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DCM 2017 Mentored Novices Thread
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quick q on the hills / inclines on the DCM course (if anyone knows the course). How do the hills compare in comparison to say the khyber in the phoenix park.? More/less steep and same for distance.? Just thrying to gauge a rough pic in my head. I'll drive the whole south side part of the course at some stage but not got round to it yet.
Briefly.....Miles 2-7 (James Joyce Bridge to Castleknock College via Stoneybatter, NCR and Chesterfield Avenue) are very slow and draggy for the most part.
Toughest and steepest hill on the course is at the 10 mile mark, which takes you out of Chapelizod, under the N4, and up to Ballyfermot. It's a fair bit steeper than the Khyber, particularly as you approach the top, but not as long.
13-15 from Dolphin's Barn through Crumlin and Drimnagh to Walkinstown are again long and slow; not steep at any stage, but this is where the hurt may be starting to kick in, and it's very easy to lose concentration.
19-22 (Milltown/Clonskeagh) has some tricky ones. The hill from Milltown church is steep but short. Clonskeagh Road is very up and down, and then you have "Heartbreak Hill" after the 22 mile mark on Roebuck Road. Again, it's not that long, or that steep, but because of where we are in the race, it can really put you in the red zone.
More detailed course guide(s) will follow nearer the time. Especially now as we're approaching the longest of our LSRs, it's a good idea to try running parts of the DCM course for yourselves if you can. Particularly if you're based in or near Dublin, why not use this to your advantage?
EDIT: scotindublin covered most of this while I was typing
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clickerquicklic wrote: »Someone more knowledgeable than myself told me a very accurate predictor of marathon time is multiplying your 10mile time by 3. I'll be taking this into consideration running at the weekend.
Just to add some more evidence:
Frank Duffy 10 mile 2015: 1hr 18 mins
DCM 2015 3hr 54 mins:D:D
I was a DCM Novice, if that helps.
Enjoy the training folks. So many gains made at this stage.0 -
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I'm not Dublin based and everywhere around me is fairly flat. I see this could be a problem for me. What type of elevation gain are we talking about? I did 7m last night and elevation gain was 48m. And my last 2 LSRs, each about 16m but slightly different routes, the elevation gain was 117m and 133m.
I recorded 172m elevation on DCM 2015 over the full 42 kms ( I got the Finished T-Shirt). Looks like your LSR's are fine. Wubble Wubble pointed out the nature of the hills which is worth noting i.e. 2-3 short sharp hills but 3 very long drag type hills. Would you encounter something similar on your runs? 0 -
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I recorded 172m elevation on DCM 2015 over the full 42 kms ( I got the Finished T-Shirt). Looks like your LSR's are fine. Wubble Wubble pointed out the nature of the hills which is worth noting i.e. 2-3 short sharp hills but 3 very long drag type hills. Would you encounter something similar on your runs?
Thanks denis. There's 1 long drag i do occasionally, i'll try to do it more regularly, i'm trying to find new routes all the time but i live/run in the countryside and it's not where i'm originally from so i don't know the area very well unless it leads to the kids' school/gaa pitch! It sounds like i may not be too far off the mark already if you recorded 172m.0 -
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I am now completely and utterly confused. Last night when I saw the discussion about running for more than 3 hours my heart leapt in delight at the thought of no 18-20 mile runs. Now I've read all of the responses and think I'll just stick to the plan - the HHN1 plan.
Am now going in search of more interesting podcasts to stick on the phone to get me through.
Having finally charged my Garmin, I have been using it and strava on the phone and am going to stick to strava. We did a 6 mile run last week, as measured by Strava, the forerunner had it short by a whole mile! So I used both for park run, Strava was spot on, garmin was off by a good bit again. It is about 10 years old at this stage, so maybe it's picking up old satellites
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AuldManKing wrote: »He was answering the question as asked regarding the benefits of running longer than 3 hours - not 'should this group of novices ignore the plan'
If the plan was designed with only 3 hours running in mind, it would be a lot different.
