Body of Alan Hawe to be exhumed

Nekarsulm

News this morning....

http://www.anglocelt.ie/news/roundup/articles/2017/05/10/4139761-body-of-alan-hawe-being-exhumed-this-morning/



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mikeoneilly

About time..

Nailz

The murders happened last August, as many would remember. The father's body is just being exhumed from the grave which he shared with his family members who perished from his acts.

Full Anglo Celt article:

The body of Alan Hawe, the man who murdered his wife and children at their Castlerahan home late last August before taking his own life, is being exhumed this morning (scroll down for video).

Alan, his wife Clodagh (nee Coll) and their three sons Liam (14), Niall (11) and Ryan (6) were all buried together in the local cemetery after the shocking incident.

The murder suicide devastated the local community and rocked the whole country in the week that the children and their parents, both teachers, were due to go back to school.

The body of Alan Hawe, the Kilkenny-native, who was vice-principal at the local primary school, is being exhumed now in the presence of members of An Garda Siochána and an Environmental Health Officer from Cavan County Council.

Those involved in the exhumation arrived at the grave site located beside St Mary's Church in Castlerahan in the early hours of this morning, at around 5:30am. They erected a cover for privacy and work began shortly thereafter.

The exhumation is taking place after, it’s understood a licence was granted last March and, once completed, Mr Hawe’s remains must be reburied or cremated within 48 hours of being exhumed.


The bodies of the Hawes were discovered at their home in the quiet townland of Barconey near Ballyjamesduff on August 29 last year. Since then, it’s understood there has been growing pressure to have Mr Hawe’s body exhumed and removed from its burial place in the locality.


The inquest into the family’s death, meanwhile, is expected to take place later this year. Gardaí continue to treat the investigation as one of murder suicide, and have said previously that they are not looking for anyone else in relation to the deaths.

Psychologists from the National Educational Psychological Service (NEPS) were subsequently assigned to the primary schools with whom the family was linked to support and advise teachers in assisting students and staff dealing with the tragedy.

The family of Clodagh (nee Coll), who herself was a primary school teacher in Oristown, Co Meath, meanwhile have managed to raise tens of thousands of euros for national domestic violence support charity, Women’s Aid.

kfallon

Might need to change the thread title tbh!

Roger Hassenforder

A septic tank is too good for his remains

_Brian

Have to say I think it's reaching yet a new low for the Celt going and getting a photo of the exhumation in progress.
It's a regional paper that's gone from low to low, riddled with spelling mistakes, name errors and their idea of news is 10 pages of reports from the courts on who was caught drunk driving or beating his missus.

helimachoptor

Should never have been buried with them in the first place. What a cowardly disgusting man, may he rot in hell or wherever he ends up

skankkuvhima

The thread title and the first post implies four people were killed this morning in Cavan with is incorrect and a bit disgusting to be honest.

Dravokivich

helimachoptor wrote: »

Should never have been buried with them in the first place. What a cowardly disgusting man, may he rot in hell or wherever he ends up

Huh? My understanding is he has to be put back. What was he exhumed for?

xabi

Poor choice of thread title.

Captain Chaos

Dravokivich wrote: »

Huh? My understanding is he has to be put back. What was he exhumed for?

He doesn't have to be put back, he has to be re buried anywhere or cremated within 48hrs of being exhumed.

osarusan

Dravokivich wrote: »

Huh? My understanding is he has to be put back. What was he exhumed for?

He has to be reburied (or cremated), but that will happen elsewhere, I imagine.

sullivlo

osarusan wrote: »

He has to be reburied (or cremated), but that will happen elsewhere, I imagine.

He's being transferred to the crematorium in Glasnevin.

livedadream

is there an examination taking place or his his body being moved?

Mr. CooL ICE

kfallon wrote: »

Might need to change the thread title tbh!

Done

Toots

Dravokivich wrote: »

Huh? My understanding is he has to be put back. What was he exhumed for?

Most likely to be buried elsewhere or cremated and have the ashes scattered or buried elsewhere. AFAIK it was the local priest who recommended the joint funeral and burial.

Zubeneschamali

livedadream wrote: »

is there an examination taking place or his his body being moved?

No sign of an examination, nor can I imagine any reason for one - the facts are well known.

I'd say this is just the family removing a murderer from the grave of his victims.

livedadream

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

livedadream wrote: »

is there an examination taking place or his his body being moved?

No sign of an examination, nor can I imagine any reason for one - the facts are well known.

I'd say this is just the family removing a murderer from the grave of his victims.

bit random that they did it in the first place then though...

Hrududu

livedadream wrote: »

bit random that they did it in the first place then though...

I think they might have been put under a bit of pressure from the priest to do it

livedadream

Hrududu wrote: »

livedadream wrote: »

bit random that they did it in the first place then though...

