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DCM 2017 Mentored Novices Thread
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Hi All, I'm throwing my hat into the ring! Signed up to DCM yesterday! I have been glued to this thread for the last couple of years so I am very excited to be joining it! Thanks Wubble for all the great advice so far!
Have you raced before?
I recently completed the Great Ireland 10km in 1:01, was hoping to get under the 1 hr mark...next time :-)
Park runs- 28.34, Half marathon 2015-2:24.
Do you still need to take a break during training- No (am very very slow going up hills though!!)
How much training do you currently do- 5 mile tue and Thursday with the running club, park run most saturdays, LSR at some point over the weekend, up to 10 mile now. I have v recently started running 5 mile pace on wednesday. Im following the Hal Higdon novice 2 plan. I don't do any other type of training, I know I should incorporate something else- am open to all suggestions!
What do you want to achieve? Dream time- 4:30. Most likely time- under 5.00. It takes me 11-12 mins per mile so I have a lot of work to do between now and October!
How many days can you train? I can definitely train 4 days per week, will aim for 5. I have 4 weddings to go to over the summer so that's why I have started the plan a little early. I am slightly worried about how to manage the lsrs and attend social events but I am committed to the plan so I'll just find a way :-)
Why are you running the marathon? I have been running consistently for the last year and I feel like this is the year to tackle it! It's been on the bucket list for far too long!! A fella in his late 70's who ran the Dublin marathon 4 times told me last year there'll be many the day that you think you can't run a marathon but you'll have a lifetime of knowing you did! This has stuck with me so it's time to give it a whirl!
Hi statina,
Welcome aboard! Those times aren't too bad at all...no shame missing the 1 hr for the GIR. I'd actually have said that was optimistic for a 28 min 5k, especially as it's one of the harder 10k races out there. Plenty more chances to go (considerably?) under the hour. I highly recommend the Fingal 10k in this regard; I got my PB there last year, the previous one stood for over 3 years.
Training seems to be fairly well coordinated already. Only thing I'd say about HHN2, if I'm reading it properly, is that there doesn't seem to be any kind of interval training? But if you think that's what will suit you best for this year, then I'd say go for it.
Weddings, weddings and more weddings....:D best I can say here is, (apart from "Don't go")
is that if you can find a place for it, the LSR is the most important run of the week; remember to follow it with an easy day if you can find the time to get anything done. Don't do two LSRs in the same week; a near certain way to get injured.
Loving that quote from the aul fella. Might even use it myself
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Greetings all!
Gonna jump on this thread if that's ok, could do with any and all help with completing something like this.
Only recently decided to give it a go, and have just pulled the trigger on registering so thought I'd join you gang.
Thanks for taking up the mantle of such a time consuming role Wubble Wubble!
I've mostly dipped in and out of running. Never completed a full marathon, a few halfs alright.
Trained for Cork full 2 yrs ago but a couple of things conspired to stop that attempt. Got to 24m in a training run.
I've learned from that though, so much more confident this time! Very much looking forward to this! Hope the training is going well for everyone.
Have you raced before? If so what are your PBs? (Date and distance please!)
5k - Darkness Into Light May 2017 - 23:30ish
10k - Cosaintoir 10k Oct 2009 - 50:00ish
Half Marathon - Clonakilty Dec 2011 - 1:42ish (in my absolute prime!:D)
Do you still need to take walk breaks in your training?
No
How much training do you currently do ?
Approx 18-20 miles a week with the odd circuit training.
What do you want to achieve?
Sub 4 would be the dream, realistically be happy with sub 4:30 though.
How many days a week can you train? And what plan do you intend to follow?
Fortunate at the moment I'm in a position to train pretty much any day. Started with the HH Novice 2 this week to build a routine and hoping to switch to HH Int 1 on 26th June and carry that to the big day.
Why are you running this marathon?
To have run AT LEAST one.
Hi dos29,
Welcome! Always feels like a big thing, taking the plunge to sign up!
Thanks for the compliment, it was nice to be asked, and it's something very different and interesting for me
They're some fine times by the way, especially for the DIL when the large majority walk it. I haven't done that one yet, but will eventually no doubt.