I'd encourage you to follow the plan as designed.
I had a look at multiple plans from different sources for Novices (about 12 of them) and I reckon that most of them would have you go beyond the 3 hour mark, with the exception of the Hansons plan - but that is a very specific plan that builds fatigue in other ways.
I'd be with Ariana on this one in that I fully intended to complete the longer runs anyway lol. Apologies if my 2 + 2 = 157!! 0 -
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clickerquicklic wrote: »Someone more knowledgeable than myself told me a very accurate predictor of marathon time is multiplying your 10mile time by 3. I'll be taking this into consideration running at the weekend.That's a new one, thanks.
I've heard to multiply your HM time by 2 and add 20 mins.Just to add some more evidence:
Frank Duffy 10 mile 2015: 1hr 18 mins
DCM 2015 3hr 54 mins:D:D
I was a DCM Novice, if that helps.
Enjoy the training folks. So many gains made at this stage.
My DCM novice race series times and marathon times are really close to those formulae:
Frank Duffy: 1:10:30 (multiplied x3 = 3:31:30)
Half Marathon: 1:36:03 (doubled + 20 = 3:32:06)
DCM: 3:32:04
This is not permission to slack off after Saturday - the real work starts in September 0 -
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I recorded 172m elevation on DCM 2015 over the full 42 kms ( I got the Finished T-Shirt). Looks like your LSR's are fine. Wubble Wubble pointed out the nature of the hills which is worth noting i.e. 2-3 short sharp hills but 3 very long drag type hills. Would you encounter something similar on your runs?
Thanks for that, which is quite uplifting.
The run from Clontarf to howth, and back, with a little detour through st Anne's (about 19m) has a broadly similar elevation gain and I would have thought that was very flat.0 -
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Thanks for that, which is quite uplifting.
The run from Clontarf to howth, and back, with a little detour through st Anne's (about 19m) has a broadly similar elevation gain and I would have thought that was very flat.
Unless you're going up the hill in Howth that is very flat, with the exception of St Anne's.
The highest point in DCM is in Castleknock... people sometimes underestimate the drag up from the Liffey through the Park to that point. Around the 7-8 mile mark I think. It does have a lovely downhill from there back to the Liffey... and then up again from Chapelizod.
Anybody based in Dublin (and still planning to do a 20 miler
) I would highly recommend doing a recce of the route, especially from Chapelizod to the end which has the worst hills (they feel like the worst because of where they appear in the race, but not that bad really... honest ) 0 -
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Speaking of 10m and HM races. It now turns out that i can't do the HM which i had penciled in and i can't find another which suits me, which means i am going to race this weekend's 10 mile :eek: And it will be my last and only race before DCM :eek: I'm not sure if this is wise or not, i would have really liked to have a done a HM but right now i can't see an option that suits
Have a look at runireland.com and search by month and race type. There seem to be a few joint half/full ones in Sept, e.g. Clarinbridge Oyster Marathon, Sept 9th. Clew Bay, Mayo, Half Marathon & 10K, Sept 23rd. Obviously if you're settled on the FD10 stick with that.Moderator: Television, Psychology and Dublin County North.
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I am now completely and utterly confused. Last night when I saw the discussion about running for more than 3 hours my heart leapt in delight at the thought of no 18-20 mile runs. Now I've read all of the responses and think I'll just stick to the plan - the HHN1 plan.Am now going in search of more interesting podcasts to stick on the phone to get me through.
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I don't listen to anything....just me and my thoughts
I never race with headphones, only really use them for the Wed session and the LSR, and not always. Unless it's Winter, love running to Pink Floyd on a dark cold morning.
There's some tunes though that are fantastic rhythmically for running, particularly that Daft Punk album, you can set your stride to the rhythm. It's such a great way of improving your form.
The absolute best song I've found for it though is Solomon Burke 'Everybody needs somebody'.
Listen to it. Run to it, and breath out on the sax. 0
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