Psychopath who killed boy with hammer to be released.

darkdubh

I've a feeling we'll be hearing this guys name in the news again for the wrong reasons.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/newlyreleased-teen-murderer-warned-not-to-visit-area-where-victims-family-lives-35691916.html

dar100

No such thing as bad publicity

dar100

Born on the Bayou wrote: »

Is there any country with a more pathetic justice system than Ireland? Sweden maybe.

America is quite pathetic tbf

Stheno

Article says he was released last year then later says he will be released

dmc17

I'd imagine he'll be a great addition to society

Yourself isit

Psychopaths are not reformable. He should at least stay in for another decade and then get closely monitored.

dar100

Yourself isit wrote: »

Psychopaths are not reformable. He should at least stay in for another decade and then get closely monitored.

Where does it say he's a psychopath? Tbf he was 16 at the time it occurred

Doltanian

I thought life was at least a minimum of 20 years anyway. Sickening for the victims family reopening old wounds again. The Justice system in Ireland is incredibly lenient and I wouldn't even call it a justice system any more.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

dar100 wrote: »

Where does it say he's a psychopath? Tbf he was 16 at the time it occurred

I dunno but I'd be inclined to label anyone who murders another person with a fücking hammer as a psychopath...but that's just me.

Samuel T. Cogley

Stheno wrote: »

Article says he was released last year then later says he will be released

I don't see that? Only that he was released and some discussion of the review.

Looks like today was a hearing on conditions - one does wonder why that wasn't done sooner - perhaps there has been a complaint.

diomed

dar100 wrote: »

Where does it say he's a psychopath? Tbf he was 16 at the time it occurred

It didn't happen. He murdered a child.

bear1

dar100 wrote: »

Where does it say he's a psychopath? Tbf he was 16 at the time it occurred

Ah that's grand so. Kids these days huh.

Hande hoche!

dar100 wrote: »

Where does it say he's a psychopath? Tbf he was 16 at the time it occurred

From the article, "Jesus, I?d love to kill someone, someone that no one would care about, like Darragh Conroy".

Sounds fairly psycho.

darkdubh

The most recent pictures of him online are all from his trial in 2003. He's 28 now.

Roger Hassenforder

its a pity for his first attempt at killing someone was unsuccessful.

mikeoneilly

dar100 wrote: »

Where does it say he's a psychopath? Tbf he was 16 at the time it occurred

Presumably the OP made that up for effect,a psychopath wouldn't be released .

The victim looked like the typical person these scumbags like to assault,probable a gentle timid sort.

The short sentences might be logical if there was some actual rehabilitation.Larry Murphy didn't do a damn thing in jail and they let him back out.

darkdubh

dar100 wrote: »

Where does it say he's a psychopath? Tbf he was 16 at the time it occurred

What would you call someone who openly boasts about how they'd love to murder someone and then goes ahead and does just that?

dar100

diomed wrote: »

It didn't happen. He murdered a child.

It did happen, a crime. Therefore it happened

Samuel T. Cogley

darkdubh wrote: »

What would you call someone who openly boasts about how they'd love to murder someone and then goes ahead and does just that?

A scumbag murderer, a psychopathy has a very specific medical definition and I don't think it's particularly helpful here but tbh I don't care but it's just difficult to see all the learned discussion on the legal system when this semantic point is every other post.

dar100

darkdubh wrote: »

What would you call someone who openly boasts about how they'd love to murder someone and then goes ahead and does just that?

Dunno, a criminal maybe?

irishman86

People like this guy is why there should be a death penalty

darkdubh

mikeoneilly wrote: »

Presumably the OP made that up for effect,a psychopath wouldn't be released .

The victim looked like the typical person these scumbags like to assault,probable a gentle timid sort.

The short sentences might be logical if there was some actual rehabilitation.Larry Murphy didn't do a damn thing in jail and they let him back out.

