BREAKING, Well done Gardai

Roger Hassenforder

They've been realised without charge and a file is being sent to the DPP...

Kristopherus

Source???

McDermotX

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

They've been realised without charge and a file is being sent to the DPP...

Good job by the Guards. Efficiency at it's finest.

hatrickpatrick

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

They've been realised without charge and a file is being sent to the DPP...

IMO one of the most moronic aspects of the Irish justice system - for particular crimes, the Gardaí should be able to remand people in custody until the DPP makes a recommendation, and should be able to therefore mark that case as requiring the DPP's urgent consideration. This would apply to essentially all serious violent crime, particularly organised violent crime. It's absurd that somebody suspected of a dangerous, violent crime and with the potential for re-offending cannot be instantly remanded in custody at the discretion of their arresting Gardaí, and that their cases to the DPP cannot be fast tracked in this manner.

Your Face

The Gardai have plenty of experience catching terrorists only to have them walk after a short sentence.

eurasian

Completely against revoking anyone's citizenship unless they lied in the application (and this is the only legitimate reason for revoking a citizenship of a Citizen.)
This whole hysteria of revoking citizenship for this for that is very dangerous and could potentially devalue citizenship and turn it into something that ultimately belongs to authorities/government and not to the people.

Any criminal,no matter what crime is, must stand before law as a citizen and face consequences as a citizen.

I read the article. They're foreigners. But even if they weren't, the subject of citizenship is very sensitive and have to be dealt with carefully.

511

eurasian wrote: »

I read the article. They're foreigners. But even if they weren't, the subject of citizenship is very sensitive and have to be dealt with carefully.

Under UN law, it's illegal to make someone stateless. Citizenship, for me, is very straight forward. You commit a serious offence, you're gone, even if you have kids and your wife was born here. Stop them from further contaminating the gene pool.

Phoebas

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

If these people are proven in a fair trial to be the scumbags they are alleged to be, I for one will not just support but demand either their imprisonment for a long, long time if they're Irish citizens, or their deportment if they are not.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Well then if they are found guilty, by all means revoke their citizenship and get them the f*ck out of our country.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Now that's coming from a far left poster, again I'd like to ask where exactly the evidence is for the far left's supposed support of Isis?

You want to let them go if they're not originally Irish, with what basically amounts to a slap on the wrist.

CalamariFritti

Am I missing something? Cos there isn't a single word on what those guys supposedly did.

Suckler

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Fair and just manner? Human rights? What about everyone else's human rights not to be killed by terrorists, or the reasonable expectation of safety? Those ****ets should be shot on sight

Sounds exactly like the impromptu tabloid/bar stool verdicts that were deemed suitable for the Birmingham Six/Guildford Four/McGuire Seven etc. It wasn't long ago statements like that would be levelled at Irish people. I'd prefer a world with fair legal process.

Discodog

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

It isn't. Neither is Europol. He probably watched too many Bond movies.

A huge amount of anti terrorism data comes from the UK. Europe has nothing like GCHQ. The attacks in France & the total inability to see the threat from Belgium shows how the intelligence is ineffectual.

The Guards would of been given the names & addresses. GCHQ have probably been monitoring them for quite a while & only asked for arrests because they thought that something was imminent.

Or the UK told the Guards, maybe asked for surveillance & they decided to arrest against advice. So now they are out on bail & can flee.

Phoebas

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Am I missing something? Cos there isn't a single word on what those guys supposedly did.

The Terrorism Offence Act 2015 created three new offences of:

• Public provocation to commit a terrorist offence
• Recruitment for terrorism
• Training for terrorism

These offences can carry sentences of up to 10 years imprisonment.
(the journal.ie)

Phoebas

Discodog wrote: »

Or the UK told the Guards, maybe asked for surveillance & they decided to arrest against advice.

That's a vivid imagination you have there, fair play to you.

Little CuChulainn

Discodog wrote: »

A huge amount of anti terrorism data comes from the UK. Europe has nothing like GCHQ. The attacks in France & the total inability to see the threat from Belgium shows how the intelligence is ineffectual.

