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DCM 2017 Mentored Novices Thread
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Feeling sick today again so no run
I feel panic rising now! I feel like every run should be longer or faster than prescribed and I know "trust the plan" but it's getting harder to... 7 weeks and 3 are taper so really only 4 weeks of hard training, yikes.
I wish I had done more in the last 4week's or 4 months even!! No point I know I know but can't help the panicky feeling that's hitting me.
I think the fact I'd no lsr this weekend isn't helping but no point crying over spilt milk right.
I've done 2 x16m & 1x18m and I'm still hoping to squeeze in 2 x 20m & 1 x 18m in the next 4 week's, so that will be 6 runs over 16 miles so that's good right?
Some of you have had fantastic weekends, well done to all and I hope you're all relaxing tonight with the feet up enjoying a beer after taking Epsom salts baths
Sillymoo let us not panic yet, we can do this! I'm going to do my medium long run tomorrow cos I need to do something a bit long to settle my nerves. God help us!
Now listen here young lady - you cannot panic - you are the one of the main ones keeping everyone else here on track.
Your long runs so far are top notch and will be more than 50% of the people who start DCM will have done - fact.
And you still have 6 weeks to race week.
The worse thing to do is to panic - that causes stupid moments.
Lets say - worse case, you decide to do a 2 1/2 week taper (17-18 days) - this still leaves you with OVER 30 'other' days to do 2x20 milers - thats 1 every 15 days from now.
Panic is for those who have done half of your training - you are on track and you are very strong. Time to believe.0 -
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Meetup looking unlikely for myself aswell, 7-2 in work and by that stage most people have done the LSR and all, I really need to get a few more morning runs in to prepare for the big day.
In regards to LSRs over a certain distance, im only up to 15 miles, and supposed to do a 16m this weekend but physio has told me to drop down to 14, meaning my next biggest run is the 20 miler so im right there in that boat with yous. When I put it like that I actually get a bit worried
If you decide to do the 20 miles - reduce the pace. It will feel very easy to run fast initially, but you wont hold that pace for the full 20.
90-120 secs slower (per mile) than marathon pace is fine for a long run, you should probably aim for 'time on feet' for the coming weeks - increasing it to 3 hours and no more if you are struggling.
Dont panic yet - plenty of time to go - you can gain a lot in 6 weeks (even in taper mode)0 -
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AuldManKing wrote: »Now listen here young lady - you cannot panic - you are the one of the main ones keeping everyone else here on track.
Your long runs so far are top notch and will be more than 50% of the people who start DCM will have done - fact.
And you still have 6 weeks to race week.
The worse thing to do is to panic - that causes stupid moments.
Lets say - worse case, you decide to do a 2 1/2 week taper (17-18 days) - this still leaves you with OVER 30 'other' days to do 2x20 milers - thats 1 every 15 days from now.
Panic is for those who have done half of your training - you are on track and you are very strong. Time to believe.
Ah seriously I'm killed with kindness this weekend
Yes I know you're right. I will put the panic to bed tonight, tomorrow will be the "normal" me i promise
We can all do this. A few busy weeks ahead for us but it'll be so worth it. We all need to mind the niggles, the nerves and each-other and we'll be celebrating in 7 weeks time with the help of God 0 -
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AuldManKing wrote: »If you decide to do the 20 miles - reduce the pace. It will feel very easy to run fast initially, but you wont hold that pace for the full 20.
90-120 secs slower (per mile) than marathon pace is fine for a long run, you should probably aim for 'time on feet' for the coming weeks - increasing it to 3 hours and no more if you are struggling.
Dont panic yet - plenty of time to go - you can gain a lot in 6 weeks (even in taper mode)
Im definitely doing the 20 miler, but the jump up from the 15 miles which will be my longest run is just worrying me a bit.
I definitely think that the pace of my training runs is something that will come back to bite me come marathon day, and im gonna admit that now. I just cant seem to pace myself at all to run slow and slower then my planned marathon pace. In my most recent LSR, on average the miles were only about 20 seconds slower then PMP, yet I just wasnt able to slow down anymore without just speeding up again I guess its all part of the learning process, and I just hope it doesnt ruin my marathon. 0 -
Meetup looking unlikely for myself aswell, 7-2 in work and by that stage most people have done the LSR and all, I really need to get a few more morning runs in to prepare for the big day.
In regards to LSRs over a certain distance, im only up to 15 miles, and supposed to do a 16m this weekend but physio has told me to drop down to 14, meaning my next biggest run is the 20 miler so im right there in that boat with yous. When I put it like that I actually get a bit worried
I'm amazed that a physio could differentiate between what harm you might do on a 14 mile run as against 16 to be honest. Maybe that's why I'm not a physio
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Im definitely doing the 20 miler, but the jump up from the 15 miles which will be my longest run is just worrying me a bit.