You think? Notice any similarities?

https://www.rte.ie/news/2000/1205/10615-roscommon/

darkdubh

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

A scumbag murderer, a psychopathy has a very specific medical definition and I don't think it's particularly helpful here but tbh I don't care but it's just difficult to see all the learned discussion on the legal system when this semantic point is every other post.

About the most insightful part of your post.

Samuel T. Cogley

darkdubh wrote: »

About the most insightful part of your post.

the 'insightful part' of yours :pac:

darkdubh

Cultural Enricher wrote: »

In America life would mean life or he'd be on death row, either way he wouldn't be coming out. That's the way is should be.

I'm not a fan of the death penalty but certainly there should be full life terms like they have for certain cases in The UK.

diomed

dar100 wrote: »

It did happen, a crime. Therefore it happened

The point I was making but it seems you missed, was that the poster used the passive voice, saying "it happened" as if nobody was involved.
My post said that the convicted person murdered the child, the crime was not something that just "happened".

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

I think that someone that goes out to murder someone just so they can feel like they murdered someone fall into the category of people who should be kept out of society indefinitely. There aren't that many, less than 100? But they pose the greatest risk to society.

Yes, all murder is wrong. But 'at least' the vast majority of murders can be explained to some degree, friends who fall out, money, drink, drugs, family ect. This case is straight from the Larry Murphy play book, to kill anybody for the sake of killing.

bear1

A serious review is needed of the sentences handed down.
The family must be feeling they've been royally screwed by the justice system that they lose their only son and the state allows the murderer with a life sentence to simply leave prison after promising to stay 8km away from the family.
**** right off.

dar100

diomed wrote: »

The point I was making but it seems you missed, was that the poster used the passive voice, saying "it happened" as if nobody was involved.
My post said that the convicted person murdered the child, the crime was not something that just "happened".

Yes I was the poster and I was referring to the crime, meaning it. Not the person involved in IT(you see what I'm doing here?) I think it was you who missed the original point that started this

Mutant z

What a joke this is, the scumbag should have got life.

dar100

Mutant z wrote: »

What a joke this is, the scumbag should have got life.

He did

Dtp1979

dar100 wrote: »

He did

You know what he meant

Taylor365

Should have some sort of death island, with melee weapons and the winner gets to live on death island welcoming every new contestant murderer.

And it should be filmed LIVE on tv like a gameshow, and people place bets!


:pac:

Dtp1979

Taylor365 wrote: »

Should have some sort of death island, with melee weapons and the winner gets to live on death island welcoming every new contestant murderer.

And it should be filmed LIVE on tv like a gameshow, and people place bets!


:pac:

I'm pretty sure that was a film

Yourself isit

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

I think that someone that goes out to murder someone just so they can feel like they murdered someone fall into the category of people who should be kept out of society indefinitely. There aren't that many, less than 100? But they pose the greatest risk to society.

Yes, all murder is wrong. But 'at least' the vast majority of murders can be explained to some degree, friends who fall out, money, drink, drugs, family ect. This case is straight from the Larry Murphy play book, to kill anybody for the sake of killing.

Totally. His statement

"One classmate testified that Goodwin had said: "Jesus, I’d love to kill someone, someone that no one would care about, like Darragh Conroy"

Is surely symptomatic of some sort of sociopathic tendencies.

Samuel T. Cogley

bear1 wrote: »

A serious review is needed of the sentences handed down.
The family must be feeling they've been royally screwed by the justice system that they lose their only son and the state allows the murderer with a life sentence to simply leave prison after promising to stay 8km away from the family.
**** right off.

Absolutely and I'm fond of pointing out cost. Fcuk cost in the case of violent criminals. They need to be locked up for as long as it takes. Maybe then the cost argument will swing to rehabilitation. Until then they need to be incapacitated.

bear1

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Absolutely and I'm fond of pointing out cost. Fcuk cost in the case of violent criminals. They need to be locked up for as long as it takes. Maybe then the cost argument will swing to rehabilitation. Until then they need to be incapacitated.

"victims skull was bashed in so much that bits of the bone were falling out of the wounds".
And this lad has been let back into society.
You just have to despair sometimes.
I hope the family appeals.