I think they might have been put under a bit of pressure from the priest to do it

oh okay. wasnt there stuff about the mother in law saying she has forgiven him and thats why they are buried together? that she wanted it? seems to have changed her mind i suppose...

murpho999

Was a stupid decision to bury them together in the first place.

Either way all the comments about 'rot in hell' and him being cowardly and disgusting actually show a complete misunderstanding of mental health issues which he clearly suffered from and no I'm not making excuses for him.

Parchment

Toots wrote: »

AFAIK it was the local priest who recommended the joint funeral and burial.

Typical.

kfallon

murpho999 wrote: »

Was a stupid decision to bury them together in the first place.

Either way all the comments about 'rot in hell' and him being cowardly and disgusting actually show a complete misunderstanding of mental health issues which he clearly suffered from and no I'm not making excuses for him.

Yes, yes you are!

livedadream

murpho999 wrote: »

Was a stupid decision to bury them together in the first place.

Either way all the comments about 'rot in hell' and him being cowardly and disgusting actually show a complete misunderstanding of mental health issues which he clearly suffered from and no I'm not making excuses for him.

to be fair i think it was pretty clearly outlined at the time that it wasnt mental health issues that he had,  it was that he was a wife beater who was about to be outted so to prevent the fall from grace killed him family. its a bit unfair on people who have actual health health issues to lump this guy in with them.

s4uv3

murpho999 wrote: »

Was a stupid decision to bury them together in the first place.

Either way all the comments about 'rot in hell' and him being cowardly and disgusting actually show a complete misunderstanding of mental health issues which he clearly suffered from and no I'm not making excuses for him.

Thousands upon thousands of people have mental health issues and manage to not murder their entire immediate family.

murpho999

kfallon wrote: »

Yes, yes you are!

No I'm not just don't think there's all this need for calling him scumbag etc, and reading comments on other fora for him to be thrown in the sea or dumped.

Just find that OTT.

Parchment

s4uv3 wrote: »

Thousands upon thousands of people have mental health issues and manage to not murder their entire immediate family.

I was just about to post this - using "mental health issues" as an excuse for this mans behaviour makes me sick. It taints all people who do have mental health issues and dont murder people. It attaches more stigma to something that is already riddled with it.

murpho999

livedadream wrote: »

to be fair i think it was pretty clearly outlined at the time that it wasnt mental health issues that he had,  it was that he was a wife beater who was about to be outted so to prevent the fall from grace killed him family. its a bit unfair on people who have actual health health issues to lump this guy in with them.

If that is true than it's entirely different of course.

livedadream

murpho999 wrote: »

kfallon wrote: »

Yes, yes you are!

No I'm not just don't think there's all this need for calling him scumbag etc, and reading comments on other fora for him to be thrown in the sea or dumped.  

Just find that OTT.

he was a controlling wife beater who rather than face the consequences of people finding out, murdered his wife and children in their beds. while having the peace of mind to leave  a number of notes and letters to people explaining his reasoning. he left a fecking note on the back door telling his wifes mam to call the gardai and not to come in. thats not someone whos in a bipolar or manic state or rage, thats a calculated cold blooded murderer.

mikeoneilly

murpho999 wrote: »

Was a stupid decision to bury them together in the first place.

Either way all the comments about 'rot in hell' and him being cowardly and disgusting actually show a complete misunderstanding of mental health issues which he clearly suffered from and no I'm not making excuses for him.

It's actually you who is naive

kfallon

murpho999 wrote: »

No I'm not just don't think there's all this need for calling him scumbag etc, and reading comments on other fora for him to be thrown in the sea or dumped.

Just find that OTT.

Yeah tbh scumbag is a bit much for a man who butchered his helpless wife & children alright :rolleyes:

eviltwin

Its the right decision to remove him. Hopefully it will make things easier for the family of Clodagh and the boys. As for him, I couldn't care less if they flush his ashes down the loo or shove them in a bin.

livedadream

mikeoneilly wrote: »

murpho999 wrote: »

Was a stupid decision to bury them together in the first place.

Either way all the comments about 'rot in hell' and him being cowardly and disgusting actually show a complete misunderstanding of mental health issues which he clearly suffered from and no I'm not making excuses for him.

It's actually you who is naive

thats a bit harsh its lack of information as opposed to naivety, some newspapers did say he had mental health issues but it was confirmed before the investigation was put on hold that there was no record of anything wrong with him. but existing injuries to his wife were found

sinny65

I'm glad they've exhumed his body, could never understand how they could bury him with his victims, it seemed cruel that even in death he was with them. Hopefully clodagh and her boys can finally rest in peace

murpho999

mikeoneilly wrote: »

It's actually you who is naive

I'm not naive, I like most people here, do not fully know the full circumstances despite what people think they know because they have read stuff on the internet so just don't get into over the top reactions.

