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DCM 2017 Mentored Novices Thread
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scotindublin wrote: »100% confirmed with a dose of Taper Madness! It is only natural that some doubts are going to creep in.....what you are about to do is put yourself into the unknown.....nobody really knows what is going to happen on the day....will you feel a bit off; will the weather gods be against you?
There are so many factors to consider! One thing though that can't be taken away is and I am saying this to all of you....there won't be many better prepared novices toeing the line in 13 days!!
You will do this look at the effort that you have put in over the last few months....we are all rooting for everyone of you.....it will go better for some than others but you will get through it! When the going gets tough think of all the people who would love to be where you are.
Put The 3/4 out of your head remember you were running this on tired legs....taper will allow your legs time to recover and they will be fresh on marathon day.
AMK may answer the pacing better than me....but psychologically it sounds better to go with 4.40 and pull away than go with 4.30 and watch the pacers head off into the distance ( I can speak from experience on this).
I think in general we can all be very tough on ourselves and don't give ourselves enough credit for what we can do.....the day itself is going to be epic!!
Plenty of positivity....you have got this....."Trust the plan".
C
Thank you so much, I was hoping it was normal novice fear creeping in
I think I will post that all over my house ''trust the plan''
On the pacers and pacing, I know what you mean I felt my heart sink when they passed me at the 3/4 at least I know what not to do from that day and I guess a positive from it is I got through it when I hit the wall and was able to increase the pace over the last 2 or so KM I did not think my legs would have it in them.0 -
Baby 75 I hear you and feel your pain. My moods are all over the shop. I go between feeling confident, excited and ready to feeling petrified and completely unprepared. I only ran twice last week, 3m and 5m, and it feels like I haven't run in months and suddenly starting to panic that I could even manage 10 miles never mind 26.2m.I assume well I hope as a complete novice what I am experiencing this morning is normal and to be expected! :eek:
But I've woken with lots of doubts, scared I won't be able to do it or worse have a horrible run, I felt so much better after my run yesterday but now doubts have crept in, that maybe I have not done enough that I am only fit enough to run 20km, I am at a loss on how to pace myself for it, I really thought after the Half marathon which besides the messing about at the start line once I got going I really enjoyed and was delighted with my time 2hrs 11 using calculators for predicting your race finish time all give me around 4.34 to 4.37 after the 3/4 marathon I have my doubts I struggled that day.
Do I possible stick with the 4hr 40 pacers and at a certain point move ahead of them but when would be the best time to do that or do I go with the 4.30 but let them go ahead and then reach a point and reel them in or stick behind them all the way keeping them in my sights
or forget all that and see how I go
I am certain this is not my last marathon LOL I will want to do better next year
I am sorry for my slight negativity, I feel like all of a sudden I have run out of time:eek: is this the taper madness so many speak of LOL any advice would be great appreciated0 -
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I assume well I hope as a complete novice what I am experiencing this morning is normal and to be expected! :eek:
But I've woken with lots of doubts, scared I won't be able to do it or worse have a horrible run, I felt so much better after my run yesterday but now doubts have crept in, that maybe I have not done enough that I am only fit enough to run 20km, I am at a loss on how to pace myself for it, I really thought after the Half marathon which besides the messing about at the start line once I got going I really enjoyed and was delighted with my time 2hrs 11 using calculators for predicting your race finish time all give me around 4.34 to 4.37 after the 3/4 marathon I have my doubts I struggled that day.
Do I possible stick with the 4hr 40 pacers and at a certain point move ahead of them but when would be the best time to do that or do I go with the 4.30 but let them go ahead and then reach a point and reel them in or stick behind them all the way keeping them in my sights
or forget all that and see how I go I am certain this is not my last marathon LOL I will want to do better next year
I am sorry for my slight negativity, I feel like all of a sudden I have run out of time:eek: is this the taper madness so many speak of LOL any advice would be great appreciated
Great post - you are feeling what 99% of the folks on this forum are feeling - me included.
We all ask ourselves "Have we done enough"? - go back over your training and you'll find that you have done enough.
The 3/4 marathon may have actually done you a favour - because you now know what 'tough' feels like - and you seen it through.
You may have walked a bit - you may have thought about quitting - but you seen it through. You are tougher than you know - ScotinDublin put it very well in his post.
So - when things get tough out there - and they will - remember the feeling from the 3/4, that was hard and you toughed it out (without the '000s of cheering supporters) and remember crossing the line - and remember your family waiting for you at the finish line - proud as punch of You.
Regarding pacing - Have an A, B & C goal for different times.
There is nothing worse than seeing a pace group go by you or leave you for dust (happened to me) - so plan for that - what are you going to do when that pace group leaves you - how do you cope with the mind games that comes with that.
If you have a plan for it - and if the pacers go by you - well thats OK - you've planned for it - Smile and move onto Goal B.
I agree to go with the 4:40's and try to stick with them.0 -
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I assume well I hope as a complete novice what I am experiencing this morning is normal and to be expected! :eek:
But I've woken with lots of doubts, scared I won't be able to do it or worse have a horrible run, I felt so much better after my run yesterday but now doubts have crept in, that maybe I have not done enough that I am only fit enough to run 20km, I am at a loss on how to pace myself for it, I really thought after the Half marathon which besides the messing about at the start line once I got going I really enjoyed and was delighted with my time 2hrs 11 using calculators for predicting your race finish time all give me around 4.34 to 4.37 after the 3/4 marathon I have my doubts I struggled that day.