TallGlass

So maybe I am missing this one, I read it earlier. Why is it that this guy is been allowed out exactly? He literally smashed some lads head in with a hammer, to extent the coroner had to piece it back together like a puzzle.

What wonderful marvellous talent is this lad going to now bring to the table after all these years. Apart from him inevitably smashing another persons head in.

Sometimes you have to wonder who is worse in this little island of ours, the judges or the criminals? It's criminal to let this guy out, someone like him needs to be put down like an animal not released back into society like some good lad. FFS.

jimmycrackcorm

Stheno wrote: »

Article says he was released last year then later says he will be released

That can't be right - sure he was "jailed for life".

infogiver

TallGlass wrote: »

So maybe I am missing this one, I read it earlier. Why is it that this guy is been allowed out exactly? He literally smashed some lads head in with a hammer, to extent the coroner had to piece it back together like a puzzle.

What wonderful marvellous talent is this lad going to now bring to the table after all these years. Apart from him inevitably smashing another persons head in.

Sometimes you have to wonder who is worse in this little island of ours, the judges or the criminals? It's criminal to let this guy out, someone like him needs to be put down like an animal not released back into society like some good lad. FFS.

The judges job is to follow,literally, the letter of the law.
They have to look at precedent and all the current evidence.
It looks as if this guy was in a psychosis when he killed the poor kid, and 14 years later medical professionals have testified that he's no longer suffering from that psychosis.
The law is the law.

TallGlass

infogiver wrote: »

The judges job is to follow,literally, the letter of the law.
They have to look at precedent and all the current evidence.
It looks as if this guy was in a psychosis when he killed the poor kid, and 14 years later medical professionals have testified that he's no longer suffering from that psychosis.
The law is the law.

That's great then, we just let him out. I am sure plenty of people have had and have psychosis, doesn't give them a free pass to go beating people to death with a hammer nor do they do it either.

And what about the family of that poor lad? I'm sure they are still suffering the loss of there son, doesn't that matter in any of this to the so called 'law'.

infogiver

In the U.K. they have a "whole life tariff".
I suppose there's only maybe 7 or 8 people in prison with "full life tariffs".
Mostly people who murdered children with no bad mental health excuse.
All of the people on these tariffs added further misery to the families of the kids they killed by appealing the tariffs to the EU court of human rights.
The appeals typically took 7 years.
Such misery.
Part of the plus side of Brexit is that this torture will stop.
We need a minimum sentence/ whole life tariff here.

Samuel T. Cogley

TallGlass wrote: »

So maybe I am missing this one, I read it earlier. Why is it that this guy is been allowed out exactly? He literally smashed some lads head in with a hammer, to extent the coroner had to piece it back together like a puzzle.

What wonderful marvellous talent is this lad going to now bring to the table after all these years. Apart from him inevitably smashing another persons head in.

Sometimes you have to wonder who is worse in this little island of ours, the judges or the criminals? It's criminal to let this guy out, someone like him needs to be put down like an animal not released back into society like some good lad. FFS.

If you dig a little deeper, one of the primary reasons he was let out is because he has a low change of re-offending, and was not receiving treatment in prison. So go figure here, what's the biggest failure - having to let him out to get treatment or leaving him in until he's served a life sentence (around 17 years) and potentially increasing the change of reoffending, due to their being less of a support structure.

I'm all for keeping people in for as long as it takes but this isn't a simply case of a Judge deciding to let the guy out on a whim.

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

That can't be right - sure he was "jailed for life".

With a review after ten years. Absolute madness that the DPP wanted additional time for more reporting - they knew this was coming for ten years.

infogiver wrote: »

The judges job is to follow,literally, the letter of the law.
They have to look at precedent and all the current evidence.
It looks as if this guy was in a psychosis when he killed the poor kid, and 14 years later medical professionals have testified that he's no longer suffering from that psychosis.
The law is the law.

In fairness they have very wide discretion on sentencing as this case illustrates both at the initial sentencing and on review.

