It goes from bad to worse for the Gardai

steddyeddy

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

This comment should be auto-posted to every thread like this, as it fundamentally spells out what's going on.

When you have an organisation that from the top down conspires to make peoples' lives a living hell for having the temerity to suggest that their own colleagues should behave themselves, you have a serious, serious, serious problem.

Thanks. It's true though. Are we to believe that a few bad apples are responsible for several scandals, cover ups and unprofessionalism?

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steddyeddy wrote: »

Thanks. It's true though. Are we to believe that a few bad apples are responsible for several scandals, cover ups and unprofessionalism?

It's beyond the 'few bad apples' excuse. It's a toxic and dysfunctional workplace, and that's down to it's management which is not just simply incompetent alone, but worse.

jmayo

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Ordinary Gardai can't do anything about the considerable rotten numbers in senior ranks and their lackies (how to you think they got promoted from the ranks in the first place ?).

If an ordinary Guard shows the slightest signs of knowing/acknowledging what goes on, as we've seen already, their lives are destroyed.

Actually there are probably so many rotten apples that the barrel has gone.
It might once have started out as a few rotten ones, but when you neglect to turf them out the whole lot job lot are affected.

Also if honest garda do see people getting away with this shyte then moral goes out the window.

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It's a bad state of affairs when citizens can't trust their own police force, it's like something in some tin pot country. I dread the day I ever have to ring them about any serious crime, god forbid I ever have to, I would be extremely reluctant to have any dealings with them. The cure might be worse than the disease.

I have dealt with them on a number of occasions both as victim of burglary and trying to help them with video coverage of neighbouring breakins.
They were find to deal with, if somewhat blaise and even apathetic that there wasn't much hope of catching the ones that did it.

I actually do feel sorry for them when you see they have to deal with a justice system that basically throws out their hard work in trying to bring criminals to justice.
Sometimes we wrongly lay the blame at the guards for people not being behind bars when it is our justice system that is basically setup to allow repeat offenders prosper and a judiciary that are so removed from actual reality it is past a joke.

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jmayo wrote: »

Sometimes we wrongly lay the blame at the guards for people not being behind bars when it is our justice system that is basically setup to allow repeat offenders prosper and a judiciary that are so removed from actual reality it is past a joke.

I think that's when the rot started years ago, Gardai released their was little point in trying catch scroates because the courts did so little about them. Some Gardai started to occupy themselves with other interests.

Also the Kinihans, to give just one example, were allowed to amass one the largest criminal enterprises in the world from Ireland, with billions worth of property and interests from Spain to Brazil. The Sunday times done some great work documenting the value of it all recently, I don't have a link, because I read it on old fashioned paper, but the scale of their worldwide assets, from resorts to mines to quarries, is mind blowing, and not being reported here at all.

Irish Guitarist

The guards, the Catholics, the 36 year olds and the people that give out motorbike licences have really ruined this country.

Auguste Comte

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

The guards, the Catholics, the 36 year olds and the people that give out motorbike licences have really ruined this country.

Is there anything to be said for saying another mass having another enquiry?

hatrickpatrick

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It's beyond the 'few bad apples' excuse. It's a toxic and dysfunctional workplace, and that's down to it's management which is not just simply incompetent alone, but worse.

Hanlon's Razor states that one should "never attribute to malice that which can be easily explained by stupidity" - it's safe enough to say that the utter cluster f*ck that is the Irish justice system can no longer be explained by stupidity alone, not even with the considerable mental gymnastics that the establishment and their eternal defenders are willing to put into that effort.

This developing wrongful surveillance scandal is extremely serious, and is almost guaranteed to reawaken the ghosts of the Garda station phone recordings scandal as well as the claims made in 2014 regarding the suspected bugging of the Garda Ombudsman. It displays a complete and total breakdown in the supposed system of checks and balances which this state relies upon to avoid abuses of power, and I think we've finally crossed the line (I believe we crossed it long ago, but now even from the establishment's point of view) beyond which going forward without an extensive and radical overhaul of the entire justice system - every underlying piece of legislation, every set of rules and protocols, every structure of hierarchal authority and every individual atop those hierarchies - is going to be totally impossible.

nice_guy80

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Hanlon's Razor states that one should "never attribute to malice that which can be easily explained by stupidity" - it's safe enough to say that the utter cluster f*ck that is the Irish justice system can no longer be explained by stupidity alone, not even with the considerable mental gymnastics that the establishment and their eternal defenders are willing to put into that effort.

