones, unthought known, the black oil etc 0 -
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5m done tonight. Easy pace but slightly quicker than Fridays 3m. Really enjoyed it Knee was ok Feel my confidence returning
Just wondering though obviously I didn't do this weekend's 14 miler. I am thinking of doing 10m on Wednesday? I know we're not supposed to chase miles but I feel I need the confidence boost right now of getting to 10 miles. Next weekend there is 8m in the plan so I could cut that to 6m if needs be but I'd love to get a 10m in. Wise or not???
Great news! Delighted for you.0 -
AuldManKing wrote: »Yes - McGrattans - I drink Guinness. By the bucket.
You'll need a bucket load if you're still there when we finish!!0 -
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AuldManKing wrote: »I think its wise, but ONLY if you do it slow'ish.
From a physiological standpoint, there's not too much to be gained from anything longer than that, but Wednesday might work out ok.
Maybe also consider doing 8-9 miles and then doing 10x20second strides with a full minute in between each stride.
Strides are a runners secret weapon - few do it - but they fire the fast twitch fibres when the slow twitch are 'tired'.
Thanks. I will do it slow. To be honest slow/easy suits me cos it's time on my feet and not pace that i am testing at this stage. I just feel i need to test the knee to 10m. If it holds up i will feel more confident toeing the line. Thanks 0 -
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I assume well I hope as a complete novice what I am experiencing this morning is normal and to be expected! :eek:
But I've woken with lots of doubts, scared I won't be able to do it or worse have a horrible run, I felt so much better after my run yesterday but now doubts have crept in, that maybe I have not done enough that I am only fit enough to run 20km, I am at a loss on how to pace myself for it, I really thought after the Half marathon which besides the messing about at the start line once I got going I really enjoyed and was delighted with my time 2hrs 11 using calculators for predicting your race finish time all give me around 4.34 to 4.37 after the 3/4 marathon I have my doubts I struggled that day.
Do I possible stick with the 4hr 40 pacers and at a certain point move ahead of them but when would be the best time to do that or do I go with the 4.30 but let them go ahead and then reach a point and reel them in or stick behind them all the way keeping them in my sights
or forget all that and see how I go
I am certain this is not my last marathon LOL I will want to do better next year
I am sorry for my slight negativity, I feel like all of a sudden I have run out of time:eek: is this the taper madness so many speak of LOL any advice would be great appreciated0 -
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100% confirmed with a dose of Taper Madness! It is only natural that some doubts are going to creep in.....what you are about to do is put yourself into the unknown.....nobody really knows what is going to happen on the day....will you feel a bit off; will the weather gods be against you?
There are so many factors to consider! One thing though that can't be taken away is and I am saying this to all of you....there won't be many better prepared novices toeing the line in 13 days!!
You will do this look at the effort that you have put in over the last few months....we are all rooting for everyone of you.....it will go better for some than others but you will get through it! When the going gets tough think of all the people who would love to be where you are.
Put The 3/4 out of your head remember you were running this on tired legs....taper will allow your legs time to recover and they will be fresh on marathon day.
AMK may answer the pacing better than me....but psychologically it sounds better to go with 4.40 and pull away than go with 4.30 and watch the pacers head off into the distance ( I can speak from experience on this).
I think in general we can all be very tough on ourselves and don't give ourselves enough credit for what we can do.....the day itself is going to be epic!!
Plenty of positivity....you have got this....."Trust the plan".
CI assume well I hope as a complete novice what I am experiencing this morning is normal and to be expected! :eek:
But I've woken with lots of doubts, scared I won't be able to do it or worse have a horrible run, I felt so much better after my run yesterday but now doubts have crept in, that maybe I have not done enough that I am only fit enough to run 20km, I am at a loss on how to pace myself for it, I really thought after the Half marathon which besides the messing about at the start line once I got going I really enjoyed and was delighted with my time 2hrs 11 using calculators for predicting your race finish time all give me around 4.34 to 4.37 after the 3/4 marathon I have my doubts I struggled that day.
Do I possible stick with the 4hr 40 pacers and at a certain point move ahead of them but when would be the best time to do that or do I go with the 4.30 but let them go ahead and then reach a point and reel them in or stick behind them all the way keeping them in my sights
or forget all that and see how I go I am certain this is not my last marathon LOL I will want to do better next year
I am sorry for my slight negativity, I feel like all of a sudden I have run out of time:eek: is this the taper madness so many speak of LOL any advice would be great appreciated0 -
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