While I agree with you on the medical evidence front, I really am in two minds here. Yes the lad should be treated humanely but I'd suggest a better solution would be intensive study and rehabilitation rather than he seems a bit better now let hime out so he can be sorted - shouldn't he have been sorted inside? Ten years is also an awfully short time inside, even for a teenager committing this sort of crime.

infogiver

TallGlass wrote: »

That's great then, we just let him out. I am sure plenty of people have had and have psychosis, doesn't give them a free pass to go beating people to death with a hammer nor do they do it either.

And what about the family of that poor lad? I'm sure they are still suffering the loss of there son, doesn't that matter in any of this to the so called 'law'.

My point is that the judges can do nothing about changing the law.
Laws are only changed when the citizens force the government to change them

Samuel T. Cogley

infogiver wrote: »

In the U.K. they have a "whole life tariff".
I suppose there's only maybe 7 or 8 people in prison with "full life tariffs".
Mostly people who murdered children with no bad mental health excuse.
All of the people on these tariffs added further misery to the families of the kids they killed by appealing the tariffs to the EU court of human rights.
The appeals typically took 7 years.
Such misery.
Part of the plus side of Brexit is that this torture will stop.
We need a minimum sentence/ whole life tariff here.

In the UK he would have been detained in a similar manner to here 'at her majesty's pleasure' and I suspect that was the concept White J was drawing on.

Samuel T. Cogley

TallGlass wrote: »

That's great then, we just let him out. I am sure plenty of people have had and have psychosis, doesn't give them a free pass to go beating people to death with a hammer nor do they do it either.

And what about the family of that poor lad? I'm sure they are still suffering the loss of there son, doesn't that matter in any of this to the so called 'law'.

He wasn't suffering a psychosis AFAIK - if he was then he would have been found not guilty and would have been off to the laughing academy in Dundrum.

infogiver

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

In the UK he would have been detained in a similar manner to here 'at her majesty's pleasure' and I suspect that was the concept White J was drawing on.

In any civilised jurisdiction this guy would not have been given a whole life sentence.

TallGlass

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

If you dig a little deeper, one of the primary reasons he was let out is because he has a low change of re-offending, and was not receiving treatment in prison. So go figure here, what's the biggest failure - having to let him out to get treatment or leaving him in until he's served a life sentence (around 17 years) and potentially increasing the change of reoffending, due to their being less of a support structure.

He needs to be kept locked up for the rest of societies sake. His mindset is that it's okay to do this, his refusal to take help while inside speaks volumes to me, if anything that is a warning that he should not be allowed out on the street. His mindset is the same and it's a ticking time-bomb walking around, until he decides to knock off someone else that 'no-body would really miss'.

Summer wind

He should never again see the light of day. May the beautiful child he killed Rest In Peace.

Samuel T. Cogley

TallGlass wrote: »

He needs to be kept locked up for the rest of societies sake. His mindset is that it's okay to do this, his refusal to take help while inside speaks volumes to me, if anything that is a warning that he should not be allowed out on the street. His mindset is the same and it's a ticking time-bomb walking around, until he decides to knock off someone else that 'no-body would really miss'.

I'm not sure if help was available or what the circumstances surrounding a failure to take what was available. Now I'd 100% agree if I didn't have some (small) insight into the internals of this, but I will say no matter how bad it is does his right outweigh the right of society to be protected and I can't find myself on the his right side of that argument - I do see it exists though.

TallGlass

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

He wasn't suffering a psychosis AFAIK - if he was then he would have been found not guilty and would have been off to the laughing academy in Dundrum.

I think that's where he should have gone from day one. The wires in that brain are not crossing the correct paths. Some proper assessment over 10 years and him accepting some sort of help, you might consider in the slightest letting him out.

No help inside, hardly any type of a sentence for the crime he committed and he is allowed walked out with a bit of a problem, only that he keeps away from the area of the family. As if he would give a ****é about that, he just murdered there son and is walking free. What a joke, honestly and we are paying for these shenanigans via the courts. The system is just not fit for purpose.