I definitely think that the pace of my training runs is something that will come back to bite me come marathon day, and im gonna admit that now. I just cant seem to pace myself at all to run slow and slower then my planned marathon pace. In my most recent LSR, on average the miles were only about 20 seconds slower then PMP, yet I just wasnt able to slow down anymore without just speeding up again I guess its all part of the learning process, and I just hope it doesnt ruin my marathon.
An alternative to doing a straight 20 miler is the following:
Day 1: run 90 mins - you build fatigue in the legs
Day 2: Run 1 - in the morning - run 15 miles. You've done it before, so wont be a problem.
Day 2: Run 2 - in the evening - Run 5 miles. (or reverse it & do 5 1st then 15)
The effect of the above physiologically will be similar to running one 20 mile run.
However, if you can manage the 1x20m then......... fantastic.0 -
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brownbinman wrote: »was certainly thinking of massage alright, think the hamstring might have been just stiffness or not stretching enough after Tuesday. Knee is a worry but I'll know more on Tuesday
They could be related. I have found before that a tight ITB effected my knee and a good deep sports massage sorted it out. And i think someone else mentioned the same here in the last few days, BrownEyes i think it was Hopefully it'll be ok.
Sillymoo how are you feeling today?0 -
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Well done to everyone you completed the long runs!
If not, remember, no one run is make or break! Lace up them shoes and get back out there!
Monday - rest
Tuesday pm - 16.1k @5:07min/km
Wednesday am - 7.75k @ 5:26min/km - ran late of tuesday and then early on wed, I won't be doing that again!!
Thursday - 7k @4:47min/km - shortened as wasn't feeling great
Friday - rest
Saturday - 16.25k @5:19min/km
Sunday - 32.2k lsr @ 5:42/km - first half of run was OK but I hadn't eaten enough and fell away badly towards the end with some walking and stops, a pity but not felling fully energised in general. I have a step back week this week and Monday is rest and I might take Tuesday as well to hope for full recovery. I'll see how I'm going!
Great reading over the last few pages to catch up, very positive advice for everyone and now I'm feeling much better about another go at 20 miles in two weeks!
Funnily it was my 1st time doing exactly that last week as well and ditto i won't be doing it again :pac: Wednesday morning my legs just weren't ready to go again
Well done on a great week. The 20 miler was tough but you got through it and lessons learnt.Roll call for those meeting on Saturday??
As I said I'll be volunteering at Parkrun, but I'm up for the cuppa afterwards if you let me know the wheres and whens.
I'm not in Dublin and this weekend doesn't suit to make the trip up either unfortunately but I'll be there in spirit with you all And if it was to be repeated i'd definitely try to make it although it won't suit me til October 7th between one thing and another :eek: 0 -
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Had a great LSR yesterday, 35km taking in the Phoenix park/Kilmainham section of the route. Also practiced slowing to a walk to properly sip water (instead of gulping it while panting) and trying out my homemade chia energy paste to fuel the last third of the run.
For anyone that's had a bad couple of training days: I was supposed to this last week but bonked hard at 29th km, felt terrible as my LSR's were progressing so well every week, and I had done over 29 a few times before.
I took Monday off and ran the the other scheduled runs during the week a bit slower (apart from the Grant Thornton 5k on Wednesday). Got some extra sleep in on Friday and Saturday then nailed the run yesterday.
The lesson here is that off-days will happen this late in the training program. Just recalibrate yourself and get ease back into the program.
Whoa, whoa there dude, don't just skim over that. Tell us more aboout this concoction!! 0 -
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Whoa, whoa there dude, don't just skim over that. Tell us more aboout this concoction!!
I'm just experimenting with whole foods because I don't like the idea of consuming factory-produced high refined sugar gels, and having to buy them for every long race I do.
So far I just mix chia seeds and water and leave until it turns goopy–apparently keeps for weeks in the fridge, then food process it with banana, dates, almond butter*, generous teaspoon of maple syrup.
I slowed to a walk and ate it 25km, didn't have any stomach issues at all. Kms 30–35 felt great apart from pretty tired legs for the last km. I have a 37km scheduled for this weekend, I'll prob try dividing it up and taking 2 of them instead of 1 so it'll be more like race day.
*My own homemade nut butter, about 80% almonds, 20% cheaper salty nuts, coconut oil, maple syrup and/or dates, cacao powder),0 -
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