Do I possible stick with the 4hr 40 pacers and at a certain point move ahead of them but when would be the best time to do that or do I go with the 4.30 but let them go ahead and then reach a point and reel them in or stick behind them all the way keeping them in my sights
or forget all that and see how I go I am certain this is not my last marathon LOL I will want to do better next year
I am sorry for my slight negativity, I feel like all of a sudden I have run out of time:eek: is this the taper madness so many speak of LOL any advice would be great appreciated
Just switching on the laptop here. I’ll see can I make a copy of that paceband and see what you think of the paces. I’ve it set up for 4:25 currently and the paces look very reasonable to me in it. Do you want to send me your email address?Baby 75 I hear you and feel your pain. My moods are all over the shop. I go between feeling confident, excited and ready to feeling petrified and completely unprepared. I only ran twice last week, 3m and 5m, and it feels like I haven't run in months and suddenly starting to panic that I could even manage 10 miles never mind 26.2m.
Ariana, you have done all the work and your body will feel tired now anyway but just use this time for recovery and you’ll be great on the day.0 -
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Bib No.| Username | Target Time | Actual Time
12345 | skyblue46 | 03:59:59 |
12346 | quickbeam | 05:59:59 |
12347 | candamir | 03:59:59 |
12348| kellygirl | 04:29:59 |
12349 | Damo 2k9 | 03:59:59 |
Goal A) Run more then 3 miles without my knee seizing up
Goal
Enjoy the whole thing without worrying about an injury!
Goal C) Run it sub 4!0 -
Bib No.| Username | Target Time | Actual Time
12345 | skyblue46 | 03:59:59 |
12346 | quickbeam | 05:59:59 |
12347 | candamir | 03:59:59 |
12348| kellygirl | 04:29:59 |
12349 | Damo 2k9 | 03:59:59 |
12350 | Positron | 04:29:59 |
Goal A) Get to the finish line.
Goal 5 hours.
Goal C) 4h 30m.0 -
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I assume well I hope as a complete novice what I am experiencing this morning is normal and to be expected! :eek:
But I've woken with lots of doubts, scared I won't be able to do it or worse have a horrible run, I felt so much better after my run yesterday but now doubts have crept in, that maybe I have not done enough that I am only fit enough to run 20km, I am at a loss on how to pace myself for it, I really thought after the Half marathon which besides the messing about at the start line once I got going I really enjoyed and was delighted with my time 2hrs 11 using calculators for predicting your race finish time all give me around 4.34 to 4.37 after the 3/4 marathon I have my doubts I struggled that day.
Do I possible stick with the 4hr 40 pacers and at a certain point move ahead of them but when would be the best time to do that or do I go with the 4.30 but let them go ahead and then reach a point and reel them in or stick behind them all the way keeping them in my sights
or forget all that and see how I go I am certain this is not my last marathon LOL I will want to do better next year
I am sorry for my slight negativity, I feel like all of a sudden I have run out of time:eek: is this the taper madness so many speak of LOL any advice would be great appreciated
Hiya. I'll be pacing 4:40 along with younganne from these parts too and another very experienced Anne. Two Annes for the price of one
You won't know the best time until on the day but we will be checking in with everyone to see where you're at / how you're feeling on the day and we'll be happy to advise along the way when the best time to push on is.
Definitely start with us as the first half can catch people out. The Phoenix Park doesn't seem like it is taking as much out of you as it can be, and the descent after it can cause issues later too if you hit it too fast. Conservative and comfortable would be your best approach.
Probably somewhere around Fosters Ave / UCD would be the ideal time to take off and bank a couple of minutes if you have it in you. That's 4.5 miles out. But if you're feeling great before then you could push on a bit earlier. Either way we'll look after you really well and have a bit of craic along the way.
Don't worry at all about the 3/4. As AMK said it showed you that you can tough it out. It's come at the peak of training and tiredness. The taper will have you a lot more energised for the big day and there is NOTHING like the support the crowd on the DCM route brings. The wall of sound at Castleknock will raise hairs on your neck!0 -
I don't use the soft gel packets myself but to give you any idea of the size, there are 2 water-proof zipped storage areas. One side easily fits my phone which is quite large (Pixel XL), and in the right my keys and two 37ml silicone containers (pictured).
If all you're carrying are gels I imagine you'd squeeze a good few in there, at a rough guess maybe 4-6 per side.
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Pacing Mule wrote: »Hiya. I'll be pacing 4:40 along with younganne from these parts too and another very experienced Anne. Two Annes for the price of one You won't know the best time until on the day but we will be checking in with everyone to see where you're at / how you're feeling on the day and we'll be happy to advise along the way when the best time to push on is.
Definitely start with us as the first half can catch people out. The Phoenix Park doesn't seem like it is taking as much out of you as it can be, and the descent after it can cause issues later too if you hit it too fast. Conservative and comfortable would be your best approach.
Probably somewhere around Fosters Ave / UCD would be the ideal time to take off and bank a couple of minutes if you have it in you. That's 4.5 miles out. But if you're feeling great before then you could push on a bit earlier. Either way we'll look after you really well and have a bit of craic along the way.
Don't worry at all about the 3/4. As AMK said it showed you that you can tough it out. It's come at the peak of training and tiredness. The taper will have you a lot more energised for the big day and there is NOTHING like the support the crowd on the DCM route brings. The wall of sound at Castleknock will raise hairs on your neck!
Ahh - I forgot you and the 2 Annes were pacing 4:40 - great stuff!
Pacing Mule is another legend from these parts - You are in good hands.
Just get him to smile a bit more.........0 -
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