This developing wrongful surveillance scandal is extremely serious, and is almost guaranteed to reawaken the ghosts of the Garda station phone recordings scandal as well as the claims made in 2014 regarding the suspected bugging of the Garda Ombudsman. It displays a complete and total breakdown in the supposed system of checks and balances which this state relies upon to avoid abuses of power, and I think we've finally crossed the line (I believe we crossed it long ago, but now even from the establishment's point of view) beyond which going forward without an extensive and radical overhaul of the entire justice system - every underlying piece of legislation, every set of rules and protocols, every structure of hierarchal authority and every individual atop those hierarchies - is going to be totally impossible.

I think you're a bit ambitious in thinking that all those rules and protocols are actually in place
They cannot be, for stuff that isn't meant to be happening!

Kivaro

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I dread the day I ever have to ring them about any serious crime, god forbid I ever have to, I would be extremely reluctant to have any dealings with them. The cure might be worse than the disease.

This is a big issue and it should be tackled with urgency if ever a competent Garda management/oversight structure is put into place.
It's like if we give them (the public) an attitude or negative experience dealing with us then they will stop contacting us. I've seen it and heard about it too often to think that these are isolated cases. This is also one of the reasons why crime statistics are not accurate in Ireland i.e. citizens not reporting crime to avoid Garda apathy.

I held off on getting a new passport for some time until it finally went online so that I wouldn't have to visit the local Garda station for a signature.
As a law abiding citizen, this is a sad state of affairs.

Please show us respect ............. and it will be reciprocated.

Green Peter

Kivaro wrote:

I held off on getting a new passport for some time until it finally went online so that I wouldn't have to visit the local Garda station for a signature. As a law abiding citizen, this is a sad state of affairs.

It's not! it's just stupidity!

lawred2

Kivaro wrote:

I held off on getting a new passport for some time until it finally went online so that I wouldn't have to visit the local Garda station for a signature. As a law abiding citizen, this is a sad state of affairs.

Since when did you not have to have your identity verified at the local police station?

We renewed passport for our youngest recently and had to go the Gardai in Malahide!!

Fred Swanson

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lawred2

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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how is identity verified?

e: sorry - I'm taking thread off topic. Apologies.

Kivaro

lawred2 wrote: »

how is identity verified?

e: sorry - I'm taking thread off topic. Apologies.

"The Passport Online Application is available to all Irish citizens who are over 18 years, have held an Irish Passport and have not changed their name from their previous passport."

From https://www.dfa.ie/passportonline/whocanapply/

It's amazing how easy the process is now; unfortunately it may not have applied to your youngest.

Mr.Micro

Kivaro wrote: »

This is a big issue and it should be tackled with urgency if ever a competent Garda management/oversight structure is put into place.
It's like if we give them (the public) an attitude or negative experience dealing with us then they will stop contacting us. I've seen it and heard about it too often to think that these are isolated cases. This is also one of the reasons why crime statistics are not accurate in Ireland i.e. citizens not reporting crime to avoid Garda apathy.

I held off on getting a new passport for some time until it finally went online so that I wouldn't have to visit the local Garda station for a signature.
As a law abiding citizen, this is a sad state of affairs.

Please show us respect ............. and it will be reciprocated.

Well said. The Government has neither the will or the bottle to deal with this. The police in Ireland need to be rebranded and cleaned up. The next Government, most likely FF, will do nothing either, as the rot set in when they were in charge in the past.

tayto lover

Mr.Micro wrote: »

Well said. The Government has neither the will or the bottle to deal with this. The police in Ireland need to be rebranded and cleaned up. The next Government, most likely FF, will do nothing either, as the rot set in when they were in charge in the past.