Even to have a few half marathons in the bag is handy when starting something like this. It's a distance I enjoy, although it can be hard to get the pacing and strategy right. If you don't, it can be a long and sore run home, as I've found to my cost more than once :rolleyes:
In relation to the training generally, you seem to have the right idea for base building before commencing the plan itself. Sticking to the plan will be the tricky bit (not just for you, might I add!) And who knows, maybe if you really enjoy this marathon, you will want to run another "one". Thanks for signing up, best of luck!0 -
Hi, All
I am so excited, I can actually get out running this week my calf is better the rest and stretching have worked, I got to bootcamp this morning and after it felt so good to be doing something I have really missed exercising, running really clears the mind and lifts the spirits.
I have a question on the training plans, I notice a lot call for running 2 or 3 days in a row, do you have to train this way or can you run then rest or cross-train the next making sure I take at least 1 days rest during the week!
Good news! It does indeed lift the spirits, especially when you can feel yourself getting stronger and the energy coming back.
Both HHN1 and Boards plans have a lot of scope within for rest/cross days. HHN1 has at least two most weeks, whereas the Boards plan gives you the option of a rest day if you wish, on at least two of the days. How you move these around is ultimately up to you. I would recommend, however, that if possible you should try to stick to a regular weekly routine. I can understand that it's not the easiest thing to do for all of us. Hope this helps!0 -
Another good week under the belt. Physio has given me the all clear but with instructions to do more stretching and foam rolling.
Dusted off the foam roller on Friday and lots of rolling and pain later I had found my calves are in a bad way so they will need a lot more work.
Ran an 80 min LSR today. Legs felt great after the rolling. Pacing was all over the place, 2 slow miles, 2 fast miles and the rest somewhere in between but really enjoyed the run.
Tried James Dunne's post running stretch routine afterwards so hope that will help down the line.
Glad to hear it! Stretching is a practice often neglected, and not just by DCM Novices....occasionally some Graduates have been guilty of same :eek:
Foam rollers aren't the easiest thing to get used to. I have one, but the feeling of muscles popping in your leg can be really sore
Regarding the LSR you described, I would try and keep the pace at a consistently slow one. Your long runs are intended to be more about time on your feet, as opposed to fast running.
It isn't easy to get used to thinking that way. Back in my pre-Boards running days (long before I was even a DCM Novice) I used to do nearly all my training runs at a fairly fast pace, probably ridiculously fast looking back.
Several others on here have mentioned James Dunne's stretching routines. I haven't tried them yet, but those of you reading it here (particularly any of you with a lengthy injury history) should give them a try and see how they work for you.0 -
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This week's runs:
8.46km @ 7:15 pace*
8.56km @ 7:04 pace*
6.36km @ 6.55 pace*
5.13km @ 6.26pace (Parkrun) - official 5km time of 32:44
* As before, the total distance includes a warm up and cool down walk, total approximate running distance for first two is 7.3km and 5.3km for the third.
I'm happy with my week's work. I did my first solo 5km+ run in a pace less than 7 minutes for the first time, and I got a PB at Parkrun!
From next week I hope to up my first two runs by 1km, do the same again the following two weeks, and therefore by the June bank holiday be able to report back on my first 10km run. I'd nearly be tempted to up it by the full 3km all in one go, as I think I have it in me to do it, but I'll stick to the 10% rule and up it over three weeks instead.
I pretty much run my solo runs in the same spot, just increase the number of circuits I do, but once I reach 10km I'm going to branch out and find other routes to do so I don't become over comfortable with the one route.
Would it be a good idea (for those of us in Dublin anyway) to run the marathon route in stages as part of our training? There's a lot of the route that I'd be very unfamiliar with and it might be a good way to get to know it so that when the time comes it won't be as daunting (I find running in unfamiliar places difficult as you don't have the landmarks you're familiar with to guide you). The disadvantage of running the route would be that traffic would be very disruptive though, so a continuous stop-start while crossing roads won't do anything for our endurance.
Well done on the PB quickbeam! I would still be careful in relation to the 10% rule though.