The Guards would of been given the names & addresses. GCHQ have probably been monitoring them for quite a while & only asked for arrests because they thought that something was imminent.

Or the UK told the Guards, maybe asked for surveillance & they decided to arrest against advice. So now they are out on bail & can flee.

What are you basing this on?

CalamariFritti

Phoebas wrote: »

The Terrorism Offence Act 2015 created three new offences of:

• Public provocation to commit a terrorist offence
• Recruitment for terrorism
• Training for terrorism

These offences can carry sentences of up to 10 years imprisonment.
(the journal.ie)

I get that. But that doesn't change the fact that it says nothing about wether they were charged with anything and what that anything is. Some people seem to miss those minor details when reading newspaper articles. Just pointing that out to the 'hang them now and hang them higher' brigade.

Billy86

LexieOnRale wrote: »

end of the road wrote: »

can't be done as it's against due process. the special criminal court deprives them of a proper jury trial, and it's our job to interrogate them in a fair and just manner to insure any information is accurate.



can't be done, it's against their human rights and it's asalt and breaks international law.

Fair and just manner? Human rights? What about everyone else's human rights not to be killed by terrorists, or the reasonable expectation of safety? Those ****ets should be shot on sight

And what do they do if they get the wrong person, mistaken identity etc?

And on the water boarding suggestion the other poster made, sure that's great. You can get so much information out of them that they'll tell you all about their secret relationship with Elvis and what the winning lotto numbers for the draw 5 months from now are just to get you to stop. Almost as if they'll say whatever you tell them, rather than whatever they know, to get you go stop... almost as if intelligence agencies widely agree that torture is ineffective for that reason among others.



As for the gardai, great job by them and great to see such swift action and keeping on top of things.

AudreyHepburn

Well done to the Gardai and they should pay no attention to the naysayers.

None of them would be able to do the job, they'd fall at the first hurdle.

The_Kew_Tour

While its good to see them starting to catch 2 or 3, they still have more to try and get aswell.

Back in end of 2014 they were monitoring 300, can only imagine that figure is much more now.

AudreyHepburn

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

They've been realised without charge and a file is being sent to the DPP...

That's hardly the fault of the Gardai. That's the fault of a judicial system seriously in need of an overhaul.

Beyondgone

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

What are you basing this on?

Reality? GCHQ is the largest and most powerful electronic surveillance installation in Europe and feeds information to Uk Police, MI5, MI6, the USA and to NATO/Interpol. Or do you think that radar pod in Baldonnell the aircorps use is secretly monitoring electronic traffic in Ireland and "we don't need anyone".

s3rtvdbwfj81ch

Tip of the Iceberg

1 of them has been released without charge already

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2017/0509/873641-dublin-arrests/

OldGoat

511 wrote: »

Under UN law, it's illegal to make someone stateless. Citizenship, for me, is very straight forward. You commit a serious offence, you're gone, even if you have kids and your wife was born here. Stop them from further contaminating the gene pool.

Eugenics is yer only man.

Are Am Eye

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Well done to the Gardai and they should pay no attention to the naysayers.

None of them would be able to do the job, they'd fall at the first hurdle.

At least we wouldnt stitch up a colleague as being a paedophile because he made a complaint.

BlinkingLights

Irish law around containing terrorism is actually pretty draconian and developed by comparison to much of Europe due to the history of "the troubles".

The key issue here is ensuring we have good intelligence.

Considering what happened in Sweden - a country that has no involvement in the middle east, isn't even in NATO and is very peace loving, it's fairly important we aren't complainant.

Ash.J.Williams

Samara Hissing Pocketknife wrote: »

Tip of the Iceberg

you wish

Billy86

cisk wrote: »

1 of them has been released without charge already

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2017/0509/873641-dublin-arrests/

Good thing they didn't shoot him on sight, then!

The_Kew_Tour

Billy86 wrote: »

Good thing they didn't shoot him on sight, then!

Eh?

This is not the USA

topper75

CoolHandBandit wrote: »

Step forward Ruth Coppinger.

Ha ha I love it for the entertainment value.