It's the political interference that is the cause of much of the trouble.
We have to stop the Govt appointing their own people to top positions in the Garda, Army, Judiciary etc.
I'm fed up saying this at this stage.

diomed

tayto lover wrote: »

We have to stop the Govt Commissioner appointing their her own people to top positions in the Garda, Army, Judiciary etc.
I'm fed up saying this at this stage.

Unsackable.
I think we will get a report that the Garda on the one hand something, and on the other hand something else, and we must do something about procedures, and is there anything to be said for another cup of tea.

Ulysses Gaze

diomed wrote: »

Unsackable.
I think we will get a report that the Garda on the one hand something, and on the other hand something else, and we must do something about procedures, and is there anything to be said for another cup of tea.

They'll circle the wagons, deny everything (i.e. it's only a minority) and hope it all blows over.

Unless several hundred thousand people went out and protested this, and turned it into an election issue, then nothing will change.

Even then, nothing would change. Probably.

Kivaro

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

They'll circle the wagons, deny everything (i.e. it's only a minority) and hope it all blows over.

Unless several hundred thousand people went out and protested this, and turned it into an election issue, then nothing will change.

Even then, nothing would change. Probably.

I think they might baton charge us .............. with a vengeance!

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Kivaro wrote: »

This is a big issue and it should be tackled with urgency if ever a competent Garda management/oversight structure is put into place.
It's like if we give them (the public) an attitude or negative experience dealing with us then they will stop contacting us. I've seen it and heard about it too often to think that these are isolated cases. This is also one of the reasons why crime statistics are not accurate in Ireland i.e. citizens not reporting crime to avoid Garda apathy.

I held off on getting a new passport for some time until it finally went online so that I wouldn't have to visit the local Garda station for a signature.
As a law abiding citizen, this is a sad state of affairs.

Please show us respect ............. and it will be reciprocated.

It seems the Gardai hierarchy are now more interested in investigating anyone who dares/has the stupidity to report anything to the authorities, rather than investigate any real criminals.

I know Ireland has never been perfect, what country is, but to see us with Police hierarchy that is now a dangerous, untouchable, uncontrollable, and untrustworthy law unto themselves, a hierarchy that see's honest citizens as an enemy and a threat, while criminals effectively do what they like, is a sad day indeed.

Ken.

Some new info coming out today. I've a feeling the indo has a lot more.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/innocent-people-wrongly-tapped-as-if-they-were-dealing-drugs-35719625.html

Thousands of Garda man hours were wasted tapping the phones of innocent people as part of investigations into crimes as serious as drug dealing, the Irish Independent can reveal.
Some of the taps were left active on the phones of innocent third parties for weeks - and were cancelled only when officers flagged their concern about their legitimacy.

It was further reported that an election worker for a serving politician is alleged to have had his mobile phone tapped by garda? - and the bugging stopped only when a detective raised concerns it was serving "political purposes".
The detective who challenged the activity feared garda? were acting for the benefit of the influential minister with or without his knowledge. He was transferred out of the force's intelligence department within two weeks of flagging his fears the force was being used for "political purposes".
Now with the issue set to be raised in the D?il, Social Protection Minister Leo Varadkar described this newspaper's revelations as issues of "great concern".
He said he expected T?naiste and Justice Minister Frances Fitzgerald to brief Cabinet on the matter, but added the matters date to before Fine Gael was in office.Circling the wagons already

Bolding and colour are mine. There is a lot more in the article but copywrite laws prohibit me from pasting any more.

My name is URL

an election worker for a serving politician is alleged to have had his mobile phone tapped

That's not new info but it could be the death knell in all of this.