I highly recommend finding other routes if you can. Purely for the sake of variety, as I often find it can get monotonous running the same loops time after time. Of course, this doesn't mean you have to completely abandon the one you're currently running It's also good to have a route with a few hills in it, as although DCM wouldn't be particularly hilly compared to a lot of other marathons, there's still some good tests in there.
+1000 to those above who have recommended running parts of the marathon course. Particularly if you're lucky enough to be based in Dublin It will undoubtedly be to your advantage on the day. As regards stopping at traffic lights etc, that's an occupational hazard in relation to running in the city I'm afraid. That and people driving in and out of their houses as you pass.
Last year there was a Novices meetup organised in August, the week before the Frank Duffy 10 Mile. At that stage, we'll be well into the plans stage proper.0 -
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161 Days To Go!!
Yes indeed, another Sunday evening has arrived, and the DCM 2017 Mentored Novices thread is another week older
Seems so far away when you read it like that, doesn't it? 23 weeks if you prefer....
Thanks to all the Novices who have signed up so far. Always room for more, so if you've been lurking here the last while and haven't felt confident enough to join in just yet, don't worry, as most here are starting off, same as you.
Have any more of you decided on which plan to follow yet? Remember to stick to the 10% rule when building your base up. It's a tough challenge, and one which must be respected! I can vouch for that, having totally not stuck to that rule first time around (in fact, I didn't even know it existed)
Much gratitude to all who have reported on their runs so far. Anyone else care to share?
And a big thanks to our guest contributors for helping keep it all in one piece
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Hi Wubble Wubble - ive decided to go with the HH1 Plan, but im going to start off this week by doing some cross training/gym and a few low mileage runs just to get the fitness level up a bit. So by the time 26th June rolls round ill be getting into the swing of things.... well that's the plan anyways!!Wubble Wubble wrote: »161 Days To Go!!
Yes indeed, another Sunday evening has arrived, and the DCM 2017 Mentored Novices thread is another week older
Seems so far away when you read it like that, doesn't it? 23 weeks if you prefer....
Thanks to all the Novices who have signed up so far. Always room for more, so if you've been lurking here the last while and haven't felt confident enough to join in just yet, don't worry, as most here are starting off, same as you.
Have any more of you decided on which plan to follow yet? Remember to stick to the 10% rule when building your base up. It's a tough challenge, and one which must be respected! I can vouch for that, having totally not stuck to that rule first time around (in fact, I didn't even know it existed)
Much gratitude to all who have reported on their runs so far. Anyone else care to share?
And a big thanks to our guest contributors for helping keep it all in one piece
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I multi-tasked my LSR yesterday by running to IKEA & back!
I was running through some areas I didn't know that well, and even though I had trusty hand-written directions & sort-of map in my pocket, I took a few wrong turns, had to take out the smart phone a few times. So the run there was faaaaaaaaar longer than the run back. The home trip seemed so much easier, but I think it was slightly uphill most of the way there.
Running through Tolka Valley Park, there was a really short steep hill that I slowed down for, took teeny little steps. Still when I got to the top I had to stop, thought I was gonna be sick!
What I learned from yesterday's run: yoga leggings are fine for yoga, or for a short 5m run. They're no good for an LSR however; some of the seams left little red patches that weren't uncomfortable just yet, but after 4 hours of running I'd say I'd be in serious pain! So gotta go through my shorts drawer and identify which leggings are for LSRs, and which are for yoga only! :eek:
I've noticed the last two weekends that after my LSR I have an insanely unquenchable thirst! I'd an 8oz water bottle with me this weekend, and drank it all. I normally never drink fizzy drinks, but I think I'm gonna need to stock some of those mini-cans in my fridge. I think the acid or the bubbles will be the only thing to cut through my thirst. No amount of water or ice pops seemed to do the job yesterday.