As though one entire constituency has decided to troll the rest of the nation.

"And can I just saaaaaaaayy.... [some cultural marxist whinge or other]"

Joshua J

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Am I missing something? Cos there isn't a single word on what those guys supposedly did.

It doesn't matter what they did the Ministry of Information has branded them Terrorists therefore they are to be tortured and deported. Or deported and tortured. Whichever helps the proles easysleep at night.

hatrickpatrick

Phoebas wrote: »

You want to let them go if they're not originally Irish, with what basically amounts to a slap on the wrist.

I don't want to, but if they're in the country illegally then what's the legal / constitutional position on sending them to jail here? Is it allowed?

PMBC

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

We all critisize the Gardai, sometimes justified and I'm probably one of the first to do it, but they deserve credit where it's due. Fair play to them for it today.

Yes they have issues still. But I agree that this is good work; as is the progress against the two Dublin criminal families.

josip

Any chance we could get them on blasphemy charges?

Billy86

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Eh?

This is not the USA

Was regarding a comment above saying that's what should be done.

Roger Hassenforder

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

That's hardly the fault of the Gardai. That's the fault of a judicial system seriously in need of an overhaul.

I don't recall saying the Gardai are at fault?

ohnonotgmail

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I don't want to, but if they're in the country illegally then what's the legal / constitutional position on sending them to jail here? Is it allowed?

it is allowed. why would it not be? at the end of their sentence they would be deported.

Mr.Micro

The outrage over an alleged terrorist threat and the proposed solutions. The irony is beyond measure.

Discodog

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

What are you basing this on?

Common sense. It would be very unlikely the Gardai would be aware of a threat that the UK didn't know about.

https://www.gchq.gov.uk/features/how-does-analyst-catch-terrorist

C Montgomery Gurns II

Odelay wrote: »

"Up to ten years in prison" wow, that will deter them...

I've always wondered about the logic behind terror plot sentencing in the UK and Europe- giving someone who was prepared to commit suicide, usually in his 20's, to advance the politics of a sky fairy, a sentence whereby they will be released relatively young. He is violent and deranged enough when he is in his 20's, what will he be like getting released in 20 year with no job prospects, minimal chance of starting a family, essentially nothing to live for. Do like the US, life without parole unless they have given some very helpful states evidence.

Irish Guitarist

Well done to the guards for whatever they did or didn't do in this extremely vague story. And I'm glad two innocent men were released or the terrorist bastards should be shot.

shootermacg

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

Well done to the guards for whatever they did or didn't do in this extremely vague story. And I'm glad two innocent men were released or the terrorist bastards should be shot.

Right lads, we need a big win because of the current cluster f==k with all the ****e we've been caught doing. Nothing says sorry like some terrorists in the slammer.

Yamanoto

A Battered Mars Bar wrote: »

God bless you an Garda. So proud. Well done to all those involved. My heart goes out to them putting their lives on the line for us everyday. Well done guys brilliant job really proud. Brilliant.

The Uniform should feature a cape to add further gravitas to these noble, noble creatures.

Wailin

A Battered Mars Bar wrote: »

God bless you an Garda. So proud. Well done to all those involved. My heart goes out to them putting their lives on the line for us everyday. Well done guys brilliant job really proud. Brilliant.

Eh......are they not just doing what they get paid to do?

10000maniacs

I'm sure Interpol will continue to pass on key terrorist information to the Gardai with the knowledge that the situation will be dealt with correctly and in a timely manner. Well done our boys in blue. What would we do without them?

kupus

10000maniacs wrote: »

I'm sure Interpol will continue to pass on key terrorist information to the Gardai with the knowledge that the situation will be dealt with correctly and in a timely manner. Well done our boys in blue. What would we do without them?

Sthap paying tax on the car.

10000maniacs

10000maniacs wrote: »

I'm sure Interpol will continue to pass on key terrorist information to the Gardai with the knowledge that the situation will be dealt with correctly and in a timely manner. Well done our boys in blue. What would we do without them?

I'm sure the gardai will also continue to pass on information to Interpol, europol & other police forces, as is the norm with police & intelligence services