It's not just corrupted but de-legitimizes our democracy. AGS needs to be aggressively reestablished like the RUC was

Few rotten apples my arse. Careful talking about it here on Boards though, where serving gardai are moderators.

tomwaterford

Barbie! wrote: »

Some new info coming out today. I've a feeling the indo has a lot more.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/innocent-people-wrongly-tapped-as-if-they-were-dealing-drugs-35719625.html

Thousands of Garda man hours were wasted tapping the phones of innocent people as part of investigations into crimes as serious as drug dealing, the Irish Independent can reveal.
Some of the taps were left active on the phones of innocent third parties for weeks - and were cancelled only when officers flagged their concern about their legitimacy.

It was further reported that an election worker for a serving politician is alleged to have had his mobile phone tapped by garda? - and the bugging stopped only when a detective raised concerns it was serving "political purposes".
The detective who challenged the activity feared garda? were acting for the benefit of the influential minister with or without his knowledge. He was transferred out of the force's intelligence department within two weeks of flagging his fears the force was being used for "political purposes".
Now with the issue set to be raised in the D?il, Social Protection Minister Leo Varadkar described this newspaper's revelations as issues of "great concern".
He said he expected T?naiste and Justice Minister Frances Fitzgerald to brief Cabinet on the matter, but added the matters date to before Fine Gael was in office.Circling the wagons already

Bolding and colour are mine. There is a lot more in the article but copywrite laws prohibit me from pasting any more.

There has been tribunals in this country for a lot less serious matters



But I don't think the political will is there for whatever reason from any of parties to tackle the gaurds over this

jmayo

My name is URL wrote: »

That's not new info but it could be the death knell in all of this.

It's not just corrupted but de-legitimizes our democracy. AGS needs to be aggressively reestablished like the RUC was

Few rotten apples my arse. Careful talking about it here on Boards though, where serving gardai are moderators.

One of the difficulties I see is the difference between RUC and AGS.
RUC was regional police force.
This is national police force which has it's tentacles stretching far and wide.

If they were bugging innocent people and, as the story above claims, were also bugging people involved in political circles, then as sure as hell they have dossiers on all major politicians and civil servants.

In the case of RUC it was easy for Westminister government and government officials to initiate and manage it's demise and creation of PSNI.
They were removed from the area.

I reckon it is a lot hard for Irish politicians and civil servants to do likewise with AGS.

After all it may not be dirt on an actual politician, but dirt on a number of colleagues that would bring a government down, dirt on a close relative that could ruin their career or even worse.

Something needs to be done, but do any of our politicians and civil servants have the balls and the willingness to take on the AGS.
Time will tell.

tayto lover

Barbie! wrote: »

Some new info coming out today. I've a feeling the indo has a lot more.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/innocent-people-wrongly-tapped-as-if-they-were-dealing-drugs-35719625.html

Thousands of Garda man hours were wasted tapping the phones of innocent people as part of investigations into crimes as serious as drug dealing, the Irish Independent can reveal.
Some of the taps were left active on the phones of innocent third parties for weeks - and were cancelled only when officers flagged their concern about their legitimacy.

It was further reported that an election worker for a serving politician is alleged to have had his mobile phone tapped by garda? - and the bugging stopped only when a detective raised concerns it was serving "political purposes".
The detective who challenged the activity feared garda? were acting for the benefit of the influential minister with or without his knowledge. He was transferred out of the force's intelligence department within two weeks of flagging his fears the force was being used for "political purposes".
Now with the issue set to be raised in the D?il, Social Protection Minister Leo Varadkar described this newspaper's revelations as issues of "great concern".
He said he expected T?naiste and Justice Minister Frances Fitzgerald to brief Cabinet on the matter, but added the matters date to before Fine Gael was in office.Circling the wagons already

Bolding and colour are mine. There is a lot more in the article but copywrite laws prohibit me from pasting any more.

The Garda is and has been used by politicians since the state began.
The only way to stop that is to permanently separate them. Politicians promote their own men to run the force and to do so the way the politicians want.

Civilian Boards should be running the force and also promoting senior Gards members on ability rather than who their families voted for and supported.

RustyNut

tomwaterford wrote: »

But I don't think the political will is there for whatever reason from any of parties to tackle the gaurds over this

Dodgy phone taps and god knows what other nefarious surveillance on politicians, their staff and families could very well have an effect on politicians willingness to grasp the garda corruption nettle.

tayto lover

RustyNut wrote: »

Dodgy phone taps and god knows what other nefarious surveillance on politicians, their staff and families could very well have an effect on politicians willingness to grasp the garda corruption nettle.

Particularly if they were pulling the strings themselves.

hatrickpatrick

In light of recent revelations, is there anybody who still believes that there was absolutely no credence behind the allegations of covert surveillance on GSOC under Martin Callinan's tenure - and the subsequent claims, backed up by the Cooke report, that the security experts from the UK who came here to investigate those allegations, were themselves subject to harassment and suspicious activity during their visit to Ireland?

Hector Bellend

will we ever be able to beat the story that we have to tell people that they are drunk in irish before they can be prosecuted from driving while pissed off their knockers.

Are Am Eye

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

In light of recent revelations, is there anybody who still believes that there was absolutely no credence behind the allegations of covert surveillance on GSOC under Martin Callinan's tenure - and the subsequent claims, backed up by the Cooke report, that the security experts from the UK who came here to investigate those allegations, were themselves subject to harassment and suspicious activity during their visit to Ireland?

It's only a few bread crumbs that have come out. A few blips where things became public. The bulk of the iceberg is intact and hidden.

Do people think that the only phone tapping, internet monitoring, surveillance and monitoring is the sum of what's in the media. Where you have an agency with no constraints, no safeguards, completely immune from censure or accountability and they have the power to pry on anyone, intimidate anyone or conduct nefarious counter measures against any 'problem' then they will inevitably, if they weren't there in the first place, go way off the reservation. Where clearly any AGS member not directly involved will keep schtum. Omerta. The expression 'circling the wagons' is now ubiquitous in every discourse concerning them. Two separate Tribunals, Morris and Smithwick, identified their intrinsically corrupt culture.

Not that she's going anywhere anyway, but people need to understand that the removal of N O Sullivan in and of itself is pointless. One of her corrupt clique will step into position. They won't miss a beat. A sterile group/individual must be brought in from the outside with authority above this failed, unscrupulous and compromised management structure. Then, and only then can the slow process of guiding our police force back into the compass of honor, integrity and honesty.

RustyNut

What are the rules in relation to AGS recording someone's phone?

Can the Guard's tap someone's phone on the word of a member of AGS or do they need to show a reason for the tap and apply to a judge for a warrant?

What about breaking into someone's home to plant a microphone or camera?

What independent over site is there to protect the public from abuse of the system?


Or do AGS just tap or bug who they like and look for approval retrospectively?

Muahahaha

RustyNut wrote: »

What are the rules in relation to AGS recording someone's phone?

Can the Guard's tap someone's phone on the word of a member of AGS or do they need to show a reason for the tap and apply to a judge for a warrant?

What about breaking into someone's home to plant a microphone or camera?

What independent over site is there to protect the public from abuse of the system?


Or do AGS just tap or bug who they like and look for approval retrospectively?

They have to get a warrant from Judge ONeill. But that hasnt stopped them telling the judge a pack of lies in order to do so.
https://www.digitalrights.ie/garda-who-abused-phone-records-to-spy-on-ex-will-not-be-prosecuted-will-keep-job/


So there you go. Gardai can break the law to tap the phones of pretty much anyone they want and when they get caught they dont get demoted, fired or prosecuted. Just shifted side ways into another position of trust.

Muahahaha

Muahahaha wrote: »

They have to get a warrant from Judge ONeill. But that hasnt stopped them telling the judge a pack of lies in order to do so.
https://www.digitalrights.ie/garda-who-abused-phone-records-to-spy-on-ex-will-not-be-prosecuted-will-keep-job/


So there you go. Gardai can break the law to tap the phones of pretty much anyone they want and when they get caught they dont get demoted, fired or prosecuted. Just shifted side ways into another position of trust.

I'll point out AGAIN, this d/sergeant has been suspended for years.
So go on pushing lies, but obviously Garda management has dealt with members breaking the law.

Fred Swanson

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nice_guy80

bubblypop wrote: »

I'll point out AGAIN, this d/sergeant has been suspended for years.
So go on pushing lies, but obviously Garda management has dealt with members breaking the law.

suspended on full pay?

nice_guy80

nice_guy80 wrote: »

suspended on full pay?

I have no idea.
But innocent until proven guilty, right?

Fred Swanson

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Ken.

Muahahaha wrote: »

They have to get a warrant from Judge ONeill. But that hasnt stopped them telling the judge a pack of lies in order to do so.
https://www.digitalrights.ie/garda-who-abused-phone-records-to-spy-on-ex-will-not-be-prosecuted-will-keep-job/


So there you go. Gardai can break the law to tap the phones of pretty much anyone they want and when they get caught they dont get demoted, fired or prosecuted. Just shifted side ways into another position of trust.

Sorry Muahahaha, Due to Ireland's copyright laws you cannot quote an entire article like that. You can post some of it. Again sorry to butcher your post like that.

Muahahaha

bubblypop wrote: »

I'll point out AGAIN, this d/sergeant has been suspended for years.

nah, more spin from you bubblypop as usual. John Mooney in the Sunday Times reported that in 2011 having being caught phone tapping her ex boyfriend she was not demoted, sacked nor prosecuted.

Instead she was moved sideways to the Special Branch. Despite her already proving herself to be a dishonest Garda she was placed in yet another position of trust. Then in 2013 she did this
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/garda-spy-agent-faces-quiz-on-abusive-emails-b79hwprcvtg

November 24 2013
A FEMALE garda who used the state’s spying apparatus to access a former boyfriend’s phone records is now the focus of a criminal investigation into the alleged intimidation of an official at the director of public prosecution’s (DPP) office.

Eve Doherty, a former intelligence officer with Crime and Security, the garda’s secret spying agency, was questioned last month by detectives in connection with abusive emails sent from internet cafes in Dublin. The sender wore disguises, including wigs and glasses, to conceal their identity and used an array of locations and email addresses to send the correspondence.

So go on pushing lies, but obviously Garda management has dealt with members breaking the law.

So youll be able to show us links to how Garda management prosecuted her for illegally tapping the phone of a citizen?

Nah I didnt think so. As usual one law for the Gardai, another for everyone else. What a rotten and corrupt organisation it is. Always amazes me that people will even try to defend it after all these scandals. Then again some posters on here have skin in the game, as it were.

diomed

I'm shocked. The usual thing is to be moved sideways, then promoted.

Muahahaha

Muahahaha wrote: »

nah, more spin from you bubblypop as usual. John Mooney in the Sunday Times reported that in 2011 having being caught phone tapping her ex boyfriend she was not demoted, sacked nor prosecuted.

Instead she was moved sideways to the Special Branch. Despite her already proving herself to be a dishonest Garda she was placed in yet another position of trust. Then in 2013 she did this
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/garda-spy-agent-faces-quiz-on-abusive-emails-b79hwprcvtg




So youll be able to show us links to how Garda management prosecuted her for illegally tapping the phone of a citizen?

Nah I didnt think so. As usual one law for the Gardai, another for everyone else. What a rotten and corrupt organisation it is. Always amazes me that people will even try to defend it after all these scandals. Then again some posters on here have skin in the game, as it were.

The person in question is currently suspended from duty, for the last I don't know how many years.
There is an ongoing Investigation into this so obviously no-one can comment. But maybe people could give Gardai the same respect that they give civilians when it comes to criminal investigations?
Allow due justice to do its job, & allow Gardai the same innocent until proven guilty as the general public.

Fred Swanson

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Cee-Jay-Cee

please helpThank YOU wrote: »

Just talking to my Grandmother who is 87 years old about the Gardai and she said to me there like the Organization of the Nazi party in 1933 Hitlers Youth that is my Grandmother opinion.

Did your grandmother grow up in Nazi Germany???

Are Am Eye

bubblypop wrote: »

I'll point out AGAIN, this d/sergeant has been suspended for years.
So go on pushing lies, but obviously Garda management has dealt with members breaking the law.

You completely miss the point.

Members in this section could bug anyone's telephone line.

With Impunity.

No checks. No balances.

On this one occasion the culprit effectively told the victim what she was doing. That is the single only reason it came to light.
Nothing to do with the guards.
She is not suspended because of the guards.
They would happily let her bug everyone's phone in the country.
Only she told the victim what she was doing. That is the only reason it was caught out.

Can you imagine the scale of illegal taps that goes on in there all the time.
Because outside of this jilted / love sick girl situation in everyday circumstances AGS members are not going to phone up politicians, whistleblowers, alleged criminals or any perceived opponents of AGS and tell them that they are bugging their phones. If they don't tell them they won't know. There is no internal oversight. There is a complete black hole in ethics. It was an abberation for a member to carelessly reveal the tap to the mark. This wouldn't happen in all other illegal taps.

And since there is manifestly no checks or balances, no ethical standards and no institutional integrity then one can logically conclude that they can and will act with complete impunity and phone lines are tapped on a large scale.

Curly Judge

bubblypop wrote: »

The person in question is currently suspended from duty, for the last I don't know how many years.
There is an ongoing Investigation into this so obviously no-one can comment. But maybe people could give Gardai the same respect that they give civilians when it comes to criminal investigations?
Allow due justice to do its job, & allow Gardai the same innocent until proven guilty as the general public.

This has been going on since 2013, and before.
Either it is the most complex investigation in the history of malfeasance or we have the slowest cops in the known universe?
How much more time do you want to give them?

Curly Judge

Curly Judge wrote: »

This has been going on since 2013, and before.
Either it is the most complex investigation in the history of malfeasance or we have the slowest cops in the known universe?
How much more time do you want to give them?

Exactly.
How do you think the gardai that have been suspended, their careers stopped, possibly forever, not knowing what is happening to themselves feel?
These Investigations seem to go on way longer than criminal investigations, so why the hold up?
Do Gardai not deserve the same legal & justice system as the rest of the public?

Beyondgone

nice_guy80 wrote: »

suspended on full pay?

Must be a bummer. Get paid but don't go in. Harsh.

Wish someone would suspend me on full pay. I'd suffer it -it'd be tough, but I'm a trouper.

Curly Judge

bubblypop wrote: »

Exactly.
How do you think the gardai that have been suspended, their careers stopped, possibly forever, not knowing what is happening to themselves feel?
These Investigations seem to go on way longer than criminal investigations, so why the hold up?
Do Gardai not deserve the same legal & justice system as the rest of the public?

I'll bet a pound to a pinch of goatshyte that it's the plaintiff and her union who are holding up proceedings.
Whats not to like about being suspended on full pay....especially when you know the alternative is the dole.

Curly Judge

Curly Judge wrote: »

I'll bet a pound to a pinch of goatshyte that it's the plaintiff and her union who are holding up proceedings.
Whats not to like about being suspended on full pay....especially when you know the alternative is the dole.

How would you feel if you were accused of something, & the investigation means that you are suspended from your job, with no way to clear your name until an investigation is complete?
Put that with an investigation that seems to take years & years, with everyone around you presuming you are guilty of something.
That's hardly fair. It's not fair for ordinary folk, why would it be fair for Gardai?
If anything, they are under more scrutiny, & they are assumed by the public to be guilty, surely they deserve timely Investigations?

Are Am Eye

bubblypop wrote: »

How would you feel if you were accused of something, & the investigation means that you are suspended from your job, with no way to clear your name until an investigation is complete?
Put that with an investigation that seems to take years & years, with everyone around you presuming you are guilty of something.
That's hardly fair. It's not fair for ordinary folk, why would it be fair for Gardai?
If anything, they are under more scrutiny, & they are assumed by the public to be guilty, surely they deserve timely Investigations?

Are you talking about the Garda Disciplinary investigation?