On my way over, there was a swan with four lovely fluffy little cygnets in the Royal Canal. They were still there on my way home, and since I'd my distance covered at this stage, I could stop to take a little video. They came over to me when they saw me watching them. I'd no treats for them though, how disappointing!0 -
Japan will be amazing, would love to visit it at some point myself!! Hope you have a fab time, and best of luck with finding places to runshortie_chik wrote: »aine_fainne wrote:Hi shortie_chik, great to hear there's someone else in the same boat as me as you say, it's about completing the marathon on the day regardless of the time. We are off to Mauritius for a very relaxing all-inclusive sun holiday - can't wait for it now!! The hotel we have booked has a gym so I reckon I can just plod out a few runs on the treadmill there - it'll help undo the damage from all the food we'll end up eating!! There's loads of other activities as well so hopefully that will keep me active enough. How about yourself - where are you guys off to?
That sounds fantastic! And if you know now that your hotel has a gym, you can plan a few runs in an air conditioned gym if it's scorchio out!
We're going to Japan, very excited! This weekend I'm gonna have to sit down and look at our stops and see where I can find green patches to run a few circles around. Don't think any of our hotels will have gyms. 0 -
A bit late with my report on training last week, but better late than never I had a good weeks running overall, after having to swap around the runs that I had planned a little bit:
Mon 3 miles 9:52 per mile
Tues 4 miles easy 10:49 per mile
Wed 3 miles 10:27 per mile
Thurs 4 miles easy 10:56 per mile
Sat 1 mile w/u, 4 mile pace, 1 mile c/d 9:40 per mile
I had a bit of an upset on my run last Wednesday where I was meant to do 1 mile w/u, 4 mile pace, 1 mile c/d. Started to get stomach cramps when I picked up the pace so I only managed to do 3 miles before having to head home. Luckily the training plan I am following only called for me to do a 5k race at the weekend so I just decided to give this a miss on Saturday morning and have another go at the 1 mile w/u, 4 mile pace, 1 mile c/d. I've been trying to run slowly at a pace of around 10:45 min a mile, so my target for the pace section was 9:45. I was a bit worried about sustaining this for 4 miles but I actually ended up running slightly faster at around 9:00 to 9:20 per mile so I will have to work on staying at my target pace a bit more 0 -
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shortie_chik wrote: »I multi-tasked my LSR yesterday by running to IKEA & back!
I was running through some areas I didn't know that well, and even though I had trusty hand-written directions & sort-of map in my pocket, I took a few wrong turns, had to take out the smart phone a few times. So the run there was faaaaaaaaar longer than the run back. The home trip seemed so much easier, but I think it was slightly uphill most of the way there.
Have a look at
https://www.rungoapp.com.
It allows you to map a route, on your phone or PC, then acts as a sat nav, giving you turn by turn navigation as you run. I used this for some long runs last year, especially when running parts of the DCM route, and it worked really well.0 -
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shortie_chik wrote: »I multi-tasked my LSR yesterday by running to IKEA & back!
I was running through some areas I didn't know that well, and even though I had trusty hand-written directions & sort-of map in my pocket, I took a few wrong turns, had to take out the smart phone a few times. So the run there was faaaaaaaaar longer than the run back. The home trip seemed so much easier, but I think it was slightly uphill most of the way there.
Running through Tolka Valley Park, there was a really short steep hill that I slowed down for, took teeny little steps. Still when I got to the top I had to stop, thought I was gonna be sick!
What I learned from yesterday's run: yoga leggings are fine for yoga, or for a short 5m run. They're no good for an LSR however; some of the seams left little red patches that weren't uncomfortable just yet, but after 4 hours of running I'd say I'd be in serious pain! So gotta go through my shorts drawer and identify which leggings are for LSRs, and which are for yoga only! :eek:
I've noticed the last two weekends that after my LSR I have an insanely unquenchable thirst! I'd an 8oz water bottle with me this weekend, and drank it all. I normally never drink fizzy drinks, but I think I'm gonna need to stock some of those mini-cans in my fridge. I think the acid or the bubbles will be the only thing to cut through my thirst. No amount of water or ice pops seemed to do the job yesterday.
On my way over, there was a swan with four lovely fluffy little cygnets in the Royal Canal. They were still there on my way home, and since I'd my distance covered at this stage, I could stop to take a little video. They came over to me when they saw me watching them. I'd no treats for them though, how disappointing!
You had an adventure... sparkling water is great to quench thirst, also you could try the high5 zero tabs, they are get for when your dehydrated0
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