Simple as that.

I believe it was a mistake to bury him with them at the time and the family were poorly advised as they have to tend to the graves etc so can understand now that it has been reversed.

kfallon

murpho999 wrote: »

I'm not naive, I like most people here, do not fully know the full circumstances despite what people think they know because they have read stuff on the internet so just don't get into over the top reactions.

No set of circumstances can absolve or justify a man from killing his own wife & children, especially as it was premeditated!

murpho999

kfallon wrote: »

No set of circumstances can absolve or justify a man from killing his own wife & children, especially as it was premeditated!

I am not justifying it. It's wrong under all circumstances.

murpho999

murpho999 wrote: »

I'm not naive, I like most people here, do not fully know the full circumstances despite what people think they know because they have read stuff on the internet so just don't get into over the top reactions.

Simple as that.

Dude, start digging up!

The Parish Priest.

I actually know someone who was Taught by that gimp almost 20 years ago, he used to tease certain boys, one boy he used to mock his accent and other boy he used to mock his weight. He uesd to put his legs up on his desk and he'd read the sun newspaper in clsss.

Omackeral

The Parish Priest. wrote: »

I actually know someone who was Taught by that gimp almost 20 years ago, he used to tease certain boys, one boy he used to mock his accent and other boy he used to mock his weight. He uesd to put his legs up on his desk and he'd read the sun newspaper in class.

The f*cking monster.

livedadream

The Parish Priest. wrote: »

I actually know someone who was Taught by that gimp almost 20 years ago, he used to tease certain boys, one boy he used to mock his accent and other boy he used to mock his weight. He uesd to put his legs up on his desk  and he'd read the sun newspaper in clsss.

true or not im sure he'd be delighted by that the sun are currently writing about him...

kfallon

The Parish Priest. wrote: »

I actually know someone who was Taught by that gimp almost 20 years ago, he used to tease certain boys, one boy he used to mock his accent and other boy he used to mock his weight. He uesd to put his legs up on his desk and he'd read the sun newspaper in clsss.

Sounds like a match made in hell!

ChikiChiki

Toots wrote: »

Most likely to be buried elsewhere or cremated and have the ashes scattered or buried elsewhere. AFAIK it was the local priest who recommended the joint funeral and burial.

Catholic Church stuck their oar in unneccesarily again at the time. Such utter bull**** talking about forgiveness in this instance.

January

murpho999 wrote: »

Was a stupid decision to bury them together in the first place.

Either way all the comments about 'rot in hell' and him being cowardly and disgusting actually show a complete misunderstanding of mental health issues which he clearly suffered from and no I'm not making excuses for him.

It came out pretty soon after the murders that it wasn't his mental health that lead him to murder his wife and children but that he was an abuser and murdered them because he was about to be exposed as the vile human being he actually was and not the 'pillar of society' everyone thought he was. It's a crying shame that he was even labelled as mentally unstable.

political analyst

Considering that the priest who said the funeral Mass was a friend of Hawe, wasn't it a conflict of interest for him to say the Mass? Shouldn't he have passed on the responsibility to another priest?

team_actimel

I wonder why it took so long to finally move his body?
Too long for poor Clodagh and her children to be buried beside their murderer.

GeorgeBailey

political analyst wrote: »

Considering that the priest who said the funeral Mass was a friend of Hawe, wasn't it a conflict of interest for him to say the Mass? Shouldn't he have passed on the responsibility to another priest?

He's not a judge or a lawyer. He's a priest. Quite often a priest who is a family friend will come in and say a funeral mass instead of the local priest. So, no.

robbiezero

January wrote: »

It came out pretty soon after the murders that it wasn't his mental health that lead him to murder his wife and children but that he was an abuser and murdered them because he was about to be exposed as the vile human being he actually was and not the 'pillar of society' everyone thought he was. It's a crying shame that he was even labelled as mentally unstable.

What was he doing to them? Who was going to out him?

Mutant z

The fact that this scumbag was even buried alongside his victims was a huge insult, thankfully now true justice will prevail.

livedadream

robbiezero wrote: »

January wrote: »

It came out pretty soon after the murders that it wasn't his mental health that lead him to murder his wife and children but that he was an abuser and murdered them because he was about to be exposed as the vile human being he actually was and not the 'pillar of society' everyone thought he was. It's a crying shame that he was even labelled as mentally unstable.

What was he doing to them? Who was going to out him?

did you read the post? he was abusing his wife and controlling the kids allegedly in regards to religion.
her family have asked for donations and more awareness be made of domestic violence and domestic issues other than just violence (things like controlling finances, access to own phones free time etc)

biZrb

Such a heartbreaking case. I do feel for Alans family (not anymore than I do for Clodagh's), I'm sure it must horrible knowing a family